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    Inbound Extra Solar System Object?

    All: Augusto Perez on Haggman & Haggman re:
    Inbound xtra solar system object ( not Planet "X").

    Pickup at 76:33
    Link: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cfp-rad...ann-report.mp3

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    Not really suitable for the Main.

    Given the subject matter and the unreliable source I moved the thread here.
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    Red Baron: understood. Haven't visited this category but
    appropriate. As for credibility? Each of us must discern these
    matters. Agree w/ moving it

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    The link in the OP appears to lead to a two hour audio program.

    Does anyone here care to give us a synopsis? In other words, is this just another waste of two hours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarmerJohn View Post
    The link in the OP appears to lead to a two hour audio program.

    Does anyone here care to give us a synopsis? In other words, is this just another waste of two hours?

    I was wondering the same thing, does it end with "planet x" as the inbound object?

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    Interpretation of contemporary "events" such as earthchanges,
    continental US military movements, DHS spending, John Moore's
    latest "insider info", and potential celestial events.

    Pickup at 76 min & determine if makes sense. Told from a
    "Christian " perspective.

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    Ok how bout a little more detail for us dialup folks who can't listen to stuff like this? Please?
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    Augusto cites "validity" of inbound celestial object with it's
    leading entourage of meteors, asteroids, planet sized objects
    affecting geomagnetic, and electrical effect on our sun, moon,
    and earth changes. Seems to corroborate John Moore's
    (YouTube August 2012) statements about potential for military
    and civilian evacuations from coastal areas. Kind of in the
    genre of Planet X discussions. Not sure what to make of this
    but something's up. Psyop? Fact? Perez does cite connections to
    higher up officials in NASA where he says Nubiru or the entourage
    is quite the topic of discussion.

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    The Amateur Astronomy Community, which is huge, would be jumping up and down if this were real....

    Just sayin'.
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    Yup, agreed but Augusto and John Moore say it's visible in
    infrared spectrum and coming from Southern hemisphere.
    Supposedly been visible from Antarctica with South Pole
    Telescope.

    My sense is that John Moore is not given to exaggeration but
    I recognize we all need hard fact and not deception.

    Has this "stuff" been discussed on TB2K? If true, could
    explain a lot.
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    The amateur astronomy community has people with access TO infrared sensor systems...


    And in the recent past I gotta question your comment on Moore and exageration...

    Something about his contention that Norfolk Naval Base and a couple other shore bases are being "quietly" evacuated to "higher ground".....

    Neighbors of most of the bases referred to have indicated that if ther eIS any kind of evac it is TRULY stealth, in that it doesn't show to them.
    I would STILL rather fight an insurgency (from EITHER SIDE) than an epidemic!

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    Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain"

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    Quote Originally Posted by JF&P View Post
    The Amateur Astronomy Community, which is huge, would be jumping up and down if this were real....

    Just sayin'.


    Yep and the Amateur sector there is a large array of equipment and much Astro-graph work being done and a few would have spotted it by now.

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    We're on an island 17 miles offshore of WA State hence our interest.
    Per Moore if earth's axis changes radically, there's a 500 '
    bulge of seawater at earth's equatorial regions that could collapse
    and inundate coastal areas for a time. Not sure what to think
    about this stuff so posting for discussion in case others have
    more definitive info. Maximum elevation on our island
    is 982 ft above sea level.

    Surely if these accounts had merit, we would be hearing of
    evacs from Everett, Bremerton, McCord AFB and Ft Lewis
    as they are not 300 ft above sea level.

    Just seeking feedback. No firm conclusions drawn.
    Yet.

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    I believe that a astronomer at the Brazilian national observatory has spotted such an object. It is showing in the infared spectrum. It is located in the southern hemispere.

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    Is it possible that Moore just wants to sell books and other things, also, does he have a degree in astronomy or physics???
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrBulldog View Post
    I believe that a astronomer at the Brazilian national observatory has spotted such an object. It is showing in the infared spectrum. It is located in the southern hemispere.
    "The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro, who presented his computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge recently.

    Astronomers who attended the talk found Gomes' arguments compelling, but said much more evidence is needed before the hypothetical planet can be said as real, LiveScience reported."

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/h...w/13567718.cms

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrBulldog View Post
    It is showing in the infared spectrum. It is located in the southern hemisphere.
    In short...NO ONE has seen this hypothetical object in the infrared or otherwise....its a theory and that's all.
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    Its the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy Remnants. Ive posted about it a couple times. And an artists drawing using info from 2MASS shows its coming from the south.


    http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~mfs4n/sgr/

    NEW MAP OF THE MILKY WAY SHOWS OUR GALAXY TO BE A CANNIBAL
    Study Shows the Milky Way is Out to Lunch

    Chicken Little was right. The sky is falling.

    Thousands of stars stripped from the nearby Sagittarius dwarf galaxy are streaming through our vicinity of the Milky Way galaxy, according to a new view of the local universe constructed by a team of astronomers from the University of Virginia and the University of Massachusetts.

    Using volumes of data from the Two-Micron All Sky Survey (2MASS), a major project to survey the sky in infrared light led by the University of Massachusetts, the astronomers are answering questions that have baffled scientists for decades and proving that our own Milky Way is consuming one of its neighbors in a dramatic display of ongoing galactic cannibalism. The study, to be published in the Dec. 20 issue of the Astrophysical Journal, is the first to map the full extent of the Sagittarius galaxy and show in visually vivid detail how its debris wraps around and passes through our Milky Way. Sagittarius is 10,000 times smaller in mass than the Milky Way, so it is getting stretched out, torn apart and gobbled up by the bigger Milky Way.

    "It's clear who's the bully in the interaction," said Steven Majewski, U.Va. professor of astronomy and lead author on the paper describing the results.

    In model images made to show the interaction in 3-D, available at http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~mfs4n/sgr/, the Milky Way appears as a flattened disk with spiral arms, while Sagittarius is visible as a long flourish of stars swirling first under and then over and onto the Milky Way disk.

    "If people had infrared-sensitive eyes, the entrails of Sagittarius would be a prominent fixture sweeping across our sky," Majewski said. "But at human, visual wavelengths, they become buried among countless intervening stars and obscuring dust. The great expanse of the Sagittarius system has been hidden from view."

    Not any more. By using infrared maps, the astronomers filtered away millions of foreground stars to focus on a type of star called an M giant. These large, infrared-bright stars are populous in the Sagittarius galaxy but uncommon in the outer Milky Way. The 2MASS infrared map of M giant stars analyzed by Majewski and collaborators is the first to give a complete view of our galaxy's meal of Sagittarius stars, now wrapping like a spaghetti noodle around the Milky Way. Prior to this work, astronomers had detected only a few scattered pieces of the disrupted Sagittarius dwarf. Even the existence of Sagittarius was unknown until the heart of this nearest satellite galaxy of the Milky Way was discovered by a British team of astronomers in 1994.

    "We sifted several thousand interesting stars from a catalog of half a billion," said co-author Michael Skrutskie, U.Va. professor of astronomy and principal investigator for the 2MASS project. "By tuning our maps of the sky to the 'right' kind of star, the Sagittarius system jumped into view."

    "This first full-sky map of Sagittarius shows its extensive interaction with the Milky Way," Majewski said. "Both stars and star clusters now in the outer parts of the Milky Way have been 'stolen' from Sagittarius as the gravitational forces of the Milky Way nibbled away at its dwarf companion. This one vivid example shows that the Milky Way grows by eating its smaller neighbors."

    "Astronomers used to view galaxy formation as an event that happened in the distant past," noted David Spergel, a professor of astrophysics at Princeton University after viewing the new finding. "These observations reinforce the idea that galaxy formation is not an event, but an ongoing process."

    The study's map of M giants depicts 2 billion years of Sagittarius stripping by the Milky Way, and suggests that Sagittarius has reached a critical phase in what had been a slow dance of death.

    "After slow, continuous gnawing by the Milky Way, Sagittarius has been whittled down to the point that it cannot hold itself together much longer," said 2MASS Science Team member and study co-author Martin Weinberg of the University of Massachusetts. "We are seeing Sagittarius at the very end of its life as an intact system."

    Does this mean we are at a unique moment in the life of our galaxy? Yes and no.

    "Whenever possible, astronomers appeal to the principle that we are not at a special time or place in the universe," Majewski said. "Because over the 14 billion-year history of the Milky Way it is unlikely that we would just happen to catch a brief event like the death of Sagittarius, we infer that such events must be common in the life of big spiral galaxies like our own. The Milky Way probably dined on a number of dwarf galaxy snacks in the past."

    On the other hand, Majewski and his colleagues have been surprised by the Earth's proximity to a portion of the Sagittarius debris.

    "For only a few percent of its 240 million-year orbit around the Milky Way galaxy does our Solar System pass through the path of Sagittarius debris," Majewski said. "Remarkably, stars from Sagittarius are now raining down onto our present position in the Milky Way. Stars from an alien galaxy are relatively near us. We have to re-think our assumptions about the Milky Way galaxy to account for this contamination."

    The new findings will help astronomers measure the total mass of the Milky Way and Sagittarius galaxies, and probe the quantity and distribution of the invisible dark matter in these systems.

    "The shape of the Sagittarius debris trail shows us that the Milky Way's unseen dark matter is in a spherical distribution, a result that is quite unexpected," Weinberg said.

    "The observations provide new insights into the nature of the mysterious dark matter," said Princeton's Spergel. "Either our galaxy is unusual or the dark matter has richer properties than postulated by conventional models."

    2MASS was a joint project of the University of Massachusetts and the Infrared Processing and Analysis Center/California Institute of Technology. The National Aeronautics and Space Administration, and the National Science Foundation funded the project. Additional funding for the Sagittarius study with 2MASS came from the David and Lucile Packard Foundation and the Research Corporation.

    High-resolution color images of the Milky Way's interaction with Sagittarius are available at http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~mfs4n/s

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    On the other hand, Majewski and his colleagues have been surprised by the Earth's proximity to a portion of the Sagittarius debris.

    "For only a few percent of its 240 million-year orbit around the Milky Way galaxy does our Solar System pass through the path of Sagittarius debris," Majewski said. "Remarkably, stars from Sagittarius are now raining down onto our present position in the Milky Way. Stars from an alien galaxy are relatively near us. We have to re-think our assumptions about the Milky Way galaxy to account for this contamination."



    Personally im not to worried about getting hit by anything huge because of the space between the stars.

    Ive always wondered about the garbage its pushing ahead of it and the gravitational effect of it as a whole unit.

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    LouKy: terrific post, links, and explanation. Thanks.
    Used to live in Roanoke a couple hrs South of UVA.
    Exceptional university that Thomas Jefferson started.
    Absolute "brain trust" there. Got my homework assignment
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    JF&P too, healthy skepticism, hear ya. Sure, it's possible
    fear porn leading to Moore' book sales. Moore's not jumping
    on the dates or pronouncing as definitive fact. His daughter
    lives in the Seattle area and he's holding off advising evac per
    his August 14 show.

    Moore strikes me as a level head with contacts. Truth can
    be stranger than fiction.

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    Your welcome.

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    Is this the same group claiming tomorrow is the incoming date and Sept 26 the outbound date for this HMO (heavy mass object)?
    This story has been making the rounds for the last couple of weeks.

    It is said that the meteor/cometary etc activity is approaching a 5x over the last 10 to 14 years... something like that. So the curve is going parabolic like most every other mathematical analysis on our planet, be it 'earth changes' like the number of volcanoes turning on (75% are said to be underwater thus unseen usually, though the recent ongoing activity in the Canary Islands points to a change in that direction), EQs, lightning strikes, temps above/below norms etc.

    Esoterically speaking, the mention of our 'dark star'/companion or binary star has been talked about at least since the late 50s. It is said to have already passed through the Oort CLoud some time ago and comes in on its regular orbit (28million years) before the regular orbit of the comet cluster that follows it this time (3600 yr orbital period).... that is said to be our 'Nibiru', not sure on Planet X, as that could be this brown dwarf/dark star approaching in its regular orbit... which in the geologic records, check Wiki, align to the planetary 'species extinction event' cycle. The comet cluster brings diseases, plagues etc.. just as mentioned in the Bible.

    So, all of these converging cycles include the solar changes that affect us and the other planets together. Timing is the concern with these reports, same as the Mayan calender end-count in 2012 or near there, as the so-called experts can't agree, even as the mainstream media seem to think they have. The main event of these convergences is said to be this comet cluster from the Southern hemisphere in 2014 as our dimensional border is reached at the same time... so it is said. This 'wave' or transition to 4d space/time is what that endcount is all about, as the cataclysmic activity before, during and after on the 3d level will be categorized as an eventual species extinction event... usually taking 2 to 3 centuries to complete... if the Neanderthal event sequence is any guide.

    The Mayans usually utilized a holiday period to compensate for the tilt/wobble factor... leap year etc, so if a similar holiday was factored into this endcount, it would probably be a few years either way, so IMO, we are already at that mark awaiting the main event as the comet cluster approaches, and not these strays kicked ahead of our binary star as it makes its way inbound near the inner planets... it is said that it approaches like Pluto, so the outer planets, if their orbital position is close when it passes, should definitely feel the affect... the inner planets much less so initially, until the whole clockwork gets reset after the brown dwarf passes by and the planets reset.... calm moves in after the chaos and then the main event occurs.

    THis all aligns with the same pattern found in our so-called civilization, as the entire system is set to fall... same parabolic curve in motion... economies, wars, weather patterns, sun activity etc are all showing the same disturbing trend. As always, the question is when... we know there are inbound objects... as well as this brown dwarf that won't show up on the telescopes until it gets lit up like a comet.. or so I think, I really don't know, but it does seem that all these recent reports are jumping the gun. It does seem that even the amateurs would pick it up before it gets too far past the Kuiper Belt, and just like in the films from Hollywood, the public won't be told until the last moment... best way to scare the hell out of them. As for the Govt, those circles refer to this as the 6th extinction, and are busy sending ever more infrared scopes for a better look, heads-up etc, not to mention all those underground facilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger View Post
    LouKy: terrific post, links, and explanation. Thanks.
    Used to live in Roanoke a couple hrs South of UVA.
    Exceptional university that Thomas Jefferson started.
    Absolute "brain trust" there. Got my homework assignment
    :-)
    JF&P too, healthy skepticism, hear ya. Sure, it's possible
    fear porn leading to Moore' book sales. Moore's not jumping
    on the dates or pronouncing as definitive fact. His daughter
    lives in the Seattle area and he's holding off advising evac per
    his August 14 show.

    Moore strikes me as a level head with contacts. Truth can
    be stranger than fiction.

    Ranger
    Moore doesn't have a book to sell. So that part is out. He also said he told his daughter to plan on bugging out to his place in the Ozarks in November.
    I listened to his show also.
    He has repeatedly said that altho his sources are good, he is not positive. But, there are so many other things/reasons to prep, that he continues to try to help people with the "what you should have in your preps" part. And I doubt anyone can deny we are in deep doom here just when you count in the economy/banks failing/dollar crashing or WWlll possible on our doorstep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LouKy View Post
    [COLOR="blue"]On the other hand, Majewski and his colleagues have been surprised by the Earth's proximity to a portion of the Sagittarius debris.
    I made several comments a year or so back stating that we were closer to the debris cloud than most realized and got my head handed to me on a plate for having said so... guess I wasn't so off base after all! Some of that unexplainable dark matter, etc., at the edge of our solar system is most probably from Sagittarius. Oh and in case no one has pointed this out yet there are a couple of galaxies called sagittarius with differing numbers at the end. Also the one in the above story is a satellite galaxy of the Milkyway, the Milkyway has several satellite galaxies orbiting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarmerJohn View Post
    The link in the OP appears to lead to a two hour audio program. Does anyone here care to give us a synopsis? In other words, is this just another waste of two hours?
    It is absolutely not a waste of time to listen. I'll be listening to it a 2nd time.

    Perez covers so much ground its hard to summarize:

    invasion of the US
    the crystal skulls
    many details about nibiru
    the rapture

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevelator View Post
    It is absolutely not a waste of time to listen. I'll be listening to it a 2nd time.
    I'll 2nd this; and I'll listen a second time too

  26. Quote Originally Posted by JF&P View Post
    The Amateur Astronomy Community, which is huge, would be jumping up and down if this were real....

    Just sayin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post
    Yep and the Amateur sector there is a large array of equipment and much Astro-graph work being done and a few would have spotted it by now.
    would that be the same crowd and equipment that consistently miss the near-miss asteroids that they see only after they just miss the Earth?
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    What's with this? Fake? Real?

    Link: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gyDY_xI2p8c

    Antarctica.

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    To correct myself, as I don't like making mistakes... from Laura Knight-Jadczyk's "High Strangeness" pg 326, fair use:
    There is also evidence that our Sun does indeed have a companion. A possible explanation for the 75 year solar minimum in the 17th century that has come to be known as the Maunder Minimum, and which has perplexed scientists ever since, is that it was the moment of the passage of the dark companion through the Oort Cloud, that is, its closest approach to the Sun. The gravitational effect of this close passage was to dampen solar activity, creating the 75 year solar minimum. Other disturbances in the orbits of the planets can be explained by the existence of such an object.
    Not sure if I understand it compared to those sessions with the C's, her source... as if it is the closet approach, why would we then see it as they also said? And after it leaves, everyone goes back to the usual routine, and then the comet cloud/cluster arrives. Seems she and her team are still working on this one. Her C's said it follows a orbit like Pluto, only its near 28 million years and has already passed through the Oort Cloud on its way in... so it would seem that it the 'closest approach' is yet to occur, right? As it makes it way back out afterwards... then the comets et al. Hmm. Would seem to imply another 75 year solar minimum or longer, but no one will care by then anyway.

    Getting a better picture of it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger View Post
    What's with this? Fake? Real?
    Ranger
    The two sun phenomena in pics are usually said to be due to the atmospheric changes.. I'd have to look up the explanation again, but not another object.
    A: There are no limits, just controls... knowledge gives one all the necessary tools to overcome the controls...Q: Is there a way for us to break the control mechanism? Besides moving to 4th density? A: Nope. Laura Knight-Jadczyk's book "Wave" or "Secret History of the World" http://www.qfgpublishing.com/ or http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/site_map_qfg.htm

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    gdpetti, yeah I was thinking atmospheric distortions
    lens refraction, horizon anomaly given low latitude.
    thanks

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    Having serious doubts about John Moore's Aug 16 show
    on YouTube. First part about "Russian" troops crossing from
    Canada to the US. Then like magic, Moore drops the whole
    discussion of "invasion" and out of context devotes the remainder
    of this show to some sort of frequency machine to treat pain.
    Shit! Moore's "show" was extremely dissapointing and he
    came off as a "soap salesman"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger View Post
    Having serious doubts about John Moore's Aug 16 show
    on YouTube. First part about "Russian" troops crossing from
    Canada to the US. Then like magic, Moore drops the whole
    discussion of "invasion" and out of context devotes the remainder
    of this show to some sort of frequency machine to treat pain.
    Shit! Moore's "show" was extremely dissapointing and he
    came off as a "soap salesman"!

    Ranger
    ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh take it easy on him Ranger it can't be easy to be a charlatan in this economic enviroment, I'm sure his sales are down just like everyone else's.

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    Listening to him this morning on live radio.

    http://216.240.133.177:2007/

    Just click on the link above to listen till 9 am eastern time.

    Thursdays he always has the energy cleaner guy on his show so that is normal. Fridays he has a woman on that talks about earth changes and things. So, maybe he will do updates this morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FarmerJohn View Post
    The link in the OP appears to lead to a two hour audio program. Does anyone here care to give us a synopsis? In other words, is this just another waste of two hours?
    you can open link in new tab and listen as background while still gleaning this forum. (That is what i am doing.) http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/sho...ow_3501119.mp3

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    I made several comments a year or so back stating that we were closer to the debris cloud than most realized and got my head handed to me on a plate for having said so.
    You still have your head it seems. They tried to hand me my head a few years ago when i said the sun started to shine on the north side of one of the bldgs. i work on. It never did that in any season until a few years ago. Anyway, thats old news and im backed up by engineers and architects that noticed it to. They built the things. If the naysayers are waiting for a scientific journal from us on the subject, it isn't going to happen, not from us. You were right, take their heads. lol

    Back on the subject. Is there a planet with a 3600 year orbit? Its easily possible. The name planet x sells more books in my opinion than the name nibiru would. There are many rouge planets out there drifting all over the place. Planets are being discovered on the average of one per week. Eris has a 576 year orbit. Pluto's orbit is about 20 degrees off our orbital plane. Mercury's future is it will be eaten by the sun or ejected from the solar system.
    Here is a question ive been think about for some time. Every galaxy discovered has a black hole at its core. The Sag. core is about all thats left and is heading from the south. Where is Sag.'s black hole?

    http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0304198

    A 2MASS All-Sky View of the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy: I. Morphology of the Sagittarius Core and Tidal Arms
    Authors: Steven R. Majewski (1), M. F. Skrutskie (1), Martin D. Weinberg (2), James C. Ostheimer (1) ((1) University of Virginia, (2) University of Massachusetts)
    (Submitted on 10 Apr 2003 (v1), last revised 28 Aug 2003 (this version, v2))

    Abstract: We present the first all-sky view of the Sagittarius (Sgr) dwarf galaxy mapped by M giant star tracers detected in the complete Two Micron All-Sky Survey (2MASS). The main body is fit with a King profile of 30 deg limiting radius, but with a break in the density profile from stars in tidal tails. We argue that much of the observed structure beyond the 224' core radius may be unbound as the satellite undergoes catastrophic disruption. A striking, >150 deg trailing tidal tail extends from the Sgr center and arcs across the South Galactic Hemisphere. A prominent leading debris arm extends from the Sgr center northward of the Galactic plane to an ~40 kpc apoGalacticon, loops towards the North Galactic Cap (NGC) and descends back towards the Galactic plane, foreshortened and covering the NGC. The Sgr tails lie along a well-defined orbital plane that shows little precession, which supports the notion of a nearly spherical Galactic potential. The Sun lies near the path of leading Sgr debris; thus, former Sgr stars may be near or in the solar neighborhood. The number of M giants in the Sgr tails is >15% that within the King limiting radius of the Sgr center. That several gigayear old M giants are so widespread along the Sgr tidal arms not only places limits on the dynamical age of these arms but poses a timing problem that bears on the recent binding energy of the Sgr core and that is naturally explained by recent and catastrophic mass loss. Sgr appears to contribute >75% of the high latitude, halo M giants; no evidence for M giant tidal debris from the Magellanic Clouds is found. Generally good correspondence is found between the M giant, all-sky map of the Sgr system and all previously published detections of potential Sgr debris with the exception of Sgr carbon stars -- which must be subluminous to resolve the discrepancy.


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    this is painful for the first half, but the most powerful lecture for the second half. For sure worth listening to

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    Agreed, NCSusan! 76+ minutes! Concur!

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    For what it's worth, post 28 (I think) in this thread has the best video example of the Arctic Fata Morgana that I've ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Susan View Post
    you can open link in new tab and listen as background while still gleaning this forum. (That is what i am doing.) http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/sho...ow_3501119.mp3
    I'm attempting to listen as I write now.

    Why is it that some of those who think they have something interesting to say elect to do so not by print with footnotes, endnotes, illustrations and such; where there are conventions that are observed by people that wish to be respected by the community customarily uphold?

    Instead, they adopt an audio (or worse, video AND audio) format that makes them sound as flakey as possible.

    The few minutes that I submitted to my ears were bad enough. I'm very sensitive to drivel.

    if somebody would like to summarize, please do so.

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