Coming After The Ammo first...

**Racing22** · 07-30-2012 04:17 PM

We won't have to worry about the government grabbing our weapons, they will just make it difficult to purchase ammo... making your AR15 an assault "club" instead of a "rifle" because you won't have anything to fire out of it....
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Obama will 'evaluate' bill to ban online munition sales
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...unition-sales/
By Susan Crabtree - The Washington Times

July 30, 2012, 04:41PM

White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Monday that President Obama will "evaluate" a new bill that would ban online ammunition sales in the wake of the shooting massacre in Aurora, Colo. That left 12 dead and dozens more injured.

During the daily press briefing, Mr. Earnest was asked whether Mr. Obama supports the measure, which aims to end sales of unlimited amounts of ammunition on the Internet and other mail orders. The bill also would force ammunition dealers to report large sales of bullets and other munitions to law enforcement authorities

At first Mr. Earnest said he didn't know if Mr. Obama was aware of a bill sponsored by Sen. Frank Lautenberg, Democrat from New Jersey, and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, a Democrat from New York. He later amended this remarks to say the White House would evaluate the measure.

"The president's view that have been relayed quite frequently over the last few days, you know, is that he believes in the Second Amendment of the Constitution, in the right to bear arms but he also believes that we should take robust steps within existing law to ensure that guns don't fall in the hands of criminals or others [who] shouldn't have them," he said, referring to gun-control comments Mr. Obama made during at speech at the National Urban League.

The reporter followed up by asking whether president push for enforcing existing law would prevent him from supporting the bill banning online munition sales.

"Well, like I said, I haven't seen the specific piece of legislation that has been offered up today. But as those — as that and other pieces of legislation make their way through the legislative process, you know, we'll consider — we'll evaluate them as they make their way through the process," he noted.

**Millwright** · 07-30-2012 04:28 PM

"Well, like I said, I haven't seen the specific piece of legislation that has been offered up today. But as those — as that and other pieces of legislation make their way through the legislative process, you know, we'll consider — we'll evaluate them as they make their way through the process," he noted.

Translates to: "We aint saying diddly-squat till after the elections, then............shame on your red-neck, gun totin', bible clingin' self."

**Hfcomms** · 07-30-2012 04:28 PM

With billions of rounds of ammunition in the hands of the citizens who've seen the writing on the wall for years now as it were good luck to them. Kind of late to close the barn door when the horse is long gone.

**Warthog** · 07-30-2012 04:36 PM

Not to mention all the millions of reloaders out their.

**TheSearcher** · 07-30-2012 04:47 PM

The GOA should issue a message on official letterhead, with the only text being:

"LOL"

**JUNGLEBILL** · 07-30-2012 04:50 PM

HEY,I got several reloaders and maybe 20k,,Whats the big deal????I love to shoot.Gonna be a red flag now .

**Racing22** · 07-30-2012 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Racing22

"The president's view that have been relayed quite frequently over the last few days, you know, is that he believes in the Second Amendment of the Constitution,

This should be the tip off.... as we know from all the other "promises" and "statements" over the last 3 years by this president.... he usually does the opposite of what he "believes"....

Plan accordingly!!!!

**Adino** · 07-30-2012 05:13 PM

They want you to have a license to buy ammo and track what you buy.

Ain't about stopping on line sales.

Its about data mining and we all know where that leads.

**Zulu Cowboy** · 07-30-2012 05:18 PM

For those who can read the writing on the wall...
You'd better get it, while the getting is still good!

http://www.sgammo.com/
http://www.ammoman.com/
http://www.luckygunner.com/

Zulu Cowboy

**Rastech** · 07-30-2012 05:25 PM

The vehicle for doing this is the UN's attempt at a Global lead ban.

**Ben Sunday** · 07-30-2012 06:03 PM

Ammo is one of several select things in life where too much never seems like enough.

**geoffs** · 07-30-2012 06:05 PM

Lawmakers call for greater control of ammunition sales
(07/30/12) WOODBURY - Several politicians are pushing for greater control on the sale of ammunition in the wake of the Colorado movie theater shooting that left 12 people dead.
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) are pushing a bill that would ban the sale of ammunition online and require all ammunition to be sold through federally licensed gun shops.

The bill would also require purchasers to show identification for all ammunition purchases and require gun shops to notify law enforcement of purchases that exceed 1,000 rounds within five days of the purchase. Gun shop owners say while the bill might push more sales to their shops, they doubt the bill would do anything to reduce crime.

http://www.news12.com/articleDetail....news_type=news

**rhughe13** · 07-30-2012 06:13 PM

Government monitors the sale of Precious Metals in excess of $600 too. Now trying to monitor and restrict ammunition.

Monitor and Restrict. Obey!

**Garryowen** · 07-30-2012 06:15 PM

If they really wanted to stop crime, they would surrender to the police.

**clem** · 07-30-2012 06:32 PM

**Ranger** · 07-30-2012 07:43 PM

There's already so much "ammo" out there! That's a
red herring. Guns are a force factor, along with Rights,
and fidelity to core Constitutional values that persuaded the
52(?) senators to have serious 2nd Ammendment reservations
+ "lighting up" the Congressional switchboards.

Really? Ammo? There's already enough ammo "out there"
to conquer the world 10 X over for crying out loud; heaven
forbid it ever comes to a fight! For crying out loud!

Cmmon! Easily half the folks that own guns don't even know
how to use them to stay on target; especially in a seriousP
situation! Get real...

Americans best understand that if they can't govern themselves
someone else will. The domestication and "dumbing down" is
nearly complete? This is a lame ass discussion.!!!!

Ranger

**Tiamat214** · 07-30-2012 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by rhughe13

Government monitors the sale of Precious Metals in excess of $600 too. Now trying to monitor and restrict ammunition.

Monitor and Restrict. Obey!

I thought lead, brass, and copper was precious metals.

**Tiamat214** · 07-30-2012 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by geoffs

Lawmakers call for greater control of ammunition sales
(07/30/12) WOODBURY - Several politicians are pushing for greater control on the sale of ammunition in the wake of the Colorado movie theater shooting that left 12 people dead.
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) are pushing a bill that would ban the sale of ammunition online and require all ammunition to be sold through federally licensed gun shops.

The bill would also require purchasers to show identification for all ammunition purchases and require gun shops to notify law enforcement of purchases that exceed 1,000 rounds within five days of the purchase. Gun shop owners say while the bill might push more sales to their shops, they doubt the bill would do anything to reduce crime.

http://www.news12.com/articleDetail....news_type=news

easy. you can get your mom, aunt, sister, all kids of age and anyone else to go out and buy 1000 rnds each and then do it again the next week. see it will not stop anything. it is all about feelgood crap. they are saying. look we are preventing another mass msurder. re-elect us. and the idiots will continue to re-elect them time and time again.

**mecoastie** · 07-30-2012 08:03 PM

a case of ammo will just become 980 rds.

**TimeTraveler** · 07-30-2012 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Ben Sunday

Ammo is one of several select things in life where too much never seems like enough.

Yep. When it comes to ammo, --------- too much of everything is just about enough.

**HighStrung** · 07-30-2012 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by clem

Best image I've seen in a long time.

**Masterchief117** · 07-30-2012 08:35 PM

I have been meaning to ask this of the forum:

As things are right now, do you feel comfortable doing on-line ammo purchases or do you buy it face to face with cash. The reason why I ask, is whether or not you want to be on their radar (credit card purchases being recorded and used against you) or fly below their radar as much as possible. I like cash purchases, but I feel that it may past the point of not caring what they know.

**Kadosh** · 07-30-2012 08:37 PM

If anyone "comes after your ammo first", give them the ammo first.

**American Rage** · 07-30-2012 08:39 PM

Please, over 25 years ago, the leftist proclaimed that there was a 100 year supply of guns in America, but only a 30 day supply of ammo. If that wasn't your 1st clue, then the L.A. riots and hurricane Katrina in New Orleans damn sure should have been your 2nd and 3rd clues!!

But then again, that's where the old saying "a few firearms, a few spare parts, and a whole lot of ammunition" origninally came from!

Oh well, what can one do?

**Lone_Hawk** · 07-30-2012 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Masterchief117

I have been meaning to ask this of the forum:

As things are right now, do you feel comfortable doing on-line ammo purchases or do you buy it face to face with cash. The reason why I ask, is whether or not you want to be on their radar (credit card purchases being recorded and used against you) or fly below their radar as much as possible. I like cash purchases, but I feel that it may past the point of not caring what they know.

Face-to-face with cash

**Ranger** · 07-30-2012 08:50 PM

The American "folks" are already "armed to the teeth" with more
"wakeups" each day. We are "hard wired" for our natural law
and defense Rights! The real battle is of ideas, our G*d given
foundations. Engage! The dominant minority lack moral
character and standing. They've LOST already but We The People
needn't be complacent in the least. THEY... THEM "blinked".
We The People are the POWER here (anyway) and THEY know
it. Gun up, arm up, but above all study up & engage in the debate! No more
stupid entertainment!.. We don't want this to Go South on us
unless your some kind of ignoramus. Many within Gov empathize
cause their "little" too, but be vigilant, discerning and "test the
spirits". Back to good and what we know to be good then we'll
be GREAT again. History!

Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.
George Washington
First president of US (1732 - 1799) *

We The People are the government! ( here ) but we must
re-engage the debate EFECTIVELY, and really!..not virtually!

Ranger

**HighStrung** · 07-30-2012 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Masterchief117

I have been meaning to ask this of the forum:

As things are right now, do you feel comfortable doing on-line ammo purchases or do you buy it face to face with cash. The reason why I ask, is whether or not you want to be on their radar (credit card purchases being recorded and used against you) or fly below their radar as much as possible. I like cash purchases, but I feel that it may past the point of not caring what they know.

Prefer cash face to face, but prices have also driven me towards online more than once. I figure I'm on the radar already, so be it. I like to shoot, so what.

**workerbee** · 07-30-2012 08:57 PM

You can NEVER have too much ammo!!!

NEVER!

My husband determined quite a while back reloading was a necessity.

On a positive note this doesn't help Obamas re-election.
(Also doesn't help Romney when you think about it, lol!)

These pricks need to get the fluck outta our lives.
Since they keep inserting themselves more intrusively into our lives more ammo is needed.

**RJC** · 07-30-2012 09:34 PM

I've only got 3 bullets left, used all the ammo up time before last when we went to the range. Oh woe is me ! What to do?

**Ranger** · 07-30-2012 09:42 PM

Get more accurate, site in and call it good. Above all
get your ego, and the notion of unlimited ammo "outta
your head"; especially considering much is either Russian(Wolf);
Chinese (Norinco) or Korean (PMC) made. Winchester or
Remmington or Federal for potential battle.... "heaven forbid" ; get
REAL!

Sight picture, breath control, trigger control.!

Ranger

**Wolfman** · 07-31-2012 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by RJC

I've only got 3 bullets left, used all the ammo up time before last when we went to the range. Oh woe is me ! What to do?

Three bullets is all the gate guards were allowed in Lebanon. So when a truck packed full of explosives crashed the gate, they fired their three bullets each and the truck just kept on going until it blew up the marine barracks.

**33dInd** · 07-31-2012 11:12 AM

intresting in that every time I have bought ammo on line, regardless of amount I have had to send the supplier a statement that I am legally eligible to buy and possess ammo and I have had to provide a copy of my state drivers license long with payment before anyone would ship.
So, if the ammo suppliers are already doing this than.....................what am I missing other than this is a first step to stop the sale of ammo.

**Boise Rocker** · 07-31-2012 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Warthog

Not to mention all the millions of reloaders out their.

Yup. Note to self: stock up on primers, Red Dot and Reloader 7.

**Boise Rocker** · 07-31-2012 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Masterchief117

I have been meaning to ask this of the forum:

As things are right now, do you feel comfortable doing on-line ammo purchases or do you buy it face to face with cash. The reason why I ask, is whether or not you want to be on their radar (credit card purchases being recorded and used against you) or fly below their radar as much as possible. I like cash purchases, but I feel that it may past the point of not caring what they know.

They already know who has firearms and who doesn't. Trying to "fly under the radar" is an exercise in futility. The first question is, when are they going to come after the guns/ammo? The second question is, are we willing to do what needs to be done when the modern-day equivalent of the 1775 powder raids start happening?

**Double_A** · 07-31-2012 11:46 AM

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy

Seems to me like she needs to go.

**undead** · 07-31-2012 11:51 AM

12 deaths in Aurora is nothing compared to the number of deaths when they start showing up at citizen's doors to demand the guns and ammo

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**Double_A** · 07-31-2012 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by rhughe13

Government monitors the sale of Precious Metals in excess of $600 too.

They wanted to but they dropped that provision from the legislation.

**momof23goats** · 07-31-2012 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Hfcomms

With billions of rounds of ammunition in the hands of the citizens who've seen the writing on the wall for years now as it were good luck to them. Kind of late to close the barn door when the horse is long gone.

thats right, and don't expect us to turn it in, not that stupid.

**skip8** · 08-01-2012 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Masterchief117

I have been meaning to ask this of the forum:

As things are right now, do you feel comfortable doing on-line ammo purchases or do you buy it face to face with cash. The reason why I ask, is whether or not you want to be on their radar (credit card purchases being recorded and used against you) or fly below their radar as much as possible. I like cash purchases, but I feel that it may past the point of not caring what they know.

Yeah Masterchief, I'm most intent on quantity and price, ease of purchasing and selection...so I've been exclusively buying via the Internet for a few years.

**Adino** · 08-01-2012 01:36 PM

If you live far enough out and the nearest gun shows and shops are a 2 hr drive you buy your ammo on line a lot as well.

As long as you don't go too crazy and haven't given them reason to bother you it just gets added to your file. For later use.

They can watch me all they want. Probably have. But I'm too boring to warrant wasting time on when there are real bad guys really out there.

I have read of people who ordered > 3,000 rnds at a time getting a wussup visit. But even when I was able to afford shooting more .22 than centerfire I never ordered near that much at a time.

Like with food keep a steady purchasing history and don't break your normal patterns.

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