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    Over 30,000 Flee Colorado 'Inferno'

    Tens of thousands flee their homes as Colorado wildfire grows

    Published June 27, 2012

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    COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. – Tens of thousands of people have been evacuated and multiple homes destroyed as a growing wildfire races through Colorado Springs in a scene Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper described as "like looking at a military invasion."

    KDVR reports as of Tuesday night the El Paso County Sheriff says more than 32,000 people have been evacuated from the city of Colorado Springs due to the Waldo Canyon fire and an unknown number of homes have been destroyed. The fire has consumed approximately 6,500 acres so far.

    "It’s like an inferno," Colorado Springs Mayor Steve Bach told KDVR. "We have quite a few homes on fire right now.”

    Approximately 2,100 people were evacuated from the U.S. Air Force Academy, which is north of Colorado Springs. The academy said in a statement late Tuesday officials have directed a base closure for normal operations for Wednesday, with only essential personnel reporting for duty.

    The academy is expecting its next class of about 1,000 cadet appointees on Thursday, and says in-processing for the cadets will go on as scheduled.

    Meanwhile, authorities in central Utah found one woman dead Tuesday when they returned to an evacuated area, marking the first casualty in a blaze that consumed at least two dozen homes and appears to be taking a turn for the worst.

    Throughout the interior West, firefighters toiled in searing, record-setting heat that refused to relinquish its grip, as they struggled to contain blazes in Colorado, Utah and other Rocky Mountain states.

    Colorado has endured nearly a week of 100-plus-degree days and low humidity, sapping moisture from timber and grass, creating a devastating formula for volatile wildfires across the state and punishing conditions for firefighters.

    "When it's that hot, it just dries the fuels even more. That can make the fuels explosive," said Steve Segin, a fire spokesman for the U.S. Forest Service.

    All of Utah and much of Wyoming, Colorado and Montana were under a red flag warning, meaning conditions were hot, dry and ripe for fires.

    Tuesday was the fifth consecutive day with temperatures of 100 degrees or higher in Denver, tying a record set in 2005 and 1989. On Monday, Denver set a record with 105 degrees. The previous record for June 25 was 100 degrees in 1991.

    Other areas of the state also topped 100 degrees Tuesday, including the northeastern Colorado town of Wray, which hit 108, the National Weather Service said.

    What the nation is now seeing is "a super-heated spike on top of a decades long warming trend," said Derek Arndt, head of climate monitoring at the National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C.

    The U.S. set 107 new temperature records Monday and in the past week has set 782 of them, which are large numbers but hard to put in context because the data center has only been tracking the number of daily records broken for little more than a year, Arndt said.

    But what's truly impressive, Arndt said, is that in the past three days in Colorado and Kansas, nine sites have set records regardless of the date. Usually hottest-ever marks are set in the scorching months of July and August.

    The scorching heat doesn't appear to be letting up soon. Segin said such prolonged heat is "extremely taxing" physically on firefighters, who are working long days and carrying heavy gear.

    Television video from the 7-square-mile Waldo Canyon fire showed smoke and flames close to houses in a forested neighborhood northwest of Colorado Springs.The fire was 5 percent contained.

    Two specially equipped Air Force C-130 cargo planes were helping fight the fire, and a third was expected later in the day.

    With the nation's privately owned fleet of heavy air tankers already in use or unavailable, U.S. Forest Chief Tom Tidwell said his agency had to call on the military to help.

    Tidwell told The Associated Press in a phone interview Monday that about half of the nation's personnel who are usually assigned to large fires are working in Colorado right now.

    "It's just because it's so dry," Tidwell said. "Not unlike New Mexico — they saw very low snowpack, especially in that lower country. Hot, dry winds with dry fuels, you get the ignition, and this is what we see."

    At the 136-square-mile High Park fire in northern Colorado, authorities increased the number of homes destroyed to 257, saying they found nine homes that hadn't been counted earlier. The total was already the highest of any wildfire in state history.

    That fire was 55 percent contained.

    In Utah, Sanpete County sheriff's officials haven't identified the body found or explained where the remains were found Tuesday morning while assessing damage in the area.

    On Tuesday morning, officials announced that the 60-square-mile Wood Hollow Fire was 15 percent contained and lifted some evacuation orders amid predictions they'd contain the blaze even further. But winds fanned the flames again by afternoon, forcing authorities to shut down part of U.S. 89 near Indianola amid fears that the fire would jump the highway.

    Evacuations were called for Fairview, a town of about 1,100 residents near the blaze, as the fire grew larger and more erratic.

    Elsewhere in the West:

    — A fire that charred nearly 70 square miles west of Ruidoso, N.M., was 90 percent contained, with many residents allowed to return home.

    — A wildfire north of Helena, Mont., destroyed four homes and forced additional evacuations. Gov. Brian Schweitzer issued a state of emergency for four counties.

    — A wildfire in the Bridger-Teton National Forest grew from about 300 acres to 2,000 acres Tuesday, marking the first major wildfire of the season in western Wyoming.

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    I know. This was a breakaway story IMO, which is why I posted it separately.

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    mtncat started the breakaway story last night at the link I showed. That broke away from the thread I had been working on.

    Anyway, check this out:


    Destructive fire near Colorado Springs, Colorado, doubled size overnight to over 24 square miles - @AP

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    I have never in my life seen where a MAJOR US city is allowed to burn like this. I'm surprised that fire crews from all over the country haven't descended on Colo Spgs to save the city.

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    It is a Major US city burning!! This morning I couldnt find much, if anything, on cable news about it. Instead they were talking non-stop about politics or giggling with movie stars.

    This is a huge news story- about fellow Americans!

    I've been watching online the live feeds.....

    it's heartbreaking...
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    A friend of mine has lost her home. But as soon as she heard how bad things were getting at the start of this thing she packed up her dogs and a few things and fled. Said she wasn't gonna wait for 'hell to unleash.' Thank God she & the pups are ok but basically 90% of her belongings are gone.
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    I have never in my life seen where a MAJOR US city is allowed to burn like this. I'm surprised that fire crews from all over the country haven't descended on Colo Spgs to save the city.

    1. You don't remember the fires about 16 yrs ago in the Oakland/Berkely hills?
    2. Fire crews are already dispersed all over the inner west with fires. CS may be the worst today, but its happening all over. I wish I could send "Debbie" out to them. We are being inundated with rain here in Fl. Five inches just over nite. We must have gotten 15/20 in the past 4 days.


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    I've been following this and Shortstop is right...all the major news channels are just blowing these fires off. You would think with summer travel and vacationers this would be a priority story but it's looking more like a media blackout except for Colorado's local stations. Just shameful!

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    Best part is that of the 4 C130 tankers in the area, only 2 have been put into service - others sit on the ground! Maybe they want to keep them in reserve in case things get bad? Gov(Dem) was on TV last night, said no need for Guard to help! Most of his comments were about rebuilding after the fires. Maybe that is the plan - let the state burn to the ground then thank the Feds and "O" for all the rebuilding money - "You never let a serious crisis go to waste"

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    Hey, those projects would be "shovel-ready", right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Caver78 View Post
    I've been following this and Shortstop is right...all the major news channels are just blowing these fires off. You would think with summer travel and vacationers this would be a priority story but it's looking more like a media blackout except for Colorado's local stations. Just shameful!
    Probably my paranoia kicking in but...

    On the mail CO fires thread, there are a couple of stories posted about Al Queda and Muslim groups ADVOCATING setting fires in national forests as a MEANS OF ATTACKING the US---

    You don't suppose our Obama-and-Muslim-friendly MSM is "hushing" this up not because they're clueless dolts but because they have heard rumors to the effect that it MAY ACTUALLY BE Muslim groups who started this?
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    ive got a good buddy on the lines in the thick of it, the thing is just overwhelming no matter how many crews you have out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    I have never in my life seen where a MAJOR US city is allowed to burn like this. I'm surprised that fire crews from all over the country haven't descended on Colo Spgs to save the city.
    Dennis:
    This fire started on Saturday (probably by an arsonist.) We watched it from our home as the smoke darkened the sky that afternoon. This should have been put out by Sunday due to it's location on the mountain and with its location near Manitou Springs.
    It is strange that they waited so long to get a tanker in the air and could not use all the resources available here in Colorado (with all the fires burning) and get it out before it reached this level.
    BTW--just got info from Gazette.com (our newspaper) breaking news that over 100 homes have burned.
    This afternoon the winds could make it worse with some pending thunderstorms.
    Be afraid---be very afraid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caver78 View Post
    I've been following this and Shortstop is right...all the major news channels are just blowing these fires off. You would think with summer travel and vacationers this would be a priority story but it's looking more like a media blackout except for Colorado's local stations. Just shameful!
    Even worse, people not familiar with Colorado don't believe its "all that bad" - know some folks planning to go there for 4th of July and they are looking forward to doing something-or-other up at Estes Park. Advised them that if they didn't believe what I was saying to at least look up a local newspaper or TV station and listen to what they're saying . . . they haven't even considered changing their plans . . .
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    Howdy, Folks.


    Any reports of looting, yet?
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    What's to loot? Melted nails and ashes?

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    I have family in Ft. Collins who are leaving with their kids simply because the ashfall is so bad they are having trouble breathing. I'm sure it's as bad near the other fires. This is of wider impact than just the areas that actually burn, and they are substantial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    What's to loot? Melted nails and ashes?
    Quote Originally Posted by FREEBIRD View Post
    I have family in Ft. Collins who are leaving with their kids simply because the ashfall is so bad they are having trouble breathing.
    ˆ This.

    Areas don't have to be burned to the ground to be vacated.

    Prime looting targets...
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    yeah, it's pretty grim out here right now.

    Dennis, want to know why Colorado Springs isn't getting Federal help?

    Because Colorado Springs is one of the top Conservative Cities in the United States...http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/statesman/...081205libs.pdf
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    There were some rumors about looting in the High Park fire near Fort Collins, but I don't know if anything is confirmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker View Post
    Even worse, people not familiar with Colorado don't believe its "all that bad" - know some folks planning to go there for 4th of July and they are looking forward to doing something-or-other up at Estes Park. Advised them that if they didn't believe what I was saying to at least look up a local newspaper or TV station and listen to what they're saying . . . they haven't even considered changing their plans . . .
    We don't have a fire in Estes Park, it is out and ended up only being 20 acres, fortunately because of the helicopters we got from the high park fire. We have a fire ban on with no camp fires, no charcoal, no smoking outside a vehicle...but of course all these things do not stop a lightning strike. The town is still planing on doing a firework display which is shot off over Lake Estes.

    What gripes me is that we have a firework ban and yet on every corner in Loveland is a huge tent selling fireworks.
    May God be with us in the coming days

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurie the Mom View Post
    There were some rumors about looting in the High Park fire near Fort Collins, but I don't know if anything is confirmed.

    Laurie
    They caught a guy impersonating a fireman last week that was looting. That is the only incident that we have heard of.
    May God be with us in the coming days

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    In terms of homes destroyed, as bad as this is (and it IS bad) it's still almost a footnote compared to some California fires:

    10/20/1991 - Oakland (California) fires burned nearly 3,000 homes, 25 died, $1.75B in damages

    10/21/2003 - Wildfires near Los Angeles started burning, as of 11/03 the fires burned 743,000 acres and 3,587 homes, 22 died, some estimates of over $3 billion in damages

    10/21/2007 - Devastating fires ripped through the Los Angeles basin, lasted thru 10/25, 3 died and 25 firefighters and civilians were injured, burned 500,000 acres, nearly 1,300 homes were destroyed, over 500,000 people evacuated while nearly 1,000 firefighters fought the fires

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    The only thing they can do or the right thing is get everyone in town wants to help and let it happen and there is no excuse by the officials to say no for any reason.

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    have never in my life seen where a MAJOR US city is allowed to burn like this.
    I can't comment really on the scale... I'm not in CO.... but San Diego in 2003 is what came to my mind. I WAS there. We watched the flames top the hill outside our suburb... only 1 count em 1 hwy was still open out of San Diego... we packed our kids, cats, and critical items, and evac'ed. Our home did NOT burn.... but lots of homes and neighborhoods did. The fires were all over around San Diego.
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    For what it's worth, my post wasn't meant to belittle the Colorado Springs fire. I was saying that as bad as it is right now, it can still get much, MUCH worse. Massive fires are one of those disasters that we don't know how bad it really was until AFTER the actual event, when we have time to numbly count the cost.

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    Waldo Fire - former Colo Spgs resident and FF/EMT Perspective

    I know the area well as I lived in the Spgs for 10 years and was a vol FF/EMT for El Paso County Sta. 1/Donald Wescott FD back in the early 80's. Did wildland FF (Larimer Cnty) while at CSU in Fort Collins in the mid-late 70's so I know both areas very well. We all knew these days would eventually come, especially with all the beetle kill trees in these forests.

    In my personal experience, it took a 200 gallon heli-tank to put the drop a 60 foot beetle-killed tree on one fire that I was working. We were sitting on a lunch break outside the fire line we were cutting and heard a crackle then a roar within seconds. Requested an immediate air drop and we were able to divert a Hughie with a 200 gallon bucket in time. It was scary as this tree was well outside the fire line. We were 75-100 feet away in a safe drop position and the radiant heat was great just from just one tree fully involved. When these fires get cooking, sometimes you can't do much, same with houses combine the two, it's very difficult.

    IMO, what caught IC "off-guard" was the down draft winds from the Teller Cnty Storms. I was listening to fire command when it started to get really bad. I heard FFs wanting to try to save Flying W but were ordered out for their safety. Command IMHO was doing VERY well as were all the FF/LEO working this fire. I also know they had additional resources en route from Pueblo and Denver Metro. Stop to think, you have to find crews willing to be/able to deploy multiple days, releasing reserve equipment, fueling, topping water tanks, tools, and other prep, then even running RLS it's well over an hour+ drive. You arrive, then you have staging, check-in, assignment-deployment. You also simply can't strip all a city's FD resources as you still have to maintain basic response capacity to the rest of a city. It requires alot of coordination for it to go well. Anyone whose been there knows that. Talking head media types are not knowledgeable to the complexities. It IS NOT AN EASY JOB and trust me NO FF wants to loose to fire...

    At BTW, where I worked was right up against the south end of Mtn Shadows and I met with Russ Wolff, owner of the Flying W Ranch several times since our properties adjoined, super nice guy. My prayers for all those who have lost property and thank God only property! For all the FF/Command working this beast to be safe and thanks and if I still was living there I'd be right along side you!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasQF View Post
    I can't comment really on the scale... I'm not in CO.... but San Diego in 2003 is what came to my mind. I WAS there. We watched the flames top the hill outside our suburb... only 1 count em 1 hwy was still open out of San Diego... we packed our kids, cats, and critical items, and evac'ed. Our home did NOT burn.... but lots of homes and neighborhoods did. The fires were all over around San Diego.
    I was driving semi-truck during that time, and I happened to be down there loading when that was going on. I remember pulling out of the city, and heading east. I went RIGHT BY the forward edge of the fire as I came up into the hills. The fire wasn't more than 1/2 mile from that road. I hear that that road was closed a few hours after I went by that spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rafter View Post
    We don't have a fire in Estes Park, it is out and ended up only being 20 acres, fortunately because of the helicopters we got from the high park fire. We have a fire ban on with no camp fires, no charcoal, no smoking outside a vehicle...
    THanks, Rafter, for setting me straight. At the time I talked with these folks it was being reported that there were structures in Estes Park that had burned or were burning. Glad to hear that it got stopped up there - the Stanley Hotel would be impossible to rebuild.
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    Wildfire Puts City Of Boulder On Pre-Evacuation Orders

    BOULDER, Colo. (CBS4) – Firefighters have been battling a wildfire that has forced evacuations in the foothills of southern Boulder County and put the city of Boulder on pre-evacuation orders

    The fire is burning near Bison Drive east of Walker Ranch where 26 evacuation notices have been sent out that includes the Pine Needle Notch subdivision.

    Pre-evacuation notices have been sent to 2,416 City of Boulder phone numbers. That includes the area from Table Mesa east to Broadway and north to Dartmouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald Shimoda View Post
    Howdy, Folks.



    Any reports of looting, yet?

    Howdy, Folks!

    From Gazette reporter John Schroyer:
    Colorado Springs Police Department spokeswoman Barbara Miller said Thursday that five or less people had been arrested so far for trying to sneak into areas that had been evacuated due to the Waldo Canyon fire. No reports were official yet, but in speaking with officers, Miller learned that a handful of would-be looters had been taken into custody, she said.
    "The CSPD is going to continue to arrest anyone who attempts to go through, around or over the barricade, because their priority is protecting lives and property of people who have been affected by the fire," Miller said."

    Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/fear...#ixzz1z8y94YT2


    Automobiles getting broken into:


    http://www.gazette.com/articles/vehi...#ixzz1zDokdRXu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post
    The only thing they can do or the right thing is get everyone in town wants to help and let it happen and there is no excuse by the officials to say no for any reason.
    Exertion caused cardiac arrest...since most folks do NOT know their limitations OR what they will be facing. A fireline is NOT someplace to learn you can't handle unrelentiong heat.

    Un- or Il-trained personel without the proper personal protective gear, wielding chainsaws, mattocks, etc can injure people working close to them in the environment.

    VERY FEW untrained vols handle their first fire line experience well if it turns on them.


    Wanna help with logistics? Cool. Just understand if you can't lift it, someone else needs to because it needs to move NOW.

    I've known qualified paramedics to WALK OFF the fire line because they couldn't handle it....after trash talkin like a lot of armchair folks do.

    There is a REASON that, after all the other skill tests, that wildland firefighter to be has to finish a 3 mile hike, with 35 pounds of steel on his back in 45 mins...


    Of course, if you wnt to include a COMPLETE hold harmless sign up, making the county/city whatever not liable for your death or injury and protecting the authority frm lawsuit, then sure, put every man-jack out there --- with sufficient meat wagons to haul in the bodies. This of course vilates the First Responder's First Duty, which is, to not become an additional victim....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    I have never in my life seen where a MAJOR US city is allowed to burn like this. I'm surprised that fire crews from all over the country haven't descended on Colo Spgs to save the city.
    THIS^^^^^^^

    If this were NOL of f**ing A...this would be on EVERY CHANNEL EVERY WHERE EVERY SECOND OF EVERY DAY>>>>

    but then again...I DID hear the mayor himself say that CS was SAFE for tourists to visit...its ok he said...come on down he said...
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    instead of engaging him. It preys on unrest.
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    There's times in my life when I didn't want media attention. There were floods that ruined everything and all I could think about, I was a little kid, was what are WE going to do. I didn't want some nosy reporter sifting through our trash and glibbly passing on "how unfortunate these (little) people are". And then there were times when we were tornadoed and all I do was put one foot in front of another, no time to rest and no time to do anything but respond. We had people who came to help, but then ended up causing more trouble than what they were worth because we had to take time to show them and host them and calm them down. When catastrophe happens, get out of the way and get ready to truly assist them when it's over. By the way, we are a family farm and things look different. Our work is more spread out than say working in an office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taz View Post
    I have never in my life seen where a MAJOR US city is allowed to burn like this. I'm surprised that fire crews from all over the country haven't descended on Colo Spgs to save the city.

    1. You don't remember the fires about 16 yrs ago in the Oakland/Berkely hills?
    2. Fire crews are already dispersed all over the inner west with fires. CS may be the worst today, but its happening all over. I wish I could send "Debbie" out to them. We are being inundated with rain here in Fl. Five inches just over nite. We must have gotten 15/20 in the past 4 days.
    I remember those fires, gorgeous homes in the Oakland hills went up. My cousin lost a home in that one.

    Yes, such is life in the American west. If you study the tree rings of the California redwoods, you'd see that the west really isn't suitable for this type of habitat. Perhaps something along the lines of the Monolithic Dome or perhaps underground housing like in the Star Wars movie, which Luke Skywalker's parents lived in.

    Why do we permit such pathetic and unsuitable buildngs to be built for human habitation? In Germany, there are 1000 year requirements for housing: The housing must be built of materials and in such a way that it will still be habitable and usable in 1000 years.

    This isn't enough, but it's a start. How many redwood trees that took thousands of years to create were destroyed for houses that are expected to be useless and replaced in less than a hundred years?

    The most absurd thing about our housing is that it's so flimsy and temporary that it's unlikely archaeologists will ever find an example to wonder at our foolishness.

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