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    Five Types Of Looters You Must Prepare For

    by Survival Diva on June 21, 2012

    Welcome to this week’s Urban Survival Newsletter, sponsored by “Tactical Firearms Training Secrets,” the critically acclaimed book by David Morris, featuring Dustin Ellermann, winner of Season 3 of History Channel’s “Top Shot,” demonstrating skills throughout. You can buy the book or the Kindle edition on Amazon.com right now!

    It’s Survival Diva again with some food for thought about societal collapse; what to expect and who to look out for. It’s an important part of the puzzle when you’re one of the few prepared to survive the coming onslaught. Some guesstimate preppers make up only 5% of the populace, but it’s my belief it’s closer to 3% at best, and more likely to be 1-2%. Many give lip service to prepping and claim to be prepared when the truth is they’re still in the “thinking” stage.


    They haven’t advanced to in-the-trenches preparedness that many need to do to get prepared faster, where dinners out, budget-draining vacations, and designer anything are put on the back-burner until the storage shelves are full, water has been stored, and must-have preparedness goods are crowding sheds, basements, or in a pinch; closets and under the bed.



    To come out on the other side of a wide-spread crisis in one piece, even when you’re prepared, takes getting into the head of the majority of the population who are NOT prepared. If you’re successful, you’ll face, head-on, the darker side of humanity most of us would rather pretend doesn’t exist.



    Yesterday I was given a small example. When purchasing another 20 buckets for food storage, a Home Depot employee kindly offered to help me load them into the back of my SUV. Looking at the 200 pounds of sugar and another 200 pounds of flour crowding the back—I’m planning to use it for barter when the time comes—he asked; “What’s with all the buckets and the baking stuff?” This was my cue to wake up another person who’ll be sorely disappointed when meals on wheels doesn’t come to their aid in a wide-spread emergency. Besides, I knew I could safely talk to him without worry of him showing up at my doorstep if things go south. I live 90 miles away and I pay with cash for my preparedness goods and NEVER use rewards cards, where my personal purchases are tracked.



    So I told him I write about prepping and I practice what I preach. Our discussion revealed he had attempted to start prepping, yet every time he stored the items in the basement, his teenagers helped themselves to his emergency stash. I asked if he had a shed that could be padlocked to keep his prepping goods intact, which he did. His answer, however, was disappointing: “My wife would kill me if I put the bikes outside to store preparedness goods.”



    I left the parking lot shaking my head in sadness with the realization this man represents the majority of people, including many reading this very article. They may have that gut-wrenching intuition that things aren’t quite right, and they should be getting ready, but they have become entrenched with today’s norms and are over-consumers with the belief the government will step in if things get really bad. Like this man, many would-be preppers just haven’t marshaled their strength to lock horns with loved ones, even when it’s for their own good, nor can they stomach being labeled paranoid.



    Get Into The Heads of Those to Watch For

    In a collapse, not all looters are created equally. There will be varying degrees of how far a person is willing to go to survive. But even the best, most honest of people will be desperate for food and water. It’s a good idea to consider who might be approaching your doorstep before trouble shows.



    Stan, the Family Man: He has loved ones that he desperately wants to protect. He ignored the hassle of preparedness. He even ignored FEMA’s suggestion of storing three days worth of emergency food and water. Money has been tight once his hours were cut since the economic slow-down. He’d thought about selling the jet skis and investing in storage food, but it was just too depressing. Now a wide-spread emergency has decimated grocer’s shelves in a matter of hours. Water is scarce and there are rumors of many in the area getting sick after drinking non-purified water from a nearby lake. The toilet won’t flush, sewage has backed up in the tub and there is no electric. Communications are down and he and his family are without hope. The first two days, he’d held out hope that help would arrive. But it hasn’t and his family is hungry and thirsty and frightened. Stan has always paid his dues, and would normally never think about stealing from others. But, that was then. He must do whatever it takes to provide for his family. The cooking smells coming from across the hallway of his apartment building has set a plan in motion. Survival has come down to them or him…

    * * *

    Toni, the Prisoner: When the lights went out, security at the prison was compromised. Most of the jail guards left for home at first sign of trouble. Now, the tables are turned and Toni and several other inmates have escaped. Toni and his group are on foot, but that doesn’t present a problem because their rural location offers plenty of opportunities. The farmers in the area have fruits and vegetables ripe for the picking. Several in the vicinity raise horses. Now that he and the other inmates broke out of prison, Toni considers himself lucky; the problem of food and transportation is solved…once he and the five other inmates have overtaken the family they’ve targeted.

    * * *

    Scorpion, the Gang Member: Scorpion, a member of a major gang is, mad at life and knows he’s entitled to survive because he’s young and strong. He’s willing to do whatever it takes without remorse. He and his homeboys have plenty of firepower and ammunition: the tools of their trade. They can’t wait to take what they need, just for the sheer sport of it. And it’s proven to be as easy as stealing candy from a baby. Several home invasions produced more than enough food, water and medical supplies. What didn’t interest them was grabbed and sold on the black market to desperate customers. The best part is they didn’t even have to leave the city. There’s more than enough to keep the gang well fed. Along the way, they’ve picked up an arsenal. Ammo is now so plentiful, it’s moved past need and has been sold for more than what gold and silver is fetching. The few police combating the looting and killing don’t have the manpower to take down his gang, and they’re on a rampage.

    * * *

    John, the Tactically Trained: For the past two days, John has had to watch his neighbors go into meltdown. They’re without food and water, as is John. One of his neighbors is a diabetic with no way to get insulin. They can’t call their doctor—cell and land line phones haven’t worked for days. Plus, the roads are in complete gridlock. The gas stations ran out of fuel within 24-hours of the crisis and many frantic motorists trying to flee ran out of gas, or experienced car problems, leaving their vehicles to clog the roadways.



    John feels for his neighbor, but he has loved ones. They are his number one priority and he’s run out of time. John and several of his hunting buddies have decided it’s time to search for survival goods, taking their ATV’s. John’s military training now comes in handy. As leader of the group, he knows to head outside the suburb he lives for the boonies where it’s more likely there will be plentiful food and water and preparedness goods. They’ve agreed not to hurt anyone, so long as they’re allowed to take what they need. John knows what to look for: the sound of a generator or lights shining through windows. This is his signal a homeowner is prepared. During the day his group listens for the tell-tale sounds of a generator, a chainsaw, or a motorized vehicle, which isn’t hard to do now that the grid’s down. For days, things have been eerily silent. At night, John and his hunting buddies look for the tell-tale glow of lights reflecting from windows. In no time, they have what they need and will return to this rural goldmine on an as-need basis.

    * * *

    Brenda, the Naysayer: Brenda laughed when her co-worker, Sarah, shared her prepping plans. Now, the streets are over-run with desperate folks. The stores have been looted. Grocers, sporting good stores and gun shops were the first to get hit. But there have been plenty of TV’s, computers and high-ticket electronic items pilfered, even though they’re no good to anyone at present. The family car has an empty gas tank, but she’s in good health and so is the rest of her family. It’s just blind luck Brenda knows where Sarah lives, and the awesome part is she isn’t far—only a couple of miles away. Her family is into bicycling, so the problem of transportation is solved; They’ll just zip past the gridlock, baring looters, that is. The rest of Brenda’s plan lies with the knowledge that Sarah is kindhearted.



    She’ll put Brenda and her family up until order is restored, which from the looks of things could be a long time. Brenda and her husband throw what little they have in their pantry (what they can handle weight-wise, anyway) into backpacks and pillowcases. Next, they clear out the medicine cabinet. They tried to use their ATM card for cash just yesterday, so they wouldn’t show up empty-handed—they’d never want to be seen as free-loaders—but the grid is hopelessly crashed, so no luck there, and all businesses are closed, including the banks. But Brenda doesn’t necessarily see that as a deal-breaker. She did everything she could, other than fill her pantry and get preparedness goods. And besides, Brenda has two adorable kids…how can Sarah say no?

    * * *

    Will You Be A Victim?

    Desperate families, prison inmates, gang-bangers and freeloaders will be out there during a full-on collapse. The first thing you want to do is to get prepared so that you aren’t one of them. Next, how you handle desperate people and whether you come out on the other side alive has a lot to do with planning beforehand. Here are some pointers. Hopefully, you have some of your own to share by commenting below:

    The “Vacant Home” strategy: Many people plan on making their home look unoccupied in an attempt to protect themselves from looters. In grid down, you don’t necessarily want to have your home appear vacant. The average person won’t risk getting shot when they believe a home is occupied. It’s better to keep them guessing, and that also includes NOT telegraphing your preparedness.
    You will be an instant target if you’re running a noisy a generator, or driving a vehicle, or using a chain saw when your area has drawn looters or worse. It sends a message: You’re prepared and you have goods they need! It’s best to forgo the obvious. Some generators are built to run quietly. Is yours? If not, when looters are in your area, use only tools that won’t draw as much attention like a tree-felling ax, and cease running a noisy generator until it’s safer to do so. Keep vehicles parked, and gas storage out of site. Some things that you can do are to add supplementary mufflers to your generator, build a sound dampening enclosure, build an underground sound dampening enclosure, and only run your generator during the noisiest parts of the day, if possible.
    Don’t light up your home in grid-down! Now is a good time to fit your windows with black-out curtains. Even using a piece of material that’s secured—possibly with duct tape, so light doesn’t escape and alert people outside, will do. Whatever you do, test, test, and test again. Test your black-out provisions now when there is plenty of ambient light and test them again if the grid goes down on moonless nights.
    Cooking odors will attract anyone with a growling stomach, including neighbors, looters and worse. Keep canned goods and MRE’s on hand for times when looting is rampant.
    You must have the means to defend yourself. Guns and ammo may be the pivotal deciding factor between who comes out ahead: Toni the prisoner or Scorpion the gang banger, or you and your loved ones. It will be necessary in times of unruliness, when people are frantic to survive, to patrol your home, whether it happens to be in the boonies or in the city. This, often times, requires a trusted group. It may become impossible to protect a location with just a husband and wife due to the heightened demands on your time that during normal times is not an issue. This is a separate post, however, because of all it entails. Look for the post soon!
    Either have stored water or a safe route to get it and keep a high-quality water purifier on hand. During a collapse, sanitation will go south. Never risk drinking non-purified water. (David’s Note: I plan on purifying any water that I have stored rather than relying on my container cleaning and water preserving skills to keep us safe.)
    Have a backup plan for toilet use and basic hygiene, as we talked about in this article: http://www.secretsofurbansurvival.co...ter-and-sewer/

    Put aside medical supplies. Should anyone in your family or group be inured, medical aid is unlikely to show during a crisis. We’ll talk about what you’ll need specifically in an upcoming post.
    Keep several ABC fire extinguishers that will handle all types of fires. Do not expect to be able to contact the fire department for help. (David’s note: We also keep a LARGE supply of baking soda, aloe, and other first aid items for burns. One of these items is anbesol…which is for teeth, but contains .9% lidocaine. Solarcaine is aloe and .5% lidocaine and it works well also. You can buy lidocaine cream without a prescription at a 5% concentration >HERE< http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...rviveinplac-20)
    NEVER depend upon land line and cell phones to work when a crisis strikes. If you doubt this, you only have to look at the Japan tsunami, or Haiti, or Katrina. Have a back-up plan, always—which we’ll be covering here in an upcoming post. (David’s note: Never underestimate the power of randomness in a large scale disaster. On 9/11 in NYC, the network that Blackberries operated on was the only one that was reliable. After Katrina, friends doing security contracting weren’t able to use cell phones, but were able to use landline phones even though the water was 6 feet deep on the ground floor and the cables were under water. In Hawaii, the night that the earthquake hit Japan and a tsunami was expected to hit Hawaii, cell phone circuits were busy, but I was still able to email, tweet, post updates, and surf the web over my data connection on the same phone that couldn’t make a call.)
    When possible, a large dog is worth considering. It’s long been known by police that a large, serious-sounding dog will stop the bad guy. Problem is, he’ll just look for easier targets. You must provide for their survival, just as you have your loved ones, which will mean plenty of dog food. In my book, Survival: Prepare Before Disaster Strikes, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/192...rviveinplac-20 I shared a work-around for those who can’t keep a dog. Just having a beat-up, large dog collar, worn water and food bowls, and a heavy duty chain trailing on the ground WILL have the bad guy thinking twice about attacking your home. After reading this section, a wise-cracking Alaskan friend suggested a chewed up moose leg.
    Divide and avoid being conquered. Split up your survival goods in as many ways as are practical for you. Some people will have more options than others, depending on their living situation and how willing they are to hide things in places that many would consider to be completely crazy. Splitting up and hiding your survival goods will allow you to sacrifice stashes if necessary without giving up everything.

    * * *

    Most of us, if given the opportunity, would choose to help others, and many preppers who can afford to have put aside extra canned goods to help others. But there is a world of difference between helping someone in need and becoming a victim of someone who plans to steal your preparedness goods with force. It’s important to agree amongst family or group members how you will address likely scenarios, so if the time comes, you’ll be able to react as a cohesive group. Hesitation can kill you!

    So, What are your plans to survive in the midst of bedlam? Share your thoughts by commenting below:

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    Five Types Of Looters You Must Prepare For

    by Survival Diva on June 21, 2012

    Welcome to this week’s Urban Survival Newsletter, sponsored by “Tactical Firearms Training Secrets,” the critically acclaimed book by David Morris, featuring Dustin Ellermann, winner of Season 3 of History Channel’s “Top Shot,” demonstrating skills throughout. You can buy the book or the Kindle edition on Amazon.com right now!

    It’s Survival Diva again with some food for thought about societal collapse; what to expect and who to look out for. It’s an important part of the puzzle when you’re one of the few prepared to survive the coming onslaught. Some guesstimate preppers make up only 5% of the populace, but it’s my belief it’s closer to 3% at best, and more likely to be 1-2%. Many give lip service to prepping and claim to be prepared when the truth is they’re still in the “thinking” stage.


    They haven’t advanced to in-the-trenches preparedness that many need to do to get prepared faster, where dinners out, budget-draining vacations, and designer anything are put on the back-burner until the storage shelves are full, water has been stored, and must-have preparedness goods are crowding sheds, basements, or in a pinch; closets and under the bed.



    To come out on the other side of a wide-spread crisis in one piece, even when you’re prepared, takes getting into the head of the majority of the population who are NOT prepared. If you’re successful, you’ll face, head-on, the darker side of humanity most of us would rather pretend doesn’t exist.



    Yesterday I was given a small example. When purchasing another 20 buckets for food storage, a Home Depot employee kindly offered to help me load them into the back of my SUV. Looking at the 200 pounds of sugar and another 200 pounds of flour crowding the back—I’m planning to use it for barter when the time comes—he asked; “What’s with all the buckets and the baking stuff?” This was my cue to wake up another person who’ll be sorely disappointed when meals on wheels doesn’t come to their aid in a wide-spread emergency. Besides, I knew I could safely talk to him without worry of him showing up at my doorstep if things go south. I live 90 miles away and I pay with cash for my preparedness goods and NEVER use rewards cards, where my personal purchases are tracked.



    So I told him I write about prepping and I practice what I preach. Our discussion revealed he had attempted to start prepping, yet every time he stored the items in the basement, his teenagers helped themselves to his emergency stash. I asked if he had a shed that could be padlocked to keep his prepping goods intact, which he did. His answer, however, was disappointing: “My wife would kill me if I put the bikes outside to store preparedness goods.”



    I left the parking lot shaking my head in sadness with the realization this man represents the majority of people, including many reading this very article. They may have that gut-wrenching intuition that things aren’t quite right, and they should be getting ready, but they have become entrenched with today’s norms and are over-consumers with the belief the government will step in if things get really bad. Like this man, many would-be preppers just haven’t marshaled their strength to lock horns with loved ones, even when it’s for their own good, nor can they stomach being labeled paranoid.



    Get Into The Heads of Those to Watch For

    In a collapse, not all looters are created equally. There will be varying degrees of how far a person is willing to go to survive. But even the best, most honest of people will be desperate for food and water. It’s a good idea to consider who might be approaching your doorstep before trouble shows.



    Stan, the Family Man: He has loved ones that he desperately wants to protect. He ignored the hassle of preparedness. He even ignored FEMA’s suggestion of storing three days worth of emergency food and water. Money has been tight once his hours were cut since the economic slow-down. He’d thought about selling the jet skis and investing in storage food, but it was just too depressing. Now a wide-spread emergency has decimated grocer’s shelves in a matter of hours. Water is scarce and there are rumors of many in the area getting sick after drinking non-purified water from a nearby lake. The toilet won’t flush, sewage has backed up in the tub and there is no electric. Communications are down and he and his family are without hope. The first two days, he’d held out hope that help would arrive. But it hasn’t and his family is hungry and thirsty and frightened. Stan has always paid his dues, and would normally never think about stealing from others. But, that was then. He must do whatever it takes to provide for his family. The cooking smells coming from across the hallway of his apartment building has set a plan in motion. Survival has come down to them or him…

    * * *

    Toni, the Prisoner: When the lights went out, security at the prison was compromised. Most of the jail guards left for home at first sign of trouble. Now, the tables are turned and Toni and several other inmates have escaped. Toni and his group are on foot, but that doesn’t present a problem because their rural location offers plenty of opportunities. The farmers in the area have fruits and vegetables ripe for the picking. Several in the vicinity raise horses. Now that he and the other inmates broke out of prison, Toni considers himself lucky; the problem of food and transportation is solved…once he and the five other inmates have overtaken the family they’ve targeted.

    * * *

    Scorpion, the Gang Member: Scorpion, a member of a major gang is, mad at life and knows he’s entitled to survive because he’s young and strong. He’s willing to do whatever it takes without remorse. He and his homeboys have plenty of firepower and ammunition: the tools of their trade. They can’t wait to take what they need, just for the sheer sport of it. And it’s proven to be as easy as stealing candy from a baby. Several home invasions produced more than enough food, water and medical supplies. What didn’t interest them was grabbed and sold on the black market to desperate customers. The best part is they didn’t even have to leave the city. There’s more than enough to keep the gang well fed. Along the way, they’ve picked up an arsenal. Ammo is now so plentiful, it’s moved past need and has been sold for more than what gold and silver is fetching. The few police combating the looting and killing don’t have the manpower to take down his gang, and they’re on a rampage.

    * * *

    John, the Tactically Trained: For the past two days, John has had to watch his neighbors go into meltdown. They’re without food and water, as is John. One of his neighbors is a diabetic with no way to get insulin. They can’t call their doctor—cell and land line phones haven’t worked for days. Plus, the roads are in complete gridlock. The gas stations ran out of fuel within 24-hours of the crisis and many frantic motorists trying to flee ran out of gas, or experienced car problems, leaving their vehicles to clog the roadways.



    John feels for his neighbor, but he has loved ones. They are his number one priority and he’s run out of time. John and several of his hunting buddies have decided it’s time to search for survival goods, taking their ATV’s. John’s military training now comes in handy. As leader of the group, he knows to head outside the suburb he lives for the boonies where it’s more likely there will be plentiful food and water and preparedness goods. They’ve agreed not to hurt anyone, so long as they’re allowed to take what they need. John knows what to look for: the sound of a generator or lights shining through windows. This is his signal a homeowner is prepared. During the day his group listens for the tell-tale sounds of a generator, a chainsaw, or a motorized vehicle, which isn’t hard to do now that the grid’s down. For days, things have been eerily silent. At night, John and his hunting buddies look for the tell-tale glow of lights reflecting from windows. In no time, they have what they need and will return to this rural goldmine on an as-need basis.

    * * *

    Brenda, the Naysayer: Brenda laughed when her co-worker, Sarah, shared her prepping plans. Now, the streets are over-run with desperate folks. The stores have been looted. Grocers, sporting good stores and gun shops were the first to get hit. But there have been plenty of TV’s, computers and high-ticket electronic items pilfered, even though they’re no good to anyone at present. The family car has an empty gas tank, but she’s in good health and so is the rest of her family. It’s just blind luck Brenda knows where Sarah lives, and the awesome part is she isn’t far—only a couple of miles away. Her family is into bicycling, so the problem of transportation is solved; They’ll just zip past the gridlock, baring looters, that is. The rest of Brenda’s plan lies with the knowledge that Sarah is kindhearted.



    She’ll put Brenda and her family up until order is restored, which from the looks of things could be a long time. Brenda and her husband throw what little they have in their pantry (what they can handle weight-wise, anyway) into backpacks and pillowcases. Next, they clear out the medicine cabinet. They tried to use their ATM card for cash just yesterday, so they wouldn’t show up empty-handed—they’d never want to be seen as free-loaders—but the grid is hopelessly crashed, so no luck there, and all businesses are closed, including the banks. But Brenda doesn’t necessarily see that as a deal-breaker. She did everything she could, other than fill her pantry and get preparedness goods. And besides, Brenda has two adorable kids…how can Sarah say no?

    * * *

    Will You Be A Victim?

    Desperate families, prison inmates, gang-bangers and freeloaders will be out there during a full-on collapse. The first thing you want to do is to get prepared so that you aren’t one of them. Next, how you handle desperate people and whether you come out on the other side alive has a lot to do with planning beforehand. Here are some pointers. Hopefully, you have some of your own to share by commenting below:

    The “Vacant Home” strategy: Many people plan on making their home look unoccupied in an attempt to protect themselves from looters. In grid down, you don’t necessarily want to have your home appear vacant. The average person won’t risk getting shot when they believe a home is occupied. It’s better to keep them guessing, and that also includes NOT telegraphing your preparedness.
    You will be an instant target if you’re running a noisy a generator, or driving a vehicle, or using a chain saw when your area has drawn looters or worse. It sends a message: You’re prepared and you have goods they need! It’s best to forgo the obvious. Some generators are built to run quietly. Is yours? If not, when looters are in your area, use only tools that won’t draw as much attention like a tree-felling ax, and cease running a noisy generator until it’s safer to do so. Keep vehicles parked, and gas storage out of site. Some things that you can do are to add supplementary mufflers to your generator, build a sound dampening enclosure, build an underground sound dampening enclosure, and only run your generator during the noisiest parts of the day, if possible.
    Don’t light up your home in grid-down! Now is a good time to fit your windows with black-out curtains. Even using a piece of material that’s secured—possibly with duct tape, so light doesn’t escape and alert people outside, will do. Whatever you do, test, test, and test again. Test your black-out provisions now when there is plenty of ambient light and test them again if the grid goes down on moonless nights.
    Cooking odors will attract anyone with a growling stomach, including neighbors, looters and worse. Keep canned goods and MRE’s on hand for times when looting is rampant.
    You must have the means to defend yourself. Guns and ammo may be the pivotal deciding factor between who comes out ahead: Toni the prisoner or Scorpion the gang banger, or you and your loved ones. It will be necessary in times of unruliness, when people are frantic to survive, to patrol your home, whether it happens to be in the boonies or in the city. This, often times, requires a trusted group. It may become impossible to protect a location with just a husband and wife due to the heightened demands on your time that during normal times is not an issue. This is a separate post, however, because of all it entails. Look for the post soon!
    Either have stored water or a safe route to get it and keep a high-quality water purifier on hand. During a collapse, sanitation will go south. Never risk drinking non-purified water. (David’s Note: I plan on purifying any water that I have stored rather than relying on my container cleaning and water preserving skills to keep us safe.)
    Have a backup plan for toilet use and basic hygiene, as we talked about in this article: http://www.secretsofurbansurvival.co...ter-and-sewer/

    Put aside medical supplies. Should anyone in your family or group be inured, medical aid is unlikely to show during a crisis. We’ll talk about what you’ll need specifically in an upcoming post.
    Keep several ABC fire extinguishers that will handle all types of fires. Do not expect to be able to contact the fire department for help. (David’s note: We also keep a LARGE supply of baking soda, aloe, and other first aid items for burns. One of these items is anbesol…which is for teeth, but contains .9% lidocaine. Solarcaine is aloe and .5% lidocaine and it works well also. You can buy lidocaine cream without a prescription at a 5% concentration >HERE< http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...rviveinplac-20)
    NEVER depend upon land line and cell phones to work when a crisis strikes. If you doubt this, you only have to look at the Japan tsunami, or Haiti, or Katrina. Have a back-up plan, always—which we’ll be covering here in an upcoming post. (David’s note: Never underestimate the power of randomness in a large scale disaster. On 9/11 in NYC, the network that Blackberries operated on was the only one that was reliable. After Katrina, friends doing security contracting weren’t able to use cell phones, but were able to use landline phones even though the water was 6 feet deep on the ground floor and the cables were under water. In Hawaii, the night that the earthquake hit Japan and a tsunami was expected to hit Hawaii, cell phone circuits were busy, but I was still able to email, tweet, post updates, and surf the web over my data connection on the same phone that couldn’t make a call.)
    When possible, a large dog is worth considering. It’s long been known by police that a large, serious-sounding dog will stop the bad guy. Problem is, he’ll just look for easier targets. You must provide for their survival, just as you have your loved ones, which will mean plenty of dog food. In my book, Survival: Prepare Before Disaster Strikes, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/192...rviveinplac-20 I shared a work-around for those who can’t keep a dog. Just having a beat-up, large dog collar, worn water and food bowls, and a heavy duty chain trailing on the ground WILL have the bad guy thinking twice about attacking your home. After reading this section, a wise-cracking Alaskan friend suggested a chewed up moose leg.
    Divide and avoid being conquered. Split up your survival goods in as many ways as are practical for you. Some people will have more options than others, depending on their living situation and how willing they are to hide things in places that many would consider to be completely crazy. Splitting up and hiding your survival goods will allow you to sacrifice stashes if necessary without giving up everything.

    * * *

    Most of us, if given the opportunity, would choose to help others, and many preppers who can afford to have put aside extra canned goods to help others. But there is a world of difference between helping someone in need and becoming a victim of someone who plans to steal your preparedness goods with force. It’s important to agree amongst family or group members how you will address likely scenarios, so if the time comes, you’ll be able to react as a cohesive group. Hesitation can kill you!

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    yup. the part about going grey and NOT advertising your prep wealth is crucial.

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    Realistically, the 5 types can be further simplified into 3 groups.

    Brenda is probably the easiest to prepare for in terms of supplies. All you need to deter her is the right mindset. You have to be able to say no, regardless of how heartless it seems. I recommend going through the Myers-Briggs test to get your personality type; if you're one of those who can't help helping others, or have a latent predilection to do so, take extra precautions to inure yourself. You have to put yourself and your safety before that of people you aren't intimately related to. Random beggars are going to fall into this category too; they're not going to have weapons or plans, but they just might have a busload of disabled or sick children, and you have to be able to look them in the eye and tell them to move on.

    Stan and John are a little harder to deal with. They're "regular guys", and may even be casual acquaintances. What makes them more difficult to deal with is their willingness to use force if necessary. Stan will not be as difficult to fend off as John, simply because Stan doesn't really have anything other than desperation going for him. He won't have a plan or much organization, so you should be able to collapse his efforts fairly simply. John is harder to deal with, since he's going to be part of a group. Rather than fight him off directly (difficult unless you have a large, well-equipped group yourself), you will need to use misdirection and indirect action. Make yourself gray, so he is less likely to find you, and (if the opportunity presents itself) make his depredations painful, by laying traps for his ATV-mounted group or otherwise making it too expensive for him to continue. Although desperate, both of these men are concerned that they are able to provide for their own families; make it too costly for them to do so from your resources and they'll find somewhere else.

    Toni and Scorpion will be the most difficult, because they're not thinking long-term. They want only enough for right now, plus whatever they think is valuable. They have no family to provide for, so they're going to be a lot more reckless. Further, both are coming from violent environments already, so they're going to be a lot more dangerous in general, and likely to engage in violence just for its own sake. In their case, they're not as likely to hit only obviously-successful targets; they'll waste effort on any available target worthwhile or not. In their case, your best bet is simply to stand by to repel boarders. The only good thing about these two is that their short-sightedness is much more likely to kill them off quickly, so they won't be a threat long-term.
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    I like the examples given but I also agree with The Mountain that they can probably be condensed a little more.

    Should probably stick "family" in there as well. They may not mean to fall into the category of "looters" but they certainly could in terms of their demands and/or threats of domestic violence and the emotional blackmail they could use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathy in FL View Post
    I like the examples given but I also agree with The Mountain that they can probably be condensed a little more.

    Should probably stick "family" in there as well. They may not mean to fall into the category of "looters" but they certainly could in terms of their demands and/or threats of domestic violence and the emotional blackmail they could use.
    Yep, "Brenda" can just as easily be any one of our own family members........who have FAILED for the last 15-20 years to listen to me, and NOW WANT TO COME OVER AND EAT MY FOOD AND USE UP MY SUPPLIES!

    (pant,pant,pant,pant,.....)

    This conversation really did happen to me, and I said "No". And 'Brenda' said, "what about these two adorable neices/nephews of yours!?" I said that they could come, not the adults.....

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    Great article and information. I've had long talks with the wife about how and where to draw the line in terms of our generosity, it's something that we'll have to determine when the time comes I guess because we haven't come up with a clear answer yet. Yes, we too have the concerns that family (who have failed to heed any warnings about prepping) will also be knocking on the door because they know a little(not all) about our preparedness.

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    Too many times I've tried to talk prepping with folks just to get the I'll just come to your house if something happens line..... I don't even try anymore

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    This is where the rubber will meet the road in your prepping mindset. You will either turn these people away and be fully prepared to 'deal' with them (for you folks out in Rio Linda that means SHOOT them).

    Telling them that you'll take only the children is wrong too. Then it's a sure way to have JBT's at your door demanding you surrender the children you stole from Brenda or whoever it is. Then your gig is really up.

    Nope, keep your stupid loud blabbering mouth SHUT! PERIOD.

    As far as ATV's 'sneaking up' on anyone - yeah, good luck with that. Even with the road noise, planes and wind I can hear those things coming from a quarter mile away in my AO.

    This is a great article though. Makes me really want to get a scope and buy more 00Buck for my Airsoft (real guns are mean and ugly...). It does take into supposition that these groups will organize VERY quickly, remain at full strength (by this I mean numbers and health - once you drink that pond water your bowels may not cooperate with your plans) and doesn't seem to account for any attrition. Like soooo many of these types of articles too it seems the author assumes we're just going to sit back and take it. Wrong. Even the non-prepped will form teams to protect what they have.

    IF it were to ever get this bad not only will you have these types to deal with but then you'll have the government to deal with as neighbor's begin to snitch on each other all day long. Another thing to think about - are you willing to take out Fred your neighbor as an offense move if you know they're DGI's and may report you? What if you don't get along with your neighbors? Ready to take them out when you KNOW things are going to be bad long term? My 'neighbors' leave their house in 15 minutes after the power goes out. I have a large garden, fruit tree's, animals and a large pile of firewood - you bet someone will be calling the JBT's on me.

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    Frighteningly realistic.....

    If you are 500 miles away on vacation or business or something...I feel for ya...
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    It is situations like this that truly scare me.

    Not getting prepared---I can do that....

    But wondering how to protect my perimeter with only my husband and myself to keep watch---and we can't simultaneously watch every part of the four property lines (N, E, S, W) all the time.

    That applies to anyone living in an urban or suburban location.

    For rural--it's in a way even worse, because the property that needs to be guarded / patrolled is even LARGER---if you have 5, 10, 20, 50 acres---how are you going to prevent entry onto your land without a small army?

    "hiding" (appearing to have nothing) seems to be the best strategy---if they come, and you cannot repel them and you have things so well hidden that you only have a few things out (so they can steal that and feel they've gotten all you have and move on)---but who knows?

    As I said, it isn't prepping for whatever disaster that makes me nervous; it's the fear of what the people around me will become, once TSHTF.

    Which is why I encourage reading of One Second After; he gives a GREAT, and I think very realistic picture, of what a society degenerating into desperation quickly becomes.
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    Note to self: Buy more ammo.

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    Just last week I ran into someone I hadn't seen in quite awhile and of course they asked how I was doing and what I was doing. I told them I tend to my gardens and have been spending alot of time with family and friends and nothing out of the ordinary really. They proceeded to tell me "when the economy collapses they are coming to my house". I said ok, bring your own food. They said "no, we want to eat your food". I said good luck on that.

    I have never told them I prep and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't know that but here again, they seemed to joke and at least acknowledge the economy may collapse and they want to come to my house? Good grief, what's wrong with people. Joking aside, it is getting late in the game and I hope to God these people do "something" for themselves instead of depend on other people to do it for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vicki View Post
    Just last week I ran into someone I hadn't seen in quite awhile and of course they asked how I was doing and what I was doing. I told them I tend to my gardens and have been spending alot of time with family and friends and nothing out of the ordinary really. They proceeded to tell me "when the economy collapses they are coming to my house". I said ok, bring your own food. They said "no, we want to eat your food". I said good luck on that.

    I have never told them I prep and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't know that but here again, they seemed to joke and at least acknowledge the economy may collapse and they want to come to my house? Good grief, what's wrong with people. Joking aside, it is getting late in the game and I hope to God these people do "something" for themselves instead of depend on other people to do it for them.
    Yup, simply because you said you 'garden'. Your 'garden' may be a two tomato plants and some peppers or it may be much bigger. This is why being prepared to shoot people and hide their bodies will have to be part of the mindset. Farmers are royally screwed.

    Again, this is all assuming that the people coming for you are healthy, organized and stay that way.

    Do what MM said and organize if you can. I can't so one of the huge holes in my preps is setting up some sort of perimeter, not sure how I'll do it but I need to plan now.

    Remember, center mass to drop them and then if you have time head shots to finish them off - and don't do it from a distance 50 feet, shots like that will make things very hairy in your AO. Better have some sort of semi-auto decent caliber too - NOT a .22LR.

    If it all comes down to this it will not be fun; physically, morally, ethically, religiously or legally. Prepare your mindset NOW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minnie mouse View Post
    Note to self: Buy more ammo.
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    Fence, locked gate and plenty of ammo and the mind set to use it!

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    Actually, you might be able to use all those "relatives" with kids to your advantage as far as those perimeter patrols. You would simply have to have the mind set of "taking" the kids to bring up as laborers so to speak. I suppose there are many possibilities as to what happen to the parental units over time. Breeding stock for more labor, etc. It would depend but something to think about. Essentially, they agree to be slave labor for food/safety. Imagine this will be suggested by desperate parents anyway to some extent. You'd really have to think this long term and if I had it in mind I would think of the different families in the area/family that would be optimal for this and then pick them up immediately to increase my powers.

    When I think about the perimeter I think up and down immediately:

    trees (I used to climb the same tree during neighborhood hide & seek day after day and these people NEVER looked up - this is both uncomfortable and if you don't prep it out for the long haul you're trapped if you're outgunned and this would only work optimally when trees were leafed out, but if you have 10 yo Liam from the other family and have taught him to shoot he would be excellent in this situation b/c he'll be skinny as crap anyway);

    we would play hide & seek on horseback and I would pull off the trail and watch them ride right past - never saw me - I was NOT far off the trail, just still; I learned from this also that it's generally a bad idea to race around - people would catch you - it was best to hole up until you could flank them and then you had their butts;

    saw a movie - probably more than one - where you dig a shallow trench and then top it with "terrain" disguised branches - hides the gunner - I think the key is that you have to think about what people just generally do. If you life on a farm or have sheds you learn to look up for critters before you walk in (if it's not often used) right - that kind of thing people in the city never generally have a reason to learn, but then they do have their own set of habits that make them either vulnerable or not. If you had reason to live in both places then you have more resources for your planning. Walkways (again ABOVE) buildings are something a city person might have utilized at one time, but in a rural setting you won't necessarily need this so that might be sort of a surprise for people in these areas.

    okay, so we've covered childhood things - what did we see or learn from our science fiction movies/books - go through this kind of stuff systematically and you can come up with some pretty reasonable ideas that others may never think about because fortunately, most of them weren't thinking to begin with.

    reading book about wwii now and one of the ploys by looters was to take an ambulance, uniforms and then when the troops would come by they waved a white flag -troops yielded to them and then the troops are ambused by the other party blasting out of the back of the ambulance and blowing them to another place.

    Distraction - use a felled tree (Liam pulls the string b/c he's in the next tree and isn't as accurate a shot) to create noise & attention while you blast/slice & dice; bomb (so to speak) your own place so it looks like something it's not (article mentions); what about the "French Chick" in LOST? She had developed a pretty decent perimeter system during her time on the island and most of it was animal/plant based - take a look at what she did - nothing outstanding, but it might give you ideas.

    Again, if you just think about things (what did you see in western movies that worked) and start a "list" then if it might fit your terrain/environment you can flesh it out more. If not, the idea might still be a good one to have pulled into your database to be later fleshed out if you wanted. If you start to think about this then as you just go about day to day you see more options.

    I do this kind of stuff on a daily basis only because I like to plot stories so I have reason to make up some hideous kinds of situations that I hope I would never have to utilize. But, if you need it, my mind has a fiberglass handled hoe that becomes a weapon after the widow suddenly drops the lights when someone enters her cabin on a dark and stormy night. The handle breaks eventually and becomes something entirely different. Sat has other "creatures" but they can be utilized all the same - haha. Sat & I probably would be less helpful on patrol because well, first, we're relatively OLD then other physical liabilities, but crap, we could both come up with ideas & plans quickly. This kind of person can save your life. Once again, what appears to be is not.

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    Good point FD about using the relatives/kids as guards. Thing is we have to feed and arm them. How many do/can you plan for (sort of rhetorical)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker View Post
    Yup, simply because you said you 'garden'. Your 'garden' may be a two tomato plants and some peppers or it may be much bigger. This is why being prepared to shoot people and hide their bodies will have to be part of the mindset. Farmers are royally screwed.

    Again, this is all assuming that the people coming for you are healthy, organized and stay that way.

    Do what MM said and organize if you can. I can't so one of the huge holes in my preps is setting up some sort of perimeter, not sure how I'll do it but I need to plan now.

    Remember, center mass to drop them and then if you have time head shots to finish them off - and don't do it from a distance 50 feet, shots like that will make things very hairy in your AO. Better have some sort of semi-auto decent caliber too - NOT a .22LR.

    If it all comes down to this it will not be fun; physically, morally, ethically, religiously or legally. Prepare your mindset NOW.
    Not arguring with your plan but in a situation like the OP sugests why would you bother to bury the bodies? (other than health reasons.) A body laying at property lines kinda sends a message to others that come along to not cross that line.

    Mm

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    Not arguring with your plan but in a situation like the OP sugests why would you bother to bury the bodies? (other than health reasons.) A body laying at property lines kinda sends a message to others that come along to not cross that line.

    Mm
    My initial thought too. However, bodies stacked up also indicate that there's something to protect at that locale. Not sure if that thinking is correct but it crossed my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker View Post
    This is why being prepared to shoot people and hide their bodies will have to be part of the mindset.
    I will politely disagree with this plan. In a complete SHTF situation, you'd want a population of decomposing bodies scattered around; at a safe distance, of course. Nothing says "unhealthy neighborhood" to pirates like a couple of decomposing bodies on the side of the road. It's not necessary to go to the extreme of heads on a spike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker View Post
    Yup, simply because you said you 'garden'. Your 'garden' may be a two tomato plants and some peppers or it may be much bigger. This is why being prepared to shoot people and hide their bodies will have to be part of the mindset. Farmers are royally screwed.

    Again, this is all assuming that the people coming for you are healthy, organized and stay that way.

    Do what MM said and organize if you can. I can't so one of the huge holes in my preps is setting up some sort of perimeter, not sure how I'll do it but I need to plan now.

    Remember, center mass to drop them and then if you have time head shots to finish them off - and don't do it from a distance 50 feet, shots like that will make things very hairy in your AO. Better have some sort of semi-auto decent caliber too - NOT a .22LR.

    If it all comes down to this it will not be fun; physically, morally, ethically, religiously or legally. Prepare your mindset NOW.

    thats a darn good post...if you have to deal with malcreants, my thoughts are, for the first two, relieve them of their noggins, get a couple ironwood sticks, one inchers will do, put the stick into the noggin, go to the head of your road, plant the whole mess, along with a big sign, "ROAD CLOSED"....and what i got saved is a pair of those big biohazard logos....you know the ones, that design, put them on an old board, and paint "sickness no entry"....hey! it can only help, right? dead heads and bio hazard warning might give a pause for thought, and the rest, just like Mel said in the Patriot, 'aim small, miss small"...fro your viewing enjoyment (funny, how history is circular, isnt it?)


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    Quote Originally Posted by FarmerJohn View Post
    I will politely disagree with this plan. In a complete SHTF situation, you'd want a population of decomposing bodies scattered around; at a safe distance, of course. Nothing says "unhealthy neighborhood" to pirates like a couple of decomposing bodies on the side of the road. It's not necessary to go to the extreme of heads on a spike.
    crows and turkey vultures will make quick work of any flesh....its the seperated noggins, staked up, that will put the fear into any bad guys....you gotta convince the children of darkness, that your tribe will act quickly, lethally and with NO mercy....nothing says this better than a staked up, fly buzzing, half eaten noggin...........anger wont be their emotion, the flee mechanism will most probably take over......and if it doesnt?....round two.......if you make it thru that, hey, let your creativity take over....maybe make a new kind of scarecrow to send the message.

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    This is one of those situations that suck no matter what road you take. You can't do it all alone, but you can't let every Tom, Dick and Brenda into your shelter either. No matter what you do you can only build a life boat so big and can carry only so many people. Hiding will only get you so far for so long.

    There is a reason people had large families and belonged to tribes and villages. They had to work together to survive, neighbours and communities pulled together to defend themselves and make a rough life easier.

    I think that we've gotten away from such practices because we don't need other people to survive today. That will all change rather quickly when the fecal material hits the fan and the fan stops working all together. Pray that it never comes to that.....because life is going to get VERY MESSY for quite a while until the dust settles.

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    Someone today was telling me about her father's story about how his mother used to put up blackberries every year. The 2 boys would go out and twack down a trail for the girls and then all were required to pick every day. He told her that they filled several 5 gallon buckets each day and then the mom would put them up and then they would have pie each Sunday for the year (lucky dogs!). But some young kids that you actually taught and worked with and protected could well increase the productive powers of the group and save these families as well. Share croppers did it for many a moon. It's risky, sure, but if you're a leader you should be able to pull it off. If you can't get them to do what needs to be done, then out the door same as it was. I believe that the same streak of independence that has made us great also puts us at risk.
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    Throughout history, the fate of fixed positions under attack has usually been pretty one-sided...

    In a broader scope... see the following:
    http://shtfschool.com/survival-psych...-can-do-today/
    ...

    Think about it this way, you are now in complete different world. Living every day like humans live. SHTF will be like moving on to a new, less civilized more brutal and unfair world. Like a fish in aquarium. When SHTF that aquarium breaks and you get flushed down toilet and have to swim in sewers. It is dirty and there are other predator fish out to get you. When the world changes you have to be ready to change too and from my experience many people could not.

    If you hear this you might think, Selco has been in war so he describes very brutal situations I hopefully never experience. True, but in any crisis when people feel threatened they will turn unfair and every crisis will bring new situations. So when you practice this you will be better prepared not only for violent extreme SHTF, but for everything life can throw in your way.

    If you are member of my course you will know from the interviews how unfair and wrong things can go. This helps to get better understanding of what to expect. Less surprises and hearing about successful ways to survive gives you a big advantage. But practice makes perfect so while theory is very important, a book warrior will never outrun someone who has real practice or experience.

    Adjusting your life to do things not the typical human way and putting yourself in unfamiliar situations is one small change that can make you more confident when things get tough. Start doing it… better today than tomorrow. For some time now there will not be a better tomorrow.
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    Firedance brings up a good point. If, and that's a big "if", you're actually willing to include someone else in your preps, especially if you've warned them before and they haven't listened or done anything themselves, you need to make sure they understand that they will have to earn access to those preps. That means any kids as well, beyond babies up to maybe 3-4 years. Small children can still do chores, larger children can assist with gardening and other manual labor, and teenagers can do patrols in conjunction with adults. Make sure the adults realize they and their kids will be doing more work than you because of their lack of foresight. They will be paying for their food each and every second they're with you, and they will never get to the point where they have "paid their dues". They will never be entitled to any of your supplies at any time, and they will have limited or no choice as to what they receive.

    Also, keep in mind that, unless you own a large farm or rural property, there won't be all that much work to do, so they will be paid in kind. Small amounts of labor equate to small amounts of food (there can be some leniency on the part of children; hard work for a child is not the same for an adult). If they bring more folks with them, then the total amount of work done will be spread across more people, but then so will the amount of food distributed.

    I shouldn't have to tell you that if this is even remotely a possibility for you, you should get extra supplies put away as soon as possible to accomodate the extra mouths. Also, if there will only be extra food for a limited time, then make that clear from the beginning, and constantly throughout the time they are with you; your guests have X months of food from you, but they have to be looking for their own supplies, and they will be cut off no arguments when that limit is reached. Make sure you are able to make that stick, at gunpoint if necessary.

    I wouldn't recommend this, especially not if you can only provide limited support (they'll still know you have more, and may come back later to take what you have, and then they'll know all about your security etc). However this may not be avoidable for some, so I hope these tips will help.
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    Other tips to discourage infiltrators, beyond heads on stakes (with "looter" signs just to drive the point home), are to make your AO look as unhealthy as possible. Let the weeds grow long on your property. Spread junk around to make it look unkempt. "Distress" your house to make it look run-down. If there's more than a couple of folks with you, have the most unhealthy-looking male ready to run off trespassers; use makeup to make him look ill, and possibly crazy (darken the eyesockets, make cheeks look hollow, make teeth look dirty/rotten etc). Coach him to be somewhat incoherent and otherwise act slightly unbalanced. Also, don't have a neat garden all lined up in rows; plant your garden so that it looks just like the weeds, and only weed selectively. Protect your plants, but have enough junk growing around them that it takes a careful eye to see the produce among the weeds.
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