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CRISIS The Four Horsemen (Ongoing)
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    The Four Horsemen (Ongoing)

    I posted this in the "Winds of War" thread but thought it would be a good stand-alone.

    While there is nothing "earth shattering" going on right now in the news, a quick scan of the headlines the last few days comes up with the following. When you step back and look at the whole picture, I can't seem to get this image out of my head:










    U.S. Considering Support For Arming Syrian Rebels
    http://thinkprogress.org/security/20...syrian-rebels/

    Crisis-led suicide epidemic
    http://www.rt.com/news/greece-double...de-crisis-136/

    Japan breaks oil embargo against Iran before Baghdad talks end
    http://www.debka.com/article/22022/

    Iran has enough uranium for five nuclear weapons, claims US think tank
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...uclear-weapons

    China's looming economic crisis
    http://www.nst.com.my/opinion/column...crisis-1.87771

    24 Year old woman killed for tip money
    http://heraldbulletin.com/breakingne...ged-1-at-large

    Turn Out The Lights - Largest U.S. Cities Becoming Cesspools Of Filth, Decay And Wretchedness
    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/a...d-wretchedness

    Former Fukushima Daiichi Worker: ‘I believe the country will be evacuated if No. 4 fuel pool collapses’ — ‘Should be hundreds or thousands of people working furiously every day’
    http://enenews.com/former-fukushima-...usly-every-day

    Discovery of Barnabas Bible "Will Collapse Christianity" - Predicts Coming of Muhammad
    http://www.theweepingeagle.com/2012/....html?spref=tw

    Could Superman be gay? DC Comics: one of their popular characters comes out of the closet
    http://www.foxnews.comhttp//www.foxn...ters-come-out/

    Gay superhero to marry partner in Marvel Comics issue
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/offbeat/story...y-wedding.html

    Gene discovery could lead to birth control pill for men
    http://www.foxnews.comhttp//www.foxn...-pill-for-men/

    Panetta: U.S. is Ready to Stop Iran from Creating Nuclear Weapons
    http://nationaljournal.com/nationals...apons-20120527

    Iran refuses IAEA visit to suspect nuke site
    http://thehimalayantimes.com/fullNew...&NewsID=333734

    Iran plans to build two new nuclear power plants
    http://www.emirates247.com/news/worl...05-27-1.460405

    Greece Could Implode the Second Bailout and the EU by Mid-June
    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article34874.html

    Naked man killed by Police near MacArthur Causeway was ‘eating’ face off victim
    http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/2...macarthur.html

    US prepares multi-front proxy war against Syria
    http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31045

    Half of American Households Living on Government Benefits
    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katehic...nment_benefits

    School Defends Using Electroshock Torture On Autistic Kid 31 Times In Seven Hours
    http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/201...-hours-138661/

    NYTimes: “Oregon could lie in the path of any new radioactive plumes” from Fukushima
    http://enenews.com/nytimes-oregon-co...from-fukushima

    30,000 Drones Over America - Weaponized Police State
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIPFkJtOO10

    Russian arms shipment en route to Syria
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...84O12F20120525

    Texas honor student jailed for missing too much school
    http://refreshingnews99.blogspot.in/...r-missing.html

    Texas schools to begin tracking students with IDs embedded with RFID chips
    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/05/...-tracking.html

    *Just In* AP: Bulging wall at Fukushima Unit 4 causing concern — Gov’t regulators order new investigation of fuel pool and reactor building
    http://enenews.com/ap-concerns-over-...actor-building

    Cops Taser Pregnant Woman 3 Times Over Driving Violation
    http://www.federaljack.com/?p=175223

    District Attorney Covers Up Romney Felony Case With Fake Investigation
    http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.co...tigation/15473

    Fukushima Nuclear Cesium Fallout Equals 4,023 Hiroshima Bombs
    http://www.examiner.com/article/fuku...iroshima-bombs

    UN Says Radiation Levels are Safe
    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/05/...-are-safe.html
    Ephesians 5:11 - " Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. ”

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    You're sure right on that. But if we look at "right now", and didn't have the internet to feed our emotions, how bad would things look then? Wars? Nothing major. Economy, but not a depression. Health. Many living to a ripe old age. How much fuel would be added to the fire about race's if there was no internet? Probably not a whole lot.

    Fukushima? Next to nothing. Solar flares? What's that?

    Preps? Lot's of canning like years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansa44 View Post
    You're sure right on that. But if we look at "right now", and didn't have the internet to feed our emotions, how bad would things look then? Wars? Nothing major. Economy, but not a depression. Health. Many living to a ripe old age. How much fuel would be added to the fire about race's if there was no internet? Probably not a whole lot.

    Fukushima? Next to nothing. Solar flares? What's that?

    Preps? Lot's of canning like years ago.
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    Thank you for posting all the links in one place. I've been seeing more and more doom and gloom posts lately than I can remember in the last 8 years, but didn't take the time to even try and organize them. Yeah, I know there's tons more, but these are enough to show that things are NOT in real good shape. Also, you didn't even touch on what's going on in the world's economic systems. Sheesh!

    Be careful out there, people. Be prepared.

    Kajun
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    That was quite a list. Agreed, thanks for posting them together Ragnarok.

    Yikes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXKajun View Post
    Thank you for posting all the links in one place. I've been seeing more and more doom and gloom posts lately than I can remember in the last 8 years, but didn't take the time to even try and organize them. Yeah, I know there's tons more, but these are enough to show that things are NOT in real good shape. Also, you didn't even touch on what's going on in the world's economic systems. Sheesh!

    Be careful out there, people. Be prepared.

    Kajun
    And we haven't seen the famine and disease yet. (4th horseman)

    That picture captures the calamity in the personification of each of the horsemen.

    Consider this; we are not even in the time of the end as of now. Hang on, the ride is to get really serious soon enough.
    Last edited by RJC; 05-28-2012 at 08:17 AM.

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    Well, I'm sure glad I won't be here when the first horseman appears... And if I'm wrong, I'm still going to trust in my Lord Jesus, the Captian of my Salvation.

    We are already seeing judgment taking place among the various nations and the world's economic system.

    As the darkness grows, God's Light will shine even brighter and soon, the Son's of God A.K A. the Glorious Church will be manifested...

    Our bodily redemption draws nearer...

    It's time to draw nearer to God and enter the secret place in Him...

    Maranatha!
    How we perceive the nature of God dictates our response to the things He shows us. If we see Him as loving and kind, we will reach out in compassion, extending His peace and healing to all who are in need—believers and nonbelievers alike...
    If we see Him as judgmental and vengeful, we will sit back and do nothing, or act only on behalf of our families and those we love.


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    Good post Ragnarok!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daytonabill0001 View Post
    Well, I'm sure glad I won't be here when the first horseman appears... And if I'm wrong, I'm still going to trust in my Lord Jesus, the Captian of my Salvation.

    We are already seeing judgment taking place among the various nations and the world's economic system.

    As the darkness grows, God's Light will shine even brighter and soon, the Son's of God A.K A. the Glorious Church will be manifested...

    Our bodily redemption draws nearer...

    It's time to draw nearer to God and enter the secret place in Him...

    Maranatha!
    I will put my opinion out there and you can do what you want with it. The seals are being broken now. The First Seal represents the Antichrist Kingdom. It's symbol is a bow without arrows. Islam's symbol is a crescent moon which looks like a bow without arrows. The Antichrist Kingdom claims to come in the name of peace but brings war. Islam claims to be the religion of peace but has always been violent. The Antichrist Kingdom is a kingdom and a religion. Islam is a kingdom and a religion. The Antichrist Kingdom cuts off heads if people don't accept their religion. Islam cuts off heads if people don't accept their religion. The Second Seal is war. The whole world is currently at war with Islam. We are not at war with terrorism. That is like saying WWII was a war against Kamikazeism. Islamists attracted the World Trade Center. Islamists are killing people in the name of Allah. Don't bother correcting me and saying it is radical islam. It isn't a few people. It is nations full of people that are following what the Koran says. They are not radicals. They just believe what their religion teaches. The Third Seal is economic collapse and if I have to explain that, then the reader is truly blind. The Fourth Seal is death by famine and war. We have not experienced that yet in the USSA, but don't tell the people in Egypt, Syria, or Zimbabwe that the seal has not been broken. It won't be long now before we experience it too. The Fifth Seal is persecution of Christians. Tell the Coptics that one hasn't been broken. You won't find this statistic on the MSM but a Christian dies every 3 seconds just for being a Christian. Again, don't assume because it hasn't reached the USSA yet that the seal hasn't been broken yet. The Sixth Seal is a great earthquake followed by the sun going black, the moon turning blood red and the stars falling from the sky. This is described in Revelation 6 and also in Matthew 24.

    Compare Matthew 24 to Revelation 6. In Rev. 6:2 the 1st Seal is opened and the 1st horseman rides. He represents the Antichrist and his kingdom. In Matt. 24:5, Jesus says false christs shall arise. In Rev. 6:3-4 the 2nd Seal is broken and the 2nd horseman rides. He represents war. In Matt. 24:6 Jesus says there will be wars and rumors of wars. In Rev. 6:5-6 the 3rd Seal is broken and the 3rd horseman rides. He represents economic collapse leading to famine. In Rev. 6:7-8 the 4th Seal is broken and the 4th horseman rides. He represents death by famine and war. In Matt. 24:7 Jesus says there will be famine and wars. In Rev. 6:9-10 the 5th Seal is broken and there is persecution of Christians. In Matt. 24:9, Jesus says there will be persecution of Christians. In Rev. 6:12-14 the 6th Seal is broken and there is a great earthquake. The sun goes black, the moon turns to blood red, and the stars fall from the sky. In Matt. 24:29, the sun is darkened, the moon doesn’t give it’s light, and the stars fall from the heaven. The Apostles asked Jesus what would be the signs He is returning and the end is near. Jesus describes what happens when the Seals are broken. The events are the same and in the same order and end with the same signs in the sun, moon and stars.

    In Revelation when the Seventh Seal is broken in heaven there is silence for half an hour. I have heard preachers try to explain that by saying everyone is in awe of what is about to happen. Give me a break. There is silence in heaven because no one is there. In Matthew 24 after the signs in the sun, moon and stars it says:

    Matt 24:30-31
    30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
    KJV
    That is the Rapture. The seals have been broken. Just look around. He is coming soon. That is my two cents put out here in front for consideration. If you want to argue that Matthew 24 is after the 7 years of judgment, then it would probably be better in the religion section. I have posted about it there before, but not many people read there.
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    Very interesting! I haven't come to a conclusion myself about it all. I did an interesting study the other day concerning the abomination of desolation; concluded that no one really knows what it means. There are many different views and I consider them important because..if it is speaking of these days, it is a clue as to what kind of situation we face. In some early text; the abomination was a name for the false god Jupiter. I don't know but wonder if it might mean that stars falling down might refer to the bad angels..like in the days of Noah. Maybe one named Jupiter?? That demands worship?

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    Beelbill, very good imput!
    "all they that hate Me love death." Proverbs 8:36. "Why do the heathen rage, and the people image a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves and the rulers take counsel together against the LORD and against His Anointed." Ps 2:1,2."The agencies of evil are combining and consolidating, they are strengthening for the last great crisis."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelbill View Post
    I will put my opinion out there and you can do what you want with it.
    Beebill, I truly respect you having your own opinion, Jesus does too... In fact He said repeatedly (paraphrased), "Be it done unto you according to your faith..."

    Me, I prefer to believe as I hear the Holy Spirit tell it. No offense intended, ok?

    That is the Rapture. The seals have been broken. Just look around. He is coming soon. That is my two cents put out here in front for consideration. If you want to argue that Matthew 24 is after the 7 years of judgment, then it would probably be better in the religion section. I have posted about it there before, but not many people read there.
    I can't blame them, can you, honestly? No one likes to hang around wherever the spirit of division is allowed free reign...

    I have found that in most forums, the religion discussion rooms could be likened to 'beat down' rooms, or fight clubs. Very distasteful and shameful, in my opinion... I tend to let the peace that comes down from God and the Word, be my judge in such things...

    Anyway, very soon, all of us will see which way this is going to unfold and the ones who will not change in the face of incontrovertible evidence after the fact, will be the ones found to be practicing false religion. I am very confident that the esteemed members of this board will not be in that group... That would be akin to someone telling you that your hair is on fire and you are calmly denying it...
    How we perceive the nature of God dictates our response to the things He shows us. If we see Him as loving and kind, we will reach out in compassion, extending His peace and healing to all who are in need—believers and nonbelievers alike...
    If we see Him as judgmental and vengeful, we will sit back and do nothing, or act only on behalf of our families and those we love.


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    Confirmed: US and Israel created Stuxnet, lost control of it
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    US charges Russia with pushing Syria into civil war, as
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    Another lousy jobs report -- is a second recession on the way?
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    ( Rags says that it was just smoke and mirrors that we ever got out of the first depression ( Yes, we have been in a depression since 2008 ))

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    Ephesians 5:11 - " Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. ”

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    "Fight the good fight of faith"

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    Head of World Bank warns Europe is heading for 'danger zone' as world markets suffer bleakest day of the year so far
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...st_read_module

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    http://www.businessinsider.com/raoul...nd-game-2012-6

    Clinton: U.S. needs to see 'concrete actions' from Iran by Moscow talks
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-e...talks-1.433902

    Would you send your child to Fukushima to help clean up debris?
    Apparently a number of parents say yes and even pay a chunk of change for their kid's educational opportunity at the new 'ground zero.'

    A contingent of 10 students and two professors from Middle Tennessee State University will leave Nashville early Monday, June 4, to participate in the cleanup and rebuilding mission in Fukushima, Japan.

    Each student will pay a fee of $1,000 to cover all instruction fees, lodging and international airfare from Nashville to Japan.

    http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/20...fukushima.html

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    http://refreshingnews99.blogspot.com...epting-17.html

    The 86 million invisible unemployed
    http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/03/news...ployment-rate/

    'Greek Drachma' on Bloomberg ticker (PHOTO)
    http://rt.com/business/news/greek-dr...rg-trades-769/
    Ephesians 5:11 - " Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. ”

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    I saw video of that abomination MADONNA and her opening act in Israel last night...talk about blatant satanism...
    There is another type of warfare—new in its intensity, ancient in its origin—war by
    guerrillas, subversives, insurgents, assassins; war by ambush instead of by combat, by
    infiltration instead of aggression, seeking victory by eroding and exhausting the enemy
    instead of engaging him. It preys on unrest.
    JFK 1962

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    Beelbill : The whole world is currently at war with Islam. We are not at war with terrorism. That is like saying WWII was a war against Kamikazeism.

    Outstanding way of putting it into words.
    Best sentence of the post, and the reason why a war on terror is not the answer and only distracts us from our main focus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squidpup View Post
    ROFLMAO!! Man that is hilarious...Death, War, Pestilence...and Gumby...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansa44 View Post
    You're sure right on that. But if we look at "right now", and didn't have the internet to feed our emotions, how bad would things look then? Wars? Nothing major. Economy, but not a depression. Health. Many living to a ripe old age. How much fuel would be added to the fire about race's if there was no internet? Probably not a whole lot.

    Fukushima? Next to nothing. Solar flares? What's that?

    Preps? Lot's of canning like years ago.
    Which explains why Jesus said of the times that are coming: "Like a SNARE (a trap snapping! on its prey) it shall come upon the whole world..."

    But of us, who believe and thus are LOOKING for the "signs and seasons", He says, "But you, brethren, are not of the night, that that day should come upon you as a thief..."
    The only "change" I CAN believe in: I Corinthians 15: 51-52!


    WAKE ME WHEN IT'S OVER....

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    Asia stocks tumble, Tokyo hits 28-year low amid global rout
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    Ephesians 5:11 - " Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. ”

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    When Jesus opens a seal, events happen on earth. But they don't just happen. Men through their own sin create those events. Jesus breaks the first seal but the antichrist kingdom is created by men. Likewise, Jesus breaks the second seal but war is started by men. You go all the way through the seals and it is men and their sin and stupidity that results in the fulfillment of the symbolism of the breaking of the seals. That is true until we reach the sixth seal. It begins with a giant earthquake followed by the sun going black, the moon turning blood red, and the stars disappearing. That would not at first appear to be the direct fault of men, but rather a direct act of God. But, thanks to Cappy, I have recently heard about the possibility that men can create earthquakes. Could it be that when the next seal is broken, it will again be men and their own lust for power that creates the earthquake? Does Jesus come back because we are about to destroy ourselves if He doesn't? Can we look at the politics of today to guess when a major earthquake might happen?
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    Does Jesus come back because we are about to destroy ourselves if He doesn't?
    Yes, He does...

    Matthew 24:22 - " And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. "
    Ephesians 5:11 - " Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. ”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarok View Post
    Great image.

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    Personally, I've given up trying to figure out how YHVH will establish His Kingdom; it's enough for me to know that He is doing it.

    Quit worrying about the details; our Father knows what He's doing!
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    China defends stance with Russia on Syria
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-p...711976602.html

    Israelis to view Venus eclipsing the sun for last time until 2117
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national...sEnabled=false

    Why are Israel and America suddenly speaking so openly about cyber warfare?
    http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/the-axi...sEnabled=false

    Turkey says over 2,000 Syrians flee in 3 days
    http://www.onenewspage.com/n/Middle+...ns-flee-in.htm

    U.S. aid agency warns of ‘overlooked’ food crisis in Yemen
    http://www.onenewspage.com/n/Middle+...80%99-food.htm

    ‘2200 nuclear warheads ready to fire’
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/244720.html

    Israel and the US to discuss new Iran sanctions
    Israel and the United States are discussing a new raft of sanctions that could be imposed on Iran if the next round of talks between world powers and Tehran fail, Israeli daily Haaretz reported on Monday.US Treasury Undersecretary David Cohen said in an interview with the newspaper the sanctions would be imposed if talks in Russia slated for mid-June failed to halt Iran's nuclear programme.Iran and the so-called P5+1 powers -- the United States, Russia, France, Britain, China and Germany -- have held two rounds of talks already, and are scheduled for a third in Moscow on June 18-19 as a July 1 deadline looms for the enforcement of an EU embargo on Iranian oil."If we don't get a breakthrough in Moscow there is no question we will continue to ratchet up the pressure," said Cohen, who coordinates US sanctions policy against Iran."The important point for the Israeli public to understand and for the Iranian leadership to understand is that if we are not able to make progress on the diplomatic track there is additional pressure that can be brought to bear on the pressure track."Cohen, who arrived in Israel on Sunday for talks on sanctions against Syria and terrorist financing, said Washington was consulting closely with Israel on the issue, Haaretz reported."We have today and over the past years had very close cooperation with the Israeli government across a range of our sanctions programmes. They are a very good partner. They are creative. They are supportive and we will continue to consult with the Israelis," he said.Cohen also discussed sanctions with Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon on Sunday, a statement from the ministry said."We have reached a critical point in time that requires intensive and uncompromising action in the coming months," Ayalon told him."Full implementation of the sanctions against the Central Bank of Iran and the oil embargo must be assured by 1 July 2012," he added.The international community has been pursuing a negotiated solution to Iran's nuclear programme, which Tehran insists is for peaceful civilian energy and medical purposes but the international community believes hides a weapons drive.Israel, the Middle East's sole if undeclared nuclear power, has warned that an Iranian nuclear capability would pose an existential threat to the Jewish state.It has consistently warned that all options remain on the table to prevent Iran from going nuclear, including a military strike.
    http://www.yourmiddleeast.com/7161

    UN atomic watchdog and Iran to meet June 8
    Iran has already been subjected to four rounds of UN Security Council sanctions over its nuclear activities.Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported on Monday that Israel and the United States were discussing a new raft of sanctions if the next round of talks between world powers and Tehran fail."If we don't get a breakthrough in Moscow there is no question we will continue to ratchet up the pressure," US Treasury Undersecretary David Cohen, who coordinates US sanctions policy against Iran, told the paper.
    http://www.yourmiddleeast.com/7162

    US and Iran dig in for long cyber war
    The New York Times reported that President Barack Obama secretly ordered cyber warfare against Iran to be ramped up in 2010 after details leaked out about Stuxnet, which some say came from the US, Israel or both.Ilan Berman, an analyst at of the American Foreign Policy Council who follows Iran, said that with cyber war simmering, Tehran is boosting its defensive and offensive capabilities."They feel like there is a campaign against them and they are mobilizing in response," he said.And the US should therefore be prepared for cyber retaliation from Iran."I think a cyber attack by Iran may not be as robust (as one from China or Russia) but politically it's more likely," he said.Lewis said the US and Iran have been engaged in struggles for the past decade, due to the nuclear issue and suspected Iran involvement with certain forces in Iraq while US forces were deployed there.But he said Flame and other cyber weapons are "not really warfare, it's primarily intelligence collection."Lewis said he was not surprised that the discovery of the virus came from a Russian security firm, Kaspersky, which worked with the ITU."Flame is a way to drive Russia's diplomatic agenda," which includes bringing the Internet under UN control, Lewis said.
    http://www.yourmiddleeast.com/7119

    Israeli firm sees further major offshore gas deposits
    An Israeli company has said there is a high probability of further major natural gas deposits off the northern Israeli coast.A statement released on Sunday by the Israel Opportunity energy exploration partnership said that prospecting at the Pelagic group of deep-sea fields, west of Haifa, showed a potential 189 billion cubic metres (6.7 trillion cubic feet) of gas and 1.4 billion barrels of oil there."The quantity of gas discovered in the licences, and at high probabilities, are the third-largest discovered so far off Israel's shores," Chairman Ronny Helman said."This quantity ensures Israel's energy future for many decades," he said.The existing Leviathan and Tamar fields, 130 kilometres off Haifa, are believed to hold some 450 billion cubic metres (16 trillion cubic feet) and 238 billion metres (8.4 trillion cubic feet) of gas respectively.Israel is pushing to get its new gas fields on line swiftly to make up the shortfall in supply caused by the collapse of imports from neighbouring Egypt."These are initial estimates after exploratory drilling at the start of this year, but the probability that these estimates are realised is highly important, Israeli energy specialist Amit Mor, CEO of consulting firm Eco Energy, told AFP.Israel generates 40 percent of its electricity from natural gas and wants to raise that figure, reducing the use of more costly and polluting diesel and coal.Until last year, Egypt provided 43 percent of Israel's gas but the flow was regularly disrupted after the overthrow of former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak in February 2011.In April this year, Egypt annulled the supply contract altogether.
    http://www.yourmiddleeast.com/7172

    Israel Presents Itself As Haven For Gay Community
    http://www.npr.org/2012/06/04/154279...ty?ft=1&f=1004

    Saudi Arabia among ME countries targeted by new 'Flame' cyber virus
    http://www.zawya.com/story/Saudi_Ara...0120605033020/
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    Ephesians 5:11 - " Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. ”

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    Russian Army Units are Preparing for war in Syria
    http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/6385

    Mystery Iranian deaths amid shadow war
    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/.../?spt=hs&or=tn

    U.N. Infiltrates Education Worldwide
    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/06/...filtrates.html

    Magnitude 6.1 earthquake near Japan's Honshu - USGS
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/0...85415D20120605

    Rubio: We need to prepare public for war with Iran
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmTN5o1Em0o

    Cops Mace 8-Year-Old With Terrett Syndrome In His Classroom
    http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/201...ssroom-141161/

    Supreme Court OKs Police Tasering Pregnant Women
    http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.co...nt-women/15834

    Japan Nuclear Expert: Almost 8,000 square miles now like a ‘Radiation Control Area’ after Fukushima
    http://enenews.com/japan-nuclear-exp...fter-fukushima

    Wary about US moves, China, Russia pledge to priorities ties
    http://mytechnologyworld9.blogspot.i...ia-pledge.html

    18,000+ U.S. Police Departments to Get Sales Pitch From Drone Manufacturers
    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/...o-help-police/

    Assad appoints new Syria prime minister
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...746575268.html

    France calls new Syrian government a masquerade
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...239216,00.html

    Germans scrutinise ties with Israel
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-euro...PublicRSS20-sa

    FBI Probes Leaks on Iran Cyberattack
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ddle_east_news

    Liberman: Iran undoubtedly developing nuclear weapons program
    http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Artic...=272930&R=R101

    Israel working to become global cyber leader
    http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Artic...=272925&R=R101

    Anti-apartheid campaign call for stars to boycott Israel, slam Madonna for Tel Aviv performance
    http://english.alarabiya.net/article...06/218954.html

    'Flame' just the tip of the iceberg
    http://www.jpost.com/International/A...ID=272920&R=R1

    Russia warns Israel against attack on Iran
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/244868.html

    Barbara Walters aids Syria's Assad
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-al-Assad.html

    Turkey Drawn Into Iraq, Iran Oil Dispute
    http://www.npr.org/2012/06/05/154377...te?ft=1&f=1004

    Israeli Bill: Soldiers to be able to demand suspected infiltrators' DNA
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...239193,00.html

    Fukushima Reactor 4 SFP Secondary Cooling System Motor Burned Out
    http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2012/06/r...ng-system.html

    Senior DOJ Officials Knew About & Approved Fast And Furious Gun Running Operation
    http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/vide...video_id=19051

    First American Arrested by Aid of Drone Argues 4th Amendment Violation
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ment-violation

    10 Signs That The Highways Of America Are Being Transformed Into A High Tech Prison Grid
    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/06/...erica-are.html

    Eyewitnesses: Romney Attended Bilderberg 2012
    http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/eye...ource=activity

    Bill Clinton: “We haven’t seen a communist in the United States in over ten years.”
    http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.co...lligence/15854

    An epidemic of beheadings
    http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...over-the-world

    A Country On The Brink Of Collapse
    http://www.testosteronepit.com/home/...#ixzz1wyH4lKbx

    Obama’s air-sea blockade plan for Iran delays Israeli strike
    http://www.debka.com/article/22057/O...rmuz-at-stake-

    Judge Napolitano On Domestic Drone Use
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NSQmOjt6aw

    America In Decline: The New Paradigm of Lowered Expectations
    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/06/...radigm-of.html
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    Pentagon Chief Admits U.S. Is at War in Pakistan
    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012...war-admission/

    US losing patience with Pakistan, says Panetta
    http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Artic...=273076&R=R101

    US to announce countries with waivers to Iran sanctions
    http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Artic...=273075&R=R101

    Finder of ‘Flame’ Virus Tells Israel to “Stop Before It’s Too Late”
    http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/201...-its-too-late/

    US rejected Iranian no nukes offer in 2005
    By Gareth Porter

    WASHINGTON - France and Germany were prepared in spring 2005 to negotiate on an Iranian proposal to convert all of its enriched uranium to fuel rods, making it impossible to use it for nuclear weapons, but Britain vetoed the deal at the insistence of the United States, according to a new account by a former top Iranian nuclear negotiator.

    Seyed Hossein Mousavian, who had led Iran's nuclear negotiating team in 2004 and 2005, makes it clear that the reason the offer was rejected was that the George W Bush administration refused to countenance any Iranian enrichment capability, regardless of the circumstances.

    Mousavian reveals previously unknown details about that pivotal episode in the diplomacy surrounding the Iran nuclear issue in memoirs published Tuesday.

    Mousavian, now a visiting research scholar at Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School, had been a top political aide to former president Hashemi Rafsanjani and head of the foreign relations committee of Iran's Supreme National Security Council during his political-diplomatic career in Iran.

    Mousavian had been entrusted with Iran's most sensitive diplomatic missions, including negotiations on a strategic understanding with Saudi crown prince Abdullah in the early 1990s and with US officials on Afghanistan and Al-Qaeda in 2001 and 2002, his memoirs reveal. He was arrested by the Mahmud Ahmadinejad administration on charges of "espionage" in April 2007.

    The British and US refusal to pursue the Iranian offer, which might have headed off the political diplomatic crisis over the Iranian nuclear program since then, is confirmed by a former British diplomat who participated in the talks and former European ambassadors to Iran.

    Mousavian writes that one of the European negotiators told him that "they were ready to compromise but that the United States was the obstacle".

    The episode occurred a few months after an agreement between Iran and the British, French and German governments on November 15, 2004, on terms for negotiations on "long-term arrangements", during which Iran agreed to maintain a voluntary suspension of enrichment and other nuclear activities.

    The agreement to be negotiated was to "provide objective guarantees that Iran's nuclear program is exclusively for peaceful purposes" as well as "firm guarantees on nuclear, technological and economic cooperation and firm commitments on security issues".

    The EU objective in the talks was to demand a complete end to all Iranian enrichment. At the March 23, 2005, meeting in Paris, the EU called for an indefinite suspension of enrichment by Iran, meaning suspension beyond the negotiations themselves.

    At the same meeting, Iranian negotiators submitted a proposal that included a "policy declaration to convert all enriched uranium to fuel rods" and "committed to getting the Additional Protocol", which would allow the IAEA to make snap inspections on undeclared facilities, ratified by its parliament.

    Conversion of low enriched uranium (LEU) to fuel rods only usable for power plants could have provided a guarantee against using the enriched uranium for nuclear weapons. Iran did not have the capability to fabricate fuel rods, so the implication was that the LEU would have to be shipped to another country for conversion or would have to be done under international auspices within Iran.

    Once the fuel rods were fabricated, it would be practically impossible for Iran to reconvert them for military purposes.

    Peter Jenkins, then the British permanent representative to the IAEA and a member of the British delegation to the Paris meeting with Iran, recalled in an interview with IPS, "All of us were impressed by the proposal."

    The European delegations asked for a break to discuss it among themselves, Jenkins recalled, but soon decided to tell Iran they would "need more time to consider further".

    But the Europeans did not seek to explore the Iranian offer further.
    Mousavian reveals that Iran learned a few weeks after that meeting that the Europeans had no intention of negotiating any agreement that would allow Iran to have any enrichment program. On April 12, 2005, Mousavian recounts, the French ambassador to Iran, Francois Nicoullaud, told him it was impossible for the Europeans to negotiate on the Iranian proposal.

    "For the US the enrichment in Iran is a red line which the EU cannot cross," Mousavian quotes Nicoullaud as saying.

    In June 2009, Nicoullaud signed a statement with five other former European ambassadors to Iran recalling that in 2005 "Iran was ready to discuss a ceiling limit for the number of its centrifuges and to maintain its rate of enrichment far below the high levels necessary for weapons," but that "the Europeans and the Americans wanted to compel Iran to forsake its enrichment program entirely."

    Jenkins recalled that he was aware that no proposal, no matter how forthcoming on assurances against diversion of LEU to a nuclear weapon, would be acceptable to the British government if it involved a resumption of enrichment.

    "I knew in my heart of hearts that this was a waste of time - that it would not fly," he recalled.

    "The British objective was to eliminate entirely Iran's enrichment capability," Jenkins said. "I remember we couldn't even allow Iran to have 20 centrifuges for R&D [research and development] purposes because we ourselves had mastered the technology with even fewer than that."

    The Iranians had made clear to the European three that they could not agree to any loss of their right to enrich, according to Jenkins, but the Europeans hoped that it was merely an opening negotiating position.

    "I don't think we realized fully in March 2005 that Iran was not prepared to give up enrichment as the price of a settlement," Jenkins recalled. "We believed that if we could come up with sufficient incentives and scare Iran with the threat of referral to the [United Nations] Security Council, they would give in."

    After reading Mousavian's minutes of the meeting with Nicoullaud, the Supreme Leader instructed his nuclear policy coordinator, Hassan Rowhani, to restart the uranium conversion facility at Isfahan. Iran had included the conversion facility in its suspension of enrichment activities only with great reluctance under the pressure of the European negotiators.

    Meanwhile, Mousavian made the rounds to try to persuade the Europeans to accept an Iranian offer to ensure that it would not divert uranium to nuclear weapons. He recalls offering his German counterpart, Michael Schaefer, in Berlin yet another proposal that had not yet been cleared by Iranian leaders.

    Under the Mousavian proposal, Iran would have resumed uranium conversion at the Isfahan plant but would have exported its product to "an agreed-upon country" in exchange for yellowcake, the form uranium takes prior to enrichment.

    At a later stage of the proposal, Iran would have begun enrichment at Natanz with some 3,000 centrifuges, but again would have exported all the enriched uranium to "an agreed-upon country".

    While those extraordinary arrangements were being carried out, Mousavian proposed, negotiations on a "final compromise" on "objective guarantees of non-diversion" and EU "firm guarantees" on comprehensive relations with Iran would continue for a maximum of one year, and that Iran would adopt a timetable for enrichment agreed upon with the EU "based on Iran's fuel requirements".

    Schafer encouraged Mousavian to pursue the proposal with the French and British, and French political director Stanislas Lefabvre Laboulaye told him it would depend on the British response.

    But Mousavian writes that the British director general for political affairs, John Sawers, told him that the Bush administration "would never tolerate the operation of even one centrifuge in Iran".

    After his round of meetings with the Europeans, Mousavian was informed by Rowhani that the package he had proposed had been accepted by the Iranian leadership, based on a minimum of 3,000 centrifuges and a one-year limit on the negotiations. But a third condition was that the Europeans had to agree on the plan before the August Iranian presidential election.

    The third condition suggests that Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei did not want either of the two presidential candidates, Hashemi Rafsanjani or Ahmadinejad, to get credit for the agreement with the Europeans.

    The conversion of the bulk of Iranian low enriched uranium to fuel rods after being exported to France or Russia was the basis for the Barack Obama administration's diplomatic proposal to Iran in October 2009.

    The Ahmadinejad government negotiated with the US and European diplomats on the proposal, but in the end Iran was not willing to part with as much as 80% of its stockpile of enriched uranium without getting any change in US policy in return.

    Gareth Porter is an investigative historian and journalist specializing in US national security policy. The paperback edition of his latest book, Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam, was published in 2006. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NF07Ak01.html
    The Turks’ cold war against Israel
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...ped+Columnists

    Netanyahu: Sanctions not slowing Iran Nuclear program by ‘one millimeter’
    http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2012...ter-netanyahu/

    Benjamin Netanyahu says world powers are demanding 'practically nothing' of Iran
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...g-of-Iran.html

    U.S. Aides in Israel Give Assurances About Iran
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/07/wo...iran.html?_r=2

    Bank Runs, Food Shortages, Riots, Looting, Blood in the Streets. And That's Just Greece: 10 Things to Prepare for NOW
    http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2230/...e_for_NOW.html

    TIME Magazine Cover "How to Die" Pull the plug on momma and get a cash bonus!
    Inside the issue, you'll find an article explaining why you should pull the plug on your own dying parents and kill them off from starvation or dehydration because it saves money!

    Yep, killing off your elderly parents or grandparents is being promoted as the new solution to health care in America

    http://www.naturalnews.com/036100_de..._Magazine.html

    US calls for tougher sanctions on Syria
    http://mytechnologyworld9.blogspot.i...-on-syria.html

    Colorado Asks Unemployed To Pay Back $128 Million In Jobless Benefits
    http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.co...benefits/15906

    Pictures - Tsunami debris draws crowd on Oregon Coast
    http://www.kval.com/news/local/Tsuna...lery&c=y&img=4

    Giant piece of tsunami debris washes up in Oregon — Biologists shocked by what they found — “This makes us rethink everything” (VIDEO)
    http://enenews.com/giant-piece-of-ts...ey-found-video

    Massive Fish Kill Outside Tokyo Described As Apocalyptic

    http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/201...lyptic-141861/

    Japanese Official: ‘They are telling a lot of lies’ — ‘Their children were also sacrificed’
    http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/201...ificed-141501/

    Radiation Hitting the Streets of LA
    http://theintelhub.com/2012/06/06/ra...streets-of-la/

    The US Labor Market Is In A Full-Blown Depression
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/us-lab...own-depression

    80 Radioactive "Hotspots" found in NYC
    http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2006/10/22798.php

    Clinton: U.S. willing to work with Russia for orderly Assad ouster
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-e...sEnabled=false

    Annan to present last-ditch bid to solve Syria crisis, amid reports of new massacre
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-e...sEnabled=false

    China’s Epidemic of Drug-Resistant Tuberculosis Turning Worse
    http://topnews.ae/content/211951-chi...-turning-worse

    Putin: We support peaceful Iranian nuke program
    http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/N...ID=273055&R=R1

    Russia, China and partners call for non-intervention in Syria, Iran
    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/07/wo...Middle+East%29

    France condemns Israeli PM’s plan to expand Beit El settlement
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/245036.html

    Brzezinski: Don’t be emotional on Syria
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/245028.html

    Iran renews call for fresh world order
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/244998.html
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    last few days i was trying to recall why my hair felt like it was on fire.

    reading this, now i remember.
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
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    Quote Originally Posted by jed turtle View Post
    last few days i was trying to recall why my hair felt like it was on fire.

    reading this, now i remember.
    THIS.

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    Just reading post 28 has me gasping for air! And that's just the titles!!!

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    I nominate the image in the OP as our new "official" board logo....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    I nominate the image in the OP as our new "official" board logo....
    I second that.

    Very appropriate.

    Copyright issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    I nominate the image in the OP as our new "official" board logo....
    Not the one I posted?
    "Fight the good fight of faith"

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    Very good thread. I was lead to do piece on the horsemen in light of the series of high powered conferences that are soon wrapping up, including Bilderberg.

    Arsenic & Black Chantilly Bildeberg Lace. I didn't have a good image though...

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    This post is from Celeste. Beginning with the power of One, and working down to the chaotic international scene, including, but not limited to the local, state, and national levels. No sacred cows, if it is a document, it is fair game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Just reading post 28 has me gasping for air! And that's just the titles!!!

    And that says nothing about post 27 or post 25. When I read these headlines and click through to some of the articles I know where some of my "foreboding feelings" have been coming from. Great effort Ragnarok!!

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    "And we haven't seen the famine and disease yet. (4th horseman)"

    Ummm...that would be Sudan....
    "You're not living in the story the world tells you you're living in. The story is not about the Clash of Civilizations, the March of Progress, the American Dream, the Rise of Civilization or the Struggle of Race, Class, and Gender. It's about the triumph of Jesus Christ in rescuing us from this passing world and bringing us into eternal ecstasy and perfection."---Mark Shea

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    Wow, this just reinforced that underlying feeling of dread and it’s coming soon in the pit of my stomach….

    … Even as a voracious reader and searcher … when the world today’s headlines are posted all in a group … it sure can become overwhelming

    Got to remember to breath deep and prep steady… keep to the plan … don’t burn yourself out …

    … thanks to Ragnarok and the rest of you that contributed such a concise series of postings

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    Quote Originally Posted by FREEBIRD View Post
    "And we haven't seen the famine and disease yet. (4th horseman)"

    Ummm...that would be Sudan....
    I agree. Also, Christian persecution is already here with a Christian dying every 3 seconds for being a Christian. But, we haven't seen them in the US yet. Things will get worse before He comes.
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