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    6 This May Surprise You, Dennis...

    but after voting for Clinton in 1992 and after what happened @ Waco due to the direct orders coming from Reno and HRC, I decided either I must lop off my right hand or never vote in another Presidential election. I still have my hand and I have held up the other end of the deal.

    Weird, I guess, for someone like myself who is fascinated with the history of American politics and who spends a lot of time reading all kinds of sources having to do with the electoral process. I believe that ANYONE who is elected in our system will either be corrupted absolutely by TPTB or fail miserably without that support and perhaps be taken out. It's hard to actually get excited about participating when the outcome is so grim and the stakes are that high.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    "Normalcy" being voting for scum yet again? Thanks. I'll pass.


    I have no illusions as to RP's chances, secret "whatevers" or the like. I just can't and WON'T pull the lever for scum. Of either "mainstream party". Never again.
    Hear, hear.

    With Obama, we'll have crisis, quickly.
    With Romney, we'll have crisis, not as quickly.

    Big difference? Good grief no. The same result.

    Just bring it. I'll vote for the person who means to fix things. If he doesn't make it, we deserve what we get, INCLUDING you "Anyone But Obama" people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbkaren View Post
    Hear, hear.

    With Obama, we'll have crisis, quickly.
    With Romney, we'll have crisis, not as quickly.

    Big difference? Good grief no. The same result.

    Just bring it. I'll vote for the person who means to fix things. If he doesn't make it, we deserve what we get, INCLUDING you "Anyone But Obama" people.
    Amen! We don't want to punt this to our kids. Let's get it on and get it over with! We allowed it, we should fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinerbock View Post
    but after voting for Clinton in 1992 and after what happened @ Waco due to the direct orders coming from Reno and HRC, I decided either I must lop off my right hand or never vote in another Presidential election. I still have my hand and I have held up the other end of the deal.

    Weird, I guess, for someone like myself who is fascinated with the history of American politics and who spends a lot of time reading all kinds of sources having to do with the electoral process. I believe that ANYONE who is elected in our system will either be corrupted absolutely by TPTB or fail miserably without that support and perhaps be taken out. It's hard to actually get excited about participating when the outcome is so grim and the stakes are that high.

    I know your comment was directed to Dennis but, I have to say, I am dismayed by the number of people who say they will not vote or have not voted, here and in real life. As I have said many time before, I see voting as a privilege AND an obligation. I understand the position of people who believe voting for the 'lesser of 2 evils is still evil". I understand the position of people who think voting for anyone other than the 2 main parties is a 'vote wasted'. I understand all of that and the ramifications thereof. What I DON'T understand is not voting one's conscience or not voting at all.

    If, given all the scenarios discussed at length here and in the meat world, Obama wins re-election where is the harm in having exercised your God given right to vote, whatever that vote may be? After all, a right not exercised is a right lost.

    Rhetorical question: if all the people who think voting for other than Obama or Romney is a wasted vote actually VOTED, would that influence the election?

    I WILL vote in every election I can until that right, too, is gone or until I die, whichever comes first.
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    You folks who are yelling "bring it on" with reference to WANTING a crisis to come are forgetting one teensy little thing:

    WHAT GUARANTEE do you have that things will be "BETTER" after a "crisis"?

    You're ASSUMING that a "crisis" will result in some new version of America where we "go back to our roots" and everything rights itself and becomes "hunky-dory" again.

    But...that's not the actual history of what plays out when a civilization -- even a corrupt one -- breaks down into chaos.

    When Rome fell...you didn't get a new Rome, or even the peaceful countries that existed before Rome conquered them. You got hordes of barbarians invading Europe, rampaging, killing, and raping---and Europe on fire, with its peoples so frightened for their own safety that they BEGGED the richer "lords" who had their own private armies of mercenaries to protect them to take them under their protection as well---swearing they would gladly SERVE the lord for LIFE if he would just make them safe again---and so feudalism was born, and the Dark Ages, which lasted for 1,000 years....

    When Czarist Russia fell, you didn't get the "worker's paradise" Marx had promised, but rather a new and more terrible "Czar" in the form of an even more oppressive government than before--a monster of oppression that imprisoned its own people across Europe for 80 years...

    When the last Emperor of China fell, the chaos led quickly to the rise of Mao ze-Dong, who wanted to "cleanse" the country---and so he did---of all those who presented the least little threat to the new regime---which turned out to be the capitalists, the former middle-and-upper classes, the academicia, the literate, the Christians, and those who simply loved freedom. What they "got" was NOT the communist paradise promised, but an unending work camp in which ALL the people are slaves working for the new "emperor", the government---from then until now...


    When the communism of China spread to other far east nations, such as Cambodia, the overthrow of their government and the rise of the Khmer-Rouge did NOT lead to a better, more stable society--but rather a blood-bath, as the new rulers "purified" the country to the extent that everyone was driven from the cities to work in the fields, those who even "looked" intelligent (by so innocent a thing as wearing glasses) were killed, and the entire country nearly destroyed itself from within---by the time the Khmer Rouge fell, they had murdered nearly 1/2 the population of the country...

    And THIS is what you WANT for America?

    You think "bringing on" the crisis would be a GOOD thing?

    History tells us, that when civilizaiton breaks down, it is generally replaced--NOT by a self-governed, free-thinking society--but by a tyrant, who rules the people with an iron fist.

    Wouldn't it be better to try to cling to the few rags of the great country we once HAD, than to willfully hand it over to someone we KNOW wants to destroy all that America stands for?

    Wouldn't it be better to try to RE-BUILD what we once were---by choosing leaders (who can WIN) who actually BELIEVE in that vision of our country----than to TRY to precipitate a crisis which will most likely bring a TYRANT to power???

    DO NOT ASSUME that a "crisis" means you get back the America of 1776.

    What you will MUCH more likely get, is Europe after Rome, Russia after the Czar, China after the Emperor, Cambodia after its "revolution".

    Not a better America, but something you will not recognize as America.

    I know the Anti-Christ has to come, but I sure as heck am going to do all I can to postpone that evil day---not bring it closer.

    "Those who learn nothing from history are doomed to repeat it."
    The only "change" I CAN believe in: I Corinthians 15: 51-52!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Countrymouse View Post
    DO NOT ASSUME that a "crisis" means you get back the America of 1776.

    What you will MUCH more likely get, is Europe after Rome, Russia after the Czar, China after the Emperor, Cambodia after its "revolution".

    Not a better America, but something you will not recognize as America.

    I know the Anti-Christ has to come, but I sure as heck am going to do all I can to postpone that evil day---not bring it closer.

    "Those who learn nothing from history are doomed to repeat it."
    And thus we will remain paralyzed by fear. Just where THEY want us.

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    Not a better America, but something you will not recognize as America.


    Hell CM, most of us don't recognize what we have NOW as America. We're going down, either with a bang or a whimper. But it's coming. Would you rather have it over with quickly, or have it last a decade or two...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielboon View Post
    (CNN) - An announcement from Rep. Ron Paul indicates that the Republican presidential candidate will no longer actively campaign for the GOP nomination, but will continue to work to secure delegates at upcoming Republican state conventions.

    <snip>
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...e-campaigning/
    And mark my word, as you can already see from this article, Dr. Paul will now suddenly get an INCREASE in MSM coverage . . . now that he's suspended his active campaign.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Countrymouse View Post
    You folks who are yelling "bring it on" with reference to WANTING a crisis to come are forgetting one teensy little thing:

    WHAT GUARANTEE do you have that things will be "BETTER" after a "crisis"?
    Who in this thread has 'yelled "bring it on" with reference to WANTING a crisis to come'? Who, in this thread, has ever said anything about a guarantee 'things will be better' after a crisis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post

    Not a better America, but something you will not recognize as America.


    Hell CM, most of us don't recognize what we have NOW as America. We're going down, either with a bang or a whimper. But it's coming. Would you rather have it over with quickly, or have it last a decade or two...?
    I'd rather try to RE-BUILD, rather than tear down, or (heaven forbid) just jump off the cliff (by not voting, or by throwing away my vote in such a way that it essentially gives Obama a FREEBIE---HELL no I am NOT going to help that man get re-elected) and throw my country away.

    Yes, it's going down but I'm not going to punch more holes in the boat...
    The only "change" I CAN believe in: I Corinthians 15: 51-52!


    WAKE ME WHEN IT'S OVER....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BertaBurtonLake View Post
    Who in this thread has 'yelled "bring it on" with reference to WANTING a crisis to come'? Who, in this thread, has ever said anything about a guarantee 'things will be better' after a crisis?
    see posts 82 and 83
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    CM, there IS NO REBUILD while the current PTB "beast system" is in-place. These people will never give up their lifestyle or power voluntarily. It will have to be wrested from them, in as devastating an event as our Revolutionary War. In a Utopian scenario, we could peacefully remove one bit at a time, gradually placing "new" systems in their place over an extended period.

    BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, AND YOU KNOW IT.


    So, which will it be? Fast destruction and immediate beginnings of the rebuild, or a long, slow painful descent into chaos before the rebuild can begin. Because realistically, those are your choices. Pick one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    CM, there IS NO REBUILD while the current PTB "beast system" is in-place. These people will never give up their lifestyle or power voluntarily. It will have to be wrested from them, in as devastating an event as our Revolutionary War. In a Utopian scenario, we could peacefully remove one bit at a time, gradually placing "new" systems in their place over an extended period.

    BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, AND YOU KNOW IT.


    So, which will it be? Fast destruction and immediate beginnings of the rebuild, or a long, slow painful descent into chaos before the rebuild can begin. Because realistically, those are your choices. Pick one...
    BINGO, Dennis! And CM, you've already thrown your country away. We all have. There's precious little to save at this point. We've dishonored the blood and sacrifice of our forefathers and denied our God and now we'll have to start all over again (God willing), likely requiring a sacrifice similar to those who fell before us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Countrymouse View Post
    see posts 82 and 83
    Okay, I'll give you those with the caveat I did not perceive 'yelling' nor did I infer a guarantee 'things would be better after' from those cited posts. There have been MANY posts here YELLING 'bring it on' and such and, to me, those were not among them.

    "Yes, it's going down but I'm not going to punch more holes in the boat..."

    I guess I do not see voting as engaging in 'punching more holes in the boat'. All my indicators point to Obama being pResident in 2012. IMO, people who are NOT VOTING have more culpability in that than those who DO VOTE their conscience, whatever that might be.

    I have no quarrel with you, personally. In fact, I admire you. I just see things through a different lens, maybe.....
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    With gun sales being what they have been since 2008, I fear that people are realizing the futility of voting with ballots and are preparing to vote with bullets. God forbid.

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    Kadosh, I was as guilty as everyone else. I voted "party line" up through the 2000 elections. Then in 2004, it was like a veil was lifted, and I finally saw the Beast System for what it is, and the elites who feed and perpetuate that system. I cannot support them again, come what may. We need a reset. We need it fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadosh View Post
    With gun sales being what they have been since 2008, I fear that people are realizing the futility of voting with ballots and are preparing to vote with bullets. God forbid.
    Mayhap yes, mayhap not.

    I will still vote until I cannot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Kadosh, I was as guilty as everyone else. I voted "party line" up through the 2000 elections.
    Sadly, I must confess the same. After G.W., the scales fell off my eyes. NEVER AGAIN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    CM, there IS NO REBUILD while the current PTB "beast system" is in-place. These people will never give up their lifestyle or power voluntarily. It will have to be wrested from them, in as devastating an event as our Revolutionary War. In a Utopian scenario, we could peacefully remove one bit at a time, gradually placing "new" systems in their place over an extended period.

    BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, AND YOU KNOW IT.


    So, which will it be? Fast destruction and immediate beginnings of the rebuild, or a long, slow painful descent into chaos before the rebuild can begin. Because realistically, those are your choices. Pick one...
    Dennis---that's what they said when Jimmy Carter got thorugh destroying this country--and look what Ronald Reagan (in my mind, our last "true" President) did to restore us to what we were meant to be. (and don't anybody start with me about his deficit--I LIVED those days and REMEMBER it--and it was the damn democrats that INSISTED on pumping the budget full of welfare cr** and pork--they told Reagan they wouldn't approve his defense budget unless they got all their "social" --that is, WELFARE---spending, and rather than veto the whole budget and hold things up indefinitely he held his nose and approved the budget THE DEMONCRATS sent him).

    As for things being better after the crisis---Dennis, if you think what we have NOW is the "beast system"---you ain't seen NOTHING yet. When America falls, THEN---THEN the TRUE "BEAST" comes----and God help us all...
    The only "change" I CAN believe in: I Corinthians 15: 51-52!


    WAKE ME WHEN IT'S OVER....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Kadosh, I was as guilty as everyone else. I voted "party line" up through the 2000 elections. Then in 2004, it was like a veil was lifted, and I finally saw the Beast System for what it is, and the elites who feed and perpetuate that system. I cannot support them again, come what may. We need a reset. We need it fast.
    In other words, you 'took the red pill' in 2004. Welcome to the rabbit hole!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BertaBurtonLake View Post
    In other words, you 'took the red pill' in 2004. Welcome to the rabbit hole!
    Life sure seemed less complicated before my eyes were opened. As Bob Seger said, "I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then".

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    Quote Originally Posted by BertaBurtonLake View Post
    Okay, I'll give you those with the caveat I did not perceive 'yelling' nor did I infer a guarantee 'things would be better after' from those cited posts. There have been MANY posts here YELLING 'bring it on' and such and, to me, those were not among them.

    "Yes, it's going down but I'm not going to punch more holes in the boat..."

    I guess I do not see voting as engaging in 'punching more holes in the boat'. All my indicators point to Obama being pResident in 2012. IMO, people who are NOT VOTING have more culpability in that than those who DO VOTE their conscience, whatever that might be.

    I have no quarrel with you, personally. In fact, I admire you. I just see things through a different lens, maybe.....
    You misunderstood me, Berta. I see NOT voting, or throwing a vote away on a conservative candidate who CANNOT win as opposed to voting for (at least) a NON-communist candidate who MIGHT win against the Obomination---THAT is what I see as "punching more holes in the boat". I most definitely am going to vote---and I just can't understand people that reject Romney and say he's the same as Obama. No, he's not as conservative as I would like. No, he's DEFINITELY not a Ronald Reagan. But, as far as I know, he's not gay, he's not adulterous, he's not a murderer, he's not PUSHING abortion (allowing, yes, and I don't like that, but Jesus isn't running), he's not a Muslim, and MOST OF ALL HE"S NOT A COMMUNIST.

    Have folks FORGOTTEN what the communists DID in those countries under their rule? Has it been too long since communism fell, or are they too young, that they don't see it for the EXTREME evil it is? (or socialism, it's first cousin).

    I just can't believe what I'm hearing---that people actually think handing the country over to a murdering homosexual communist and / or allowing it to fall off the cliff into complete chaos is better than TRYING to pull it back from the brink by electing someone who still holds to (at least SOME---as opposed to Obama's NONE) of the original founding principles of this nation.
    The only "change" I CAN believe in: I Corinthians 15: 51-52!


    WAKE ME WHEN IT'S OVER....

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    Dennis---that's what they said when Jimmy Carter got thorugh destroying this country


    We weren't $15 TRILLION in debt, with all of our good paying jobs AND manufacturing infrastructure in Turd Whirled hell-holes NEVER TO RETURN. You simply cannot compare 1980 with 2012. There is absolutely no comparison....


    ETA: And I'll vote. Every election. But I won't vote for THE BEAST or its minions. And I sure wish I was still in the Matrix. Things were so calm and clear in there.... sigh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Dennis---that's what they said when Jimmy Carter got thorugh destroying this country


    We weren't $15 TRILLION in debt, with all of our good paying jobs AND manufacturing infrastructure in Turd Whirled hell-holes NEVER TO RETURN. You simply cannot compare 1980 with 2012. There is absolutely no comparison....
    And electing---or ALLOWING the election of--a COMMUNIST will make that better?

    He believes in MORE debt, not less; he believes in LESS manufacturing because he is against ALL things capitalist.

    A capitalist----vs.----a Communist.

    Clear choice to me.

    And about the "beast system"---I believe, as the Bible teaches, that INEVITABLY someday the "man of sin" has to come, before the Lord Jesus does.

    But that doesn't mean I'm going to try to HASTEN his coming--contrary to what some liberals accuse Christians of. Some libs say Christians WANT the end of the world (a la nuclear war or environmental armageddon or whatever) so that their "Messiah" can come.

    I believe--He IS coming, no matter what I do or don't do---but I don't believe He wants me to allow evil to triumph to 'hasten' His coming. In fact, He told me to keep storming the "gates of hell" and that they would not be able to stand against his Church.

    We should NOT be cowering, waiting for a crisis--we should be on the OFFENSIVE, trying to DEFEAT the evil--not making SURE it WILL take over! (even if we 'do' think some 'crisis' will come out of that takeover that will end in 'good')
    The only "change" I CAN believe in: I Corinthians 15: 51-52!


    WAKE ME WHEN IT'S OVER....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Countrymouse View Post
    Have folks FORGOTTEN what the communists DID in those countries under their rule? Has it been too long since communism fell, or are they too young, that they don't see it for the EXTREME evil it is? (or socialism, it's first cousin).

    I just can't believe what I'm hearing---that people actually think handing the country over to a murdering homosexual communist and / or allowing it to fall off the cliff into complete chaos is better than TRYING to pull it back from the brink by electing someone who still holds to (at least SOME---as opposed to Obama's NONE) of the original founding principles of this nation.
    See, there's the rub, so to speak. There is no pulling back from the brink, IMO. I agree "handing the country over to a murdering homosexual communist" is bad. B.A.D. BAD. The cliff, as you put it, has ALREADY been fallen off of. There is no pulling back from the brink. You are a lovely person and your ideals are those of many. I exercise my last 'ideal' by voting my conscience at the ballot box. After that, who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Countrymouse View Post
    Have folks FORGOTTEN what the communists DID in those countries under their rule?
    I don't think, except for those who lived it, people have ever really KNOWN. It is TOO easy to say 'that happened to someone else, it will never happen to me/us' What will happen will make what you describe and some remember look like a Sunday School picnic.
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    And electing---or ALLOWING the election of--a COMMUNIST will make that better?


    Which communist are you referring to? Obama or Romney. Because they're both commies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BertaBurtonLake View Post
    I don't think, except for those who lived it, people have ever really KNOWN. It is TOO easy to say 'that happened to someone else, it will never happen to me/us' What will happen will make what you describe and some remember look like a Sunday School picnic.
    I've read -- a LOT -- of stories of what life under the communists was like--written BY the people who lived it.

    If anyone would be interested in a reading list:

    Tortured for His Faith by Haralan Popov
    In God's Underground by Rev. Richard Wurmbrand
    Tortured for Christ by Rev. Richard Wurmbrand
    Young Christians in Russia by Michael Bourdeaux and Katharine Murray
    Surrounded by Angels by Andre Morea
    God's Smuggler by "Brother Andrew"
    Beyond the Wall by Hank Paulson with Don richardson
    With God in Red China by Mary Wang
    Brother David: God's Smuggler to China by "Brother David" wtih Sara Bruce and Dan Wooding

    And--for a secular analysis of Russian life under communism, see--

    The Russians by Hedrick Smith
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    Quote Originally Posted by Countrymouse View Post
    I've read -- a LOT -- of stories of what life under the communists was like--written BY the people who lived it.
    Me, too. I have also cared for many of them in their last days, tattoos, horrific experiences, starvation, et al. I also have 'second hand' experience related to me from those who actively tried to keep Communism at bay here.

    I will still vote my conscience. To do otherwise would compromise my soul.
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    I will also vote my conscience. To do otherwise is an offense to my very soul. And I agree with Dennis, both Obama and Romney are communists. They both will push us in the same direction and I refuse to help them push. I WILL vote for Ron Paul regardless if I have to write his name in or not.

    I also quit voting party lines a long time ago. I didn't the last election either. I just can't do it anymore and that is with a lot of prayer before hand. If you think voting the lessor of is not lying to yourself when you vote, then I got news for you. You think you are voting for that slower boat but that is still not good enough now. It's that thought that has gotten us where we are instead of getting our country back.
    You ALLOW the elite to pick who we vote for by voting for the lessor of two evils. I can not do so anymore and I will stand before God with a clear conscience come judgement day on this. I can honestly say I voted for a good man and not a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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    We are in so much trouble.



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    RP never had to have a chance to win for me to of supported him, helping get his message out louder & wider.

    I support who says and does what is right, regardless their chances of convincing enough others to then win.

    If/when we ever do take our country back to its Constitutional roots, we'll have tens of thousands of additional
    patriots standing shoulder-to-shoulder with us then because the good doctor had awakened & inoculated them,
    for life, against socialism and for liberty. I'm proud to have supported him, financially and otherwise, in doing so.

    Exposing the FED banksters monopoly, the lack of any real difference between the establishment republicans &
    democrats, our propaganda laden MSM, along with a lot of the seeds of the Tea Party, all thrived from his efforts.

    Today's growing call to return back to true Constitutional Limited Govt would be much less widespread and much
    less vocal & vibrant if there had never been a Ron Paul running for President, consistently spreading his message
    of freedom and swelling the ranks of now activated patriots, this time and last.

    - Shane
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    Quote Originally Posted by BertaBurtonLake View Post
    I know your comment was directed to Dennis but, I have to say, I am dismayed by the number of people who say they will not vote or have not voted, here and in real life. As I have said many time before, I see voting as a privilege AND an obligation. I understand the position of people who believe voting for the 'lesser of 2 evils is still evil". I understand the position of people who think voting for anyone other than the 2 main parties is a 'vote wasted'. I understand all of that and the ramifications thereof. What I DON'T understand is not voting one's conscience or not voting at all.

    If, given all the scenarios discussed at length here and in the meat world, Obama wins re-election where is the harm in having exercised your God given right to vote, whatever that vote may be? After all, a right not exercised is a right lost.

    Rhetorical question: if all the people who think voting for other than Obama or Romney is a wasted vote actually VOTED, would that influence the election?

    I WILL vote in every election I can until that right, too, is gone or until I die, whichever comes first.







    Hello BBL,

    You're entitled to your opinon that it is my duty to vote but on the other hand this is a free country and I do have a choice in the matter. We have lived in three other states since the 1992 Presidential election and ont not one of the quadrennial opportunities to vote for a Presidential candidate would my vote mattered in the least, not b a long shot.
    The Republican candidate has carried each of the three states by a 20% plus margin in every instance.

    It IS possible to have a conscience and not vote in Presidential elections. It is my most personal form of protest. I have voted in state and local elections when I felt my vote would make a difference for a superior candidate. My conscience is clear and that belief is confirmed with every media gimmick or dirty trick that comes down the pike to keep us in a certain flock. I am content and reaffirmed in my decision nearly every time I watch the news, no matter who is the President or which party produced him.

    To each his own - liberty can be found in many forms of personal choice. I would be more concerned on the day that voting becomes a mandatory function [for a totalitarian candidate] which has happened in many nations in recent decades. Such matters are personal decisions and I'm not interested in the least whether somebody who doesn't know me may or may not respect my free will.

    sb

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    Shinerbock,

    I said I view voting as a privilege and obligation. If you feel otherwise and not voting is your form of protest, I support that.....I may not agree, but I support it. I did not say it is YOUR duty to vote, rather, I have said I feel it an obligation TO ME. I have only stated what I will do in good conscience and asked the rhetorical question "what would happen if those who feel voting is non-effective (for whatever reason) actually voted?".


    Vote, don't vote, vote for 'party'......I don't really care. All I have said is 'I will vote" as long as I am able.

    ETA: Just because I state I don't understand a particular POV does not mean I do not support an individual's right to have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shane View Post
    RP never had to have a chance to win for me to of supported him, helping get his message out louder & wider.

    I support who says and does what is right, regardless their chances of convincing enough others to then win.

    If/when we ever do take our country back to its Constitutional roots, we'll have tens of thousands of additional
    patriots standing shoulder-to-shoulder with us then because the good doctor had awakened & inoculated them,
    for life, against socialism and for liberty. I'm proud to have supported him, financially and otherwise, in doing so.

    Exposing the FED banksters monopoly, the lack of any real difference between the establishment republicans &
    democrats, our propaganda laden MSM, along with a lot of the seeds of the Tea Party, all thrived from his efforts.

    Today's growing call to return back to true Constitutional Limited Govt would be much less widespread and much
    less vocal & vibrant if there had never been a Ron Paul running for President, consistently spreading his message
    of freedom and swelling the ranks of now activated patriots, this time and last.

    - Shane
    And THIS is why Ron Paul is SO important to us. He is waking up the sheep from their slumber and showing them there really could be freedom from tyranny if we only stand up and make our voices heard. It appears that the younger crowd may be braver than some of the older or should I say middle life folks. The ones who would rather take the slow boat then actually get OFF the boat for a change.

    And lastly, I have a question. Why do most of the Ron Paul threads get hijacked? Can't we stick to the subject at hand which is that he has NOT quit but that part slid by the MSM with them throwing their take in on what he really said.

    Then the people who defend voting for the lessor jump on the thread and try to defend the selling out of their heritage by playing the same game over and over again by voting for those that the elite put in front of them and listening to ALL the pundits that say no one but those THEY want can win.

    I pray that Ron Paul wins Texas tonight. That would put a real pain in mitten's behind......
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    We are in so much trouble.



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    The latest from Ron Paul.......he is NOT quitting.....

    Rise for Liberty

    From the very beginning, my campaign for the White House has been about REAL change and true reform.

    It’s been about changing the Republican Party – and more importantly, changing the direction of our country.

    It’s been about renewing respect for the founding principles of limited constitutional government, free markets, and sound money.

    this has never been just a campaign. This is a R3VOLUTION – and so far, it’s been a very successful one.

    And for that, I have wonderful supporters like you to thank.

    But our job isn't over yet. We still have some important work to do.

    To help me make as much of an impact in Tampa - and beyond - as possible, my grassroots supporters are holding a "Rise for Liberty" Money Bomb on May 17.

    This is likely to be the last Money Bomb of my campaign, so I would truly appreciate your contribution.

    Already, thanks to the efforts of good folks like you, my supporters and other liberty-minded folks are now in positions of power within the Republican Party in Alaska, Nevada, Iowa, and elsewhere.

    Tens of thousands of liberty-minded young people are now active in politics and working feverishly for a better tomorrow for our country.

    As much as some in power may not like it, these young people are not going anywhere.

    And liberty candidates are filing to run for office all across the nation at seemingly every level of government.

    Thanks to the hard work and dedication of folks like you, we are the future of the Republican Party.

    But there are many State Conventions set to take place soon throughout the country.

    What happens in each one could have MASSIVE ramifications for years to come.

    For example, the Minnesota Republican Convention is this weekend.

    Iowa, Louisiana, Missouri, and Washington will all soon follow.

    Combined with what we’ve already accomplished, all of these conventions will help determine just how much of an impact you and I can make at the Republican National Convention in August.

    They will determine our influence on the direction of the Republican Party, including the platform and the rules, which – as many of my supporters have learned – will be absolutely critical to the success of future pro-liberty candidates.

    But for my efforts in the remaining State Conventions to be successful, I need you to continue standing with me.

    By maximizing the number of delegates we take to the Republican National Convention, you and I can send a loud-and-clear message to the Republican Party and the national media that our R3VOLUTION is here to stay!

    So I hope I can count on you to make your most generous contribution to the May 17 Rise for Liberty Money Bomb.

    Your contribution will go directly toward winning as many delegates as possible at the remaining State Conventions.

    I truly believe you and I are the future. And I know we cannot be stopped!

    Our work over the next few months will not only determine the level of our success in August, but it will be absolutely essential to ensuring we keep making history beyond Tampa.

    So please plan now to make the most generous contribution you can possibly afford to the Rise for Liberty Money Bomb this Thursday!

    Let’s finish what we started and continue our work to Restore America NOW!

    For Liberty,

    Ron Paul

    P.S. Thanks to all of your hard work over the past year, there’s no denying you and I are now the future of the Republican Party.

    But our job is not done.

    To help me make as much of an impact in Tampa - and beyond - as possible, my grassroots supporters are holding a "Rise for Liberty" Money Bomb this Thursday, May 17.

    I hope you will plan to make your most generous contribution to this effort!



    So, you see, he is not quitting. He is just not going to spend any more millions of supporter's hard earned money on tv ads......
    In his heart a man plans his course, but the Lord determines his steps.
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    We are in so much trouble.



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    http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-cam...belongs-to-us/

    Ron Paul Not Suspending Campaign, It is a Media Hoax
    Memo outlines strategy for influencing party platform at RNC
    Steve Watson
    May 15, 2012

    As the mainstream media continues to idiotically blather on about Ron Paul “quitting”, the campaign is forging ahead, today releasing a memo outlining Paul’s strategy for the GOP national convention.

    “Let me be very clear,” writes chief strategist Jesse Benton in the opening lines of the memo, “Dr. Paul is NOT dropping out or suspending his campaign.”

    “As Dr. Paul has previously stated, he is in this race all the way to the Republican National Convention in Tampa this August,” Benton adds, noting that the campaign will look to maximize the resources it has, thus it will not fruitlessly pour money into the remaining primary states.

    “We will continue to run strong programs at district and state [party] conventions to win more delegates and alternate delegates to the national convention.” Benton continues, noting that the campaign will enter a “new phase” on Friday at the Minnesota state GOP convention, where Paul will make an appearance.

    While Benton acknowledges that “barring something very unforeseen”, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney will now secure enough delegates to win the nomination, he asks Paul supporters to stay positive and help the Congressman secure a legacy for the future of the liberty movement.

    “We are in an excellent position to make sure the Republican Party adds solid liberty issues to the GOP platform, which our delegates will be directly positioned to approve.” Benton states.

    “Our delegates can still make a major impact at the national convention and beyond.” Including, he adds, using their influence “to shape the process for future liberty candidates.”

    “By sending a large, respectful, and professional delegation to Tampa, we will show the Party and the country that not only is our movement growing and here to stay, but that the future belongs to us,” Benton notes, perhaps tacitly asking supporters to rise above the recent dirty tricks that Romney supporters and GOP insiders have attempted to pull at state conventions.

    In comments to reporters, Benton elaborated on the calls for decorum, noting “We our doing everything in our power to work with out supporters to make sure decorum and respect are the name of the game.” Benton added that he was well aware that “our supporters are going to get an excessive amount of blame for problems that arise at heated conventions.”

    Senior Paul advisor Doug Wead also elaborated, noting “Shouting people down is not Ron Paul’s way. Winning a battle of ideals based on principles, in a respectful way, is how he approaches the contest and it is how he wants others to approach the contest as well.”

    The strategy memo outlines three key areas where the Paul campaign will seek to influence policy at the national convention; monetary policy reform, prohibitions on indefinite detention and internet freedom.

    Benton also told reporters that the campaign has been discussing the party platform with Mitt Romney’s team.

    “I’d like to thank them for the respect that they’ve showed us,” Benton said. When asked if Ron Paul would endorse Romney, Benton said “I do not believe that is likely”. When asked if Paul would work with Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson, Benton said “No, there’s no chance of that.”

    “Some will say that it is a lost cause,” Doug Wead said in his written statement today, referring to Paul’s ongoing campaign for liberty. “I will not concede but it does remind me of Clarence Darrow’s famous line, “Lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for” he concluded.

    “Our people have been punched, yelled at, lied to and worked until they can hardly stand.” Wead added. “But on they come, fighting for their children, fighting for their future, angry at the corruption of the banks, of Wall Street, of the lobbyists, of the Congress, of the White House. The battle for liberty is not over. It has just taken on a new phase. It cannot be stopped by the national media. If that were the case it would never have been born in the first place.”
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    his chief strategist just admitted he cannot win the nomination and romney is within 200 delegates of the nomination.

    time for a dose of reality folks.

    http://97.65.137.90/233595/new-email-from-jesse-benton

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    Dose of reality or not CB, I will NEVER AGAIN vote for the cleanest end of a socialist turd!

    Frankly, let the country and the socialists warrens we call "cities" have their damn socialists.

    I can't stop it.

    But I will watch them starve. And starve they will.

    I won't like it...citizens have been warned for generations....yet they refuse to take responsibility for their own actions, something REQUIRED in a society that supposedly values Liberty.

    Soon the producers will be so screwed with taxation they will quit.

    Few times have I ever so completely agreed with another human on an issue as this issue with Dennis, in fact over the years I think he helped me form my opinion with regards to this issue. He is dead on correct, IMO.

    Bring it on that life may be better for my grandchildren.

    J
    “Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny”

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    I totally agree Jeff. Anyone who thinks Ron Paul and his supporters have thrown in the towel is sadly mistaken. Just like the first American Revolution, they have just changed strategies going from standing in long lines out in the open and firing at the enemy, they are going to more stealth strategies.
    If they had continued to throw money at the MSM machine it just helps the elite to continue their lives. Why should we support the liars? There are other ways to skin this cat.
    In his heart a man plans his course, but the Lord determines his steps.
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    We are in so much trouble.



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