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    2 BREAKING: Ron Paul to end active campaigning

    (CNN) - An announcement from Rep. Ron Paul indicates that the Republican presidential candidate will no longer actively campaign for the GOP nomination, but will continue to work to secure delegates at upcoming Republican state conventions.

    "Moving forward, however, we will no longer spend resources campaigning in primaries in states that have not yet voted," said Paul, in a statement released Monday afternoon. "Doing so with any hope of success would take many tens of millions of dollars we simply do not have."

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    But the longtime congressman from Texas, who's making his third bid for the White House, says he'll continue to try and secure delegates to the Republican convention in Tampa, Florida in late August.

    "Our campaign will continue to work in the state convention process. We will continue to take leadership positions, win delegates, and carry a strong message to the Republican National Convention that Liberty is the way of the future," adds Paul, in his statement.

    As of April 1, Paul's campaign had $1.8 million cash on hand.

    With former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich having suspended their campaigns, Paul is the last remaining major candidate still standing against former Massachusetts Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.

    According to the most recent CNN estimate, Romney has secured 945 delegates, compared 286 for Santorum, 145 for Gingrich and 99 for Paul. One-thousand, one-hundred and forty-four delegates are needed to clinch the nomination.
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    Smart move. Save the money on events and work double time to get the delegates he needs. There may be a shocker yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bethshaya View Post
    Smart move. Save the money on events and work double time to get the delegates he needs. There may be a shocker yet.
    hmmmm, and the delegates he needs are more than a thousand, so even if adding ALL of of Santorum's and ALL of Gingrich's, it gets him ...?

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    Ron Paul, ever the Austrian economist at heart, cant see spending more money for nothing.
    He knows he already has won enough to give him a strong voice in the convention.
    His philosophy will have an impact on the convention and I believe he is smoothing the way for his son Rand to advance to the forefront by the next election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by undead View Post
    hmmmm, and the delegates he needs are more than a thousand, so even if adding ALL of of Santorum's and ALL of Gingrich's, it gets him ...?
    Even tho Romney is supposed to have 945 votes/delegates, none of those are set in stone and can go to someone else come the convention. A lot of those delegates listed were from state caucuses which are nothing more than straw polls. It's who ends up at the convention and casts their final vote for a candidate that counts.

    Ron did not throw in the towel, he is just centering his campaign towards delegates now instead of throwing money at the MSM. He is working with each state's Paul supporters to get the delegates he needs. Don't count him out just yet. At this point it could be anyone getting the nomination.

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    If it goes to a brokered convention then all bets are on the table. This is what Paul is aiming for (imo) and what he is spending his dollars and efforts toward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Owl View Post
    Even tho Romney is supposed to have 945 votes/delegates, none of those are set in stone and can go to someone else come the convention. A lot of those delegates listed were from state caucuses which are nothing more than straw polls. It's who ends up at the convention and casts their final vote for a candidate that counts.

    Ron did not throw in the towel, he is just centering his campaign towards delegates now instead of throwing money at the MSM. He is working with each state's Paul supporters to get the delegates he needs. Don't count him out just yet. At this point it could be anyone getting the nomination.

    The fat lady hasn't sung yet.......lol......

    that may very well be the case, but I was not referring to Romney's delegates

    I was referring to the fact that no matter what, a thousand delegates are needed, and no matter what ensues, I do not see RP picking up 1000 delegates, under any scenario.

    Someone might pick up the pieces if everything fell apart for Romney at the convention, but it would much more likely be a Jeb Bush or Chris Christie, not a Ron Paul if RP were to be the cause that no nominee could be selected. I could agree that Ron Paul could be setting up things organizationally for Rand Paul.

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    As much as i like his voting record and agree with many of his polocies, RP ain't got a snowballs chance to spend 4 years in the WhiteHouse.

    Dafffy Duck has better odds of being elected.

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    I will be voting for Paul in our primary. From the look of things I will be writing his name on the general election ballot with a Sharpie marker, unless something major happens between now and then to change my mind.
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    We are screwed if it is a brokered convention. All that's going to do is show the public that the Republicans are so splintered that there is no way they will vote Obama out.
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    Yeah, Rand...as if there is going to be an election in four years.
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    I support RP and will do all I can to see him become the nominee, but if Romney gets the delegates to be the nominee, I'll vote for him. A split vote could put BO back in the white house the same way it did at the last election.


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    The real problem is that a true Christian CANNOT vote for a Mormon or a Muslim. Both are heretical doctrines.

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    I think the Idea is to stop hemorrhaging so much campaign money thats in short supply, so no more traveling state to state and let the crews in each state handle whats left. Romney does not know how to organize events or people and only knows that money buys some people in-order to get what he and the corrupt system wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadosh View Post
    The real problem is that a true Christian CANNOT vote for a Mormon or a Muslim. Both are heretical doctrines.

    Where is that rule? need a link please.
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    so he is "winning" but isn't running anymore.

    ROFL


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    Quote Originally Posted by CountryboyinGA View Post
    so he is "winning" but isn't running anymore.

    ROFL


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    Quote Originally Posted by CountryboyinGA View Post
    so he is "winning" but isn't running anymore.

    ROFL


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    Who said he isn't running anymore? That was Drudge's headline but that isn't what Paul said. Paul said;

    "Moving forward, however, we will no longer spend resources campaigning in primaries in states that have not yet voted," said Paul, in a statement released Monday afternoon. "Doing so with any hope of success would take many tens of millions of dollars we simply do not have."

    What he said is he no longer is going to spend money in these other States because they don't have it to spend. He didn't say that he's withdrawing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hfcomms View Post
    Who said he isn't running anymore? That was Drudge's headline but that isn't what Paul said. Paul said;

    "Moving forward, however, we will no longer spend resources campaigning in primaries in states that have not yet voted," said Paul, in a statement released Monday afternoon. "Doing so with any hope of success would take many tens of millions of dollars we simply do not have."

    What he said is he no longer is going to spend money in these other States because they don't have it to spend. He didn't say that he's withdrawing.


    so I guess now when someone doesn't campaign anymore in states that still have primaries that's no longer quitting its "moving forward"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansa44 View Post
    Where is that rule? need a link please.
    Where is the rule that Mormons and Muslims are both heretics? That would be the Holy Bible. Read it sometime. It's not called the Good Book for nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadosh View Post
    Where is the rule that Mormons and Muslims are both heretics? That would be the Holy Bible. Read it sometime. It's not called the Good Book for nothing.


    Odd I note lately that most of the time I go to You Tube I see and advertisement or something other for Mormons in the upper righthand side like! "I'm A Mormon".

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    As always, Ron Paul is practicing what he preaches. (Don't spend money you don't have.) KUDOS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jehu View Post
    As much as i like his voting record and agree with many of his polocies, RP ain't got a snowballs chance to spend 4 years in the WhiteHouse.

    Dafffy Duck has better odds of being elected.

    Secret delegates will remain that. Secret.
    You obviously have not watched a national political party convention. The delegate counts are not secret.
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    Here is what Ron Paul said:

    As I reflect on our 2012 Presidential campaign, I am humbled by the supporters who have worked so hard and sacrificed so much. And I am so proud of what we have accomplished. We will not stop until we have restored what once made America the greatest country in human history.

    This campaign fought hard and won electoral success that the talking heads and pundits never thought possible. But, this campaign is also about more than just the 2012 election. It has been part of a quest I began 40 years ago and that so many have joined. It is about the campaign for Liberty, which has taken a tremendous leap forward in this election and will continue to grow stronger in the future until we finally win.

    Our campaign will continue to work in the state convention process. We will continue to take leadership positions, win delegates, and carry a strong message to the Republican National Convention that Liberty is the way of the future.

    Moving forward, however, we will no longer spend resources campaigning in primaries in states that have not yet voted. Doing so with any hope of success would take many tens of millions of dollars we simply do not have. I encourage all supporters of Liberty to make sure you get to the polls and make your voices heard, particularly in the local, state, and Congressional elections, where so many defenders of Freedom are fighting and need your support.

    I hope all supporters of Liberty will remain deeply involved - become delegates, win office, and take leadership positions. I will be right there with you. In the coming days, my campaign leadership will lay out to you our delegate strategy and what you can do to help, so please stay tuned.


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    Well for all of you saying he is quitting, this is FROM Ron Paul today.

    I don't see him saying he is not still in the race for the nomination.

    Oops, y2ko beat me to the punch but it still bears repeating.......

    As I reflect on our 2012 Presidential campaign, I am humbled by the supporters who have worked so hard and sacrificed so much. And I am so proud of what we have accomplished. We will not stop until we have restored what once made America the greatest country in human history.

    This campaign fought hard and won electoral success that the talking heads and pundits never thought possible. But, this campaign is also about more than just the 2012 election. It has been part of a quest I began 40 years ago and that so many have joined. It is about the campaign for Liberty, which has taken a tremendous leap forward in this election and will continue to grow stronger in the future until we finally win.

    Our campaign will continue to work in the state convention process. We will continue to take leadership positions, win delegates, and carry a strong message to the Republican National Convention that Liberty is the way of the future.

    Moving forward, however, we will no longer spend resources campaigning in primaries in states that have not yet voted. Doing so with any hope of success would take many tens of millions of dollars we simply do not have. I encourage all supporters of Liberty to make sure you get to the polls and make your voices heard, particularly in the local, state, and Congressional elections, where so many defenders of Freedom are fighting and need your support.

    I hope all supporters of Liberty will remain deeply involved - become delegates, win office, and take leadership positions. I will be right there with you. In the coming days, my campaign leadership will lay out to you our delegate strategy and what you can do to help, so please stay tuned.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadosh View Post
    Where is the rule that Mormons and Muslims are both heretics? That would be the Holy Bible. Read it sometime. It's not called the Good Book for nothing.
    First---where is it written in the Bible that Christians are only to support (AND obey) "Christian" leaders?

    Show me that scripture, please.

    In the days when the Bible was written, the PEOPLE DID NOT CHOOSE who their rulers were----rulership was imposed upon them from above, either by royal succession or by military conquest---but either way, the PEOPLE did not choose their rulers. So we don't have anything in the Bible telling Christians who to choose for secular, political leaders (though they ARE told whom to choose for CHURCH leaders).

    Second---the Bible DOES tell us that God can use ANY man for His purposes, no matter how far from God that man personally may be in his life. God used the idol-worshiping King Cyrus of Persia to fulfill His Prophecy and allow the return of the children of Israel to their homeland and the re-building of their temple, just as God had foretold 70 years earlier. God further more called him by name: "Cyrus My servant". He called this pagan, Gentile king "MY servant".

    As a line in a song I used to like -- that told how God used an ass to speak to Balaam -- "So when God chooses to use you, don't pay it any mind---He could have used the dog next door if He'd been so inclined."

    Lastly---godly OR ungodly, what we as Christians ARE commanded to do for our leaders is PRAY for them and OBEY them. The ONLY exception to this is if the leader commands us to disobey God Himself:
    Romans 13:

    "1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour."

    And bear in mind---WHO was ruler when Paul wrote this? NERO---one of the most un-godly, evil rulers of all time.

    I try to remember that, when I am really tempted to say exactly what I think of Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hfcomms View Post
    Who said he isn't running anymore? That was Drudge's headline but that isn't what Paul said. Paul said;

    "Moving forward, however, we will no longer spend resources campaigning in primaries in states that have not yet voted," said Paul, in a statement released Monday afternoon. "Doing so with any hope of success would take many tens of millions of dollars we simply do not have."

    What he said is he no longer is going to spend money in these other States because they don't have it to spend. He didn't say that he's withdrawing.
    Exactly.

    HEY Y'ALL, RON PAUL ISN'T QUITTING!

    His campaign is putting the focus whee they are already winning- in the delegate caucuses. RP is cleaning house in this area where the RNC has got some serious ethical, moral, and legal problems.
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    Okay, so, say RP doesn't get the nomination AND doesn't run third party... It is vitally important to stand strong behind Romney whether we like him or not, no matter what our faith is at this point... So, you have a choice of a Mormon or a Muslim... are you going to choose a sect of Christianity or the religion that wants Christians wiped off the planet? If you don't stand behind Romney, then you WILL end up with Obama... and I for one don't want that to happen. It's ridiculous that it's coming down to religion. If religion matter all that much before then Obama would have never gotten in, and Ron Paul would have won... and would be the front runner now.

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    It'll Finally Sink In - Sooner Rather Than Later!

    Romney has 945 delegates that are committed to him on the first ballot. By Republican Party by-laws, they cannot vote for anyone else. Sometime in June, most likely the first week thereof, Romney will have the necessary delegates who will be committed to vote for him on the first ballot, period. Since he is heavily favored to win all of the remaining primaries, it is merely a matter of time.

    The die is cast and the race for the nomination has slowed to a crawl but the outcome is
    certain and has been since the end of March.

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    He's not quitting--he just ran out of money and is "moving forward".





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    Quote Originally Posted by shinerbock View Post
    Romney has 945 delegates that are committed to him on the first ballot. By Republican Party by-laws, they cannot vote for anyone else. Sometime in June, most likely the first week thereof, Romney will have the necessary delegates who will be committed to vote for him on the first ballot, period. Since he is heavily favored to win all of the remaining primaries, it is merely a matter of time.

    The die is cast and the race for the nomination has slowed to a crawl but the outcome is
    certain and has been since the end of March.
    Where does it say those delegates have to vote for Romney? Haven't you been paying attention lately? There was an article a couple days ago explaining that very thing and it didn't say they were committed until the convention is ongoing and they cast their final vote.

    Dr. Paul is NOT out of the race folks.
    He is also NOT a muslim, or Mormon, he is a Baptist.

    Stop giving up so quickly. He hasn't, he is just going to concentrate on delegates right now. The popular vote counts for nothing in the end anyway. We can ALL vote for whoever and the electoral college decides it come Nov well, actually they don't vote until Dec.
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    And...let me guess...You'll decide who is a "true" Christian and who is not? You must be pretty well connected with your God to be able to decide who and what are heretics and what a "true" Christian cannot do.

    QUOTE=Kadosh;4415965]The real problem is that a true Christian CANNOT vote for a Mormon or a Muslim. Both are heretical doctrines. [/QUOTE]
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    Should Christians vote for the lesser of two evils?
    Posted on June 9, 2011 by Pilgrim

    The topic of whether or not Christians should vote recently came up in the comment thread of this post that originally asked the question of whether or not Christians should vote for a Mormon (i.e. Mitt Romney). However, the predominant question that emerged from the comment thread was: Should a Christian vote for the lesser of two evils?

    Now, if a truly blood-bought, born-again, child of God was running for political office, the debate would be moot. But let’s face it, we will probably never be given that option (at least not on the presidential ticket). Any genuine Christian with presidential aspirations would be facing an insurmountable obstacle of opposition because the world would hate him because it hated Christ first (and no pupil or Christian presidential candidate is above His master).

    The unfortunate truth is, gaining the approval of the voting populace would require compromising one’s faith and morals in order to be accepted and in order to procure the votes needed to win. The Christian candidate would have no choice but to assimilate to the world in order to garner the approval of the world. (To see how successful that pragmatic approach is just look at the result of years of pastors pandering to the world while their sheep are dying of starvation. There’s a reason why God warned us not to mix light with darkness.)

    Time and time again in America Christians are relegated to having to choose between the lesser of the two evils and it doesn’t appear that the upcoming presidential election will be any different.

    So, with all that said, my current position is that true Christians should not have to vote if they first have to sit down and estimate which candidate is the lesser of two evils.

    Although I cannot (and will not) dictate to others whether they should vote or not, my conscience tells me that voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.

    Now, I know that there are many who will respectfully disagree with my position, and even suggest that it’s our duty as Americans and our obligation as Christians to vote for someone . . . anyone! So, for the furtherance of this discussion, I present the following four questions for your consideration:

    1). What happens when both candidates are pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, anti-Christian, big government socialists?

    The way things are going, we’re not too far from that scenario now (and some might even argue that that’s what we already have every election cycle; just one candidate hides it better than the other).

    If/when this scenario occurs do we flip a coin, or is voter abstinence permissible then? If you say the latter, then you must concede that those Christians who refuse to vote now because neither of the candidates are genuinely a Christian or a conservative (even though one may claim to be for election purposes) are actually doing the right thing.

    And once the tide of Americans’ opinions breach that 51% mark of being pro-homosexual, pro-abortion, pro-cradle-to-grave government dependence, then you can expect to see less (if any) viable presidential candidates running on a conservative platform because politicians will always cater to the majority in order to win votes. (A rather ominous conundrum democracy inevitably births which is why democracies are always temporary.)


    2). What exactly are you hoping to accomplish by voting for the lesser of two evils?


    Do you vote for the lesser of two evils in the hopes to either have a little morality pumped back into society or at least to slow the rapid descent of moral decline? Those are commendable ambitions, but can you really rely on worldly means (e.g. presidential candidate, political process, government, etc.) to accomplish such lofty and noble spiritual goals? And to what end? What is the logical conclusion of that expectation? Do you hope to see a moralistic utopia where no one steals, lies, or spits on the sidewalk, but where most people still go to Hell because they are self-righteous and believe that they’re morally good enough to earn God’s approval? This may not be your intended outcome, but you know that it is the inevitable result when any worldly government attempts to legislate morality sans Christ.

    To put that much stock in (and ultimately, that much responsibility on) a government or on the shoulders of a president is to forget how depraved the human heart really is. If your theory was possible, then to fix the ills of the world God could have made Noah president instead of covering it with water.

    In the past 30 years we’ve had pro-life presidents in office on several occasions, but abortions are still legal and still going strong. In the past 30 years we’ve had conservative presidents in office on several occasions, yet we’re not too far off from homosexual marriage being legal. And for the past 30 years every president we’ve had has been a professing Christian (even our current one) yet, the government is still growing bigger and the runaway train of moral depravity continues to barrel down the greased tracks unabated.

    By voting for the lesser of the two evils are you expecting to see a few less homosexual unions? A few less abortions? A few less of this moral ill or that moral ill?

    Do you really think that an unregenerate man or woman elected to a worldly political office is going to stem the tide of sin’s downward spiral in this nation? When you compare the current state of our once great country with the road to wrath in Romans, you may come to the conclusion, as John MacArthur has, that this nation has already been abandoned by God.

    3). What is our example from those in the New Testament Church concerning our involvement in politics?

    Are we supposed to be more concerned with spiritual matters or earthly matters?

    As a Roman citizen, can you honestly envision the Apostle Paul “voting” for the lesser of two evils; which Caesar he thought would be more moral than another? (Yes, I know, Rome wasn’t a democracy, but you get my point.)

    It is becoming increasingly apparent (to me at least) that Christians in America are too caught up, are too distracted, and are too preoccupied with worldly political matters, and all of this is at the expense of the sharing of the gospel.

    Perhaps we need to get more serious about the souls that are perishing all around us. Christ didn’t command us to elect politicians, but He did command us to make disciples. And how much more difficult that task becomes when–before a word is ever spoken–we alienate others by the political bumper stickers that placard our cars and the campaign signs that litter our yards.

    The gospel we live and die for should be the stumbling block to our family, friends, and neighbors, not our political leanings and affiliations. Unfortunately too many of us are known more by our politics than by our Christianity.

    How many opportunities have been lost over arguing politics with someone when that person needed to hear about Christ? I have been so guilty of this, and I painfully regret those many lost opportunities that can never be recovered.

    4). Is getting an immoral, socialist, anti-Christian president a bad thing?

    As American Christians we’ve become accustomed to our prosperous and secure lifestyle, a lifestyle foreign to Christians throughout church history (and equally foreign to those Christians today who don’t live in the West) but so commonly taken for granted by us.

    Do you vote for the candidate that will best help you to achieve the American dream or preserve your current prosperous economic status? If so, I have to ask a serious question of you: Has the American dream been a help or a hindrance to your faith?

    We would do good to remember this lesson from history:

    Beware that you do not forget the LORD your God by not keeping His commandments and His ordinances and His statutes which I am commanding you today; otherwise, when you have eaten and are satisfied, and have built good houses and lived in them, and when your herds and your flocks multiply, and your silver and gold multiply, and all that you have multiplies, then your heart will become proud and you will forget the LORD your God who brought you out from the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. – Deuteronomy 8:11-14

    If our true passion is to see souls come into the Kingdom, then we should be less concerned with achieving the American dream, increasing our financial prosperity, and righting the moral ills in the world, and instead we should be more focused on devoting our lives fully to preaching Christ and Him crucified.

    If making disciples is one of our primary purposes for existence, then why are we so preoccupied with building a happy, safe, comfortable, economically prosperous life, and exerting so much time and effort in electing men and women to political positions that will assist us in maintaining our desired lifestyles?

    You may argue: “But if a really evil president gets elected and outlaws Christianity, then what?” Well, if he were to outlaw what has come to be known as “Christianity” in America (better known as Churchianity or Moralistic Therapeutic Deism), then how is that a bad thing?

    “But what if true Christians begin getting persecuted?” you ask.

    When we look at the explosive growth of the underground churches in countries like China, Vietnam, Iraq, Cuba, etc. and then compare that to the current state of the visible mile-wide, inch-deep, man-centered, program-driven church in America, then I have to suggest that maybe, just maybe, a president that is bad for the country might actually be good for the church. (And I won’t even delve into the fact that God gives nations the leaders they deserve; that’s another whole issue.)

    The inconvenient truth is that the church suffers when its people get comfortable, but it flourishes under pressure, trials, and persecution. The more intense the persecution is, the better the health of the church is. And if the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church, then the luxury and security of the churchgoer is certainly the death of it.

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    Who is Ron Paul? I've never heard of him until Drudge had him on the front page dropping out.
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    I just got this in my inbox. He is NOT quitting and I also believe they have a further strategy they are not putting forth in this memo to Ron Paul supporters.

    Memorandum


    To: Supporters, Interested Parties

    From: Jesse Benton, Chief Strategist

    Date: May 15, 2012

    Re: Paul Campaign Convention Strategy

    Every day, I see firsthand how humbled and encouraged Dr. Paul is to have the enthusiastic support of so many who are committed to revitalizing our country.

    Let me be very clear. Dr. Paul is NOT dropping out or suspending his campaign.

    As Dr. Paul has previously stated, he is in this race all the way to the Republican National Convention in Tampa this August.

    And he is deeply grateful for every resource he has been entrusted with to run an historic campaign that continues to defy all expectations.

    Looking ahead, our campaign must honor that trust by maximizing our resources to ensure the greatest possible impact at the National Convention.

    So while our campaign is no longer investing in the remaining primary states, we will continue to run strong programs at District and State Conventions to win more delegates and alternate delegates to the National Convention.

    To this end, our campaign has several positive and realistic goals:


    1) Having recently WON Maine, we believe we can win several more states.
    2) We will win party leadership positions at both the state and national levels.
    3) We will continue to grow our already substantial total of delegates.


    We will head to Tampa with a solid group of delegates. Several hundred will be bound to Dr. Paul, and several hundred more, although bound to Governor Romney or other candidates, will be Ron Paul supporters.

    Unfortunately, barring something very unforeseen, our delegate total will not be strong enough to win the nomination. Governor Romney is now within 200 delegates of securing the party’s nod. However, our delegates can still make a major impact at the National Convention and beyond.

    All delegates will be able to vote on party rules and allow us to shape the process for future liberty candidates.

    We are in an excellent position to make sure the Republican Party adds solid liberty issues to the GOP Platform, which our delegates will be directly positioned to approve. Our campaign is presently working to get several items up for consideration, including monetary policy reform, prohibitions on indefinite detention, and Internet freedom.

    Finally, by sending a large, respectful, and professional delegation to Tampa, we will show the party and the country that not only is our movement growing and here to stay, but that the future belongs to us.

    Dr. Paul will begin this new phase of the campaign this Friday by speaking and holding several events at the Minnesota State Convention. He has also recently accepted an invitation to speak at the Texas Convention, and we are busy scheduling appearances around other State Conventions later this month and into June.

    As Dr. Paul stated in his message yesterday, this fight is NOT over. We will continue fighting and expanding, and “we will not stop until we have restored what once made America the greatest country in human history.”

    But for Dr. Paul’s efforts in the remaining State Conventions to be successful, and to ensure we get as many Ron Paul delegates to Tampa as we can, he needs you to continue standing with him.

    Along those lines, as you probably already know, the grassroots are holding a Money Bomb on Thursday, May 17. Any money raised from that Money Bomb will go toward winning delegates and finalizing our plans for Tampa.

    As those plans for the National Convention come together, we will make sure all of our delegates, whether bound or unbound, get the information and aid they need.

    Your support on May 17 will also help us reach more Americans with the solutions we know can restore our nation. Each person we add to our cause strengthens our movement for the critical work that awaits us beyond Tampa.

    Dr. Paul, John Tate, myself, and the entire campaign staff know what incredible sacrifices have been made by each of our supporters.

    Thank you for all of your hard work and your dedication to liberty. Together, we will champion Ron Paul and his message in Tampa, and we will lay the groundwork for future victories.
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    Should Christians vote for the lesser of two evils?
    Posted on June 9, 2011 by Pilgrim

    The topic of whether or not Christians should vote recently came up in the comment thread of this post that originally asked the question of whether or not Christians should vote for a Mormon (i.e. Mitt Romney). However, the predominant question that emerged from the comment thread was: Should a Christian vote for the lesser of two evils?

    Now, if a truly blood-bought, born-again, child of God was running for political office, the debate would be moot. But let’s face it, we will probably never be given that option (at least not on the presidential ticket). Any genuine Christian with presidential aspirations would be facing an insurmountable obstacle of opposition because the world would hate him because it hated Christ first (and no pupil or Christian presidential candidate is above His master).

    The unfortunate truth is, gaining the approval of the voting populace would require compromising one’s faith and morals in order to be accepted and in order to procure the votes needed to win. The Christian candidate would have no choice but to assimilate to the world in order to garner the approval of the world. (To see how successful that pragmatic approach is just look at the result of years of pastors pandering to the world while their sheep are dying of starvation. There’s a reason why God warned us not to mix light with darkness.)

    Time and time again in America Christians are relegated to having to choose between the lesser of the two evils and it doesn’t appear that the upcoming presidential election will be any different.

    So, with all that said, my current position is that true Christians should not have to vote if they first have to sit down and estimate which candidate is the lesser of two evils.

    Although I cannot (and will not) dictate to others whether they should vote or not, my conscience tells me that voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.

    Now, I know that there are many who will respectfully disagree with my position, and even suggest that it’s our duty as Americans and our obligation as Christians to vote for someone . . . anyone! So, for the furtherance of this discussion, I present the following four questions for your consideration:

    1). What happens when both candidates are pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, anti-Christian, big government socialists?

    The way things are going, we’re not too far from that scenario now (and some might even argue that that’s what we already have every election cycle; just one candidate hides it better than the other).

    If/when this scenario occurs do we flip a coin, or is voter abstinence permissible then? If you say the latter, then you must concede that those Christians who refuse to vote now because neither of the candidates are genuinely a Christian or a conservative (even though one may claim to be for election purposes) are actually doing the right thing.

    And once the tide of Americans’ opinions breach that 51% mark of being pro-homosexual, pro-abortion, pro-cradle-to-grave government dependence, then you can expect to see less (if any) viable presidential candidates running on a conservative platform because politicians will always cater to the majority in order to win votes. (A rather ominous conundrum democracy inevitably births which is why democracies are always temporary.)


    2). What exactly are you hoping to accomplish by voting for the lesser of two evils?


    Do you vote for the lesser of two evils in the hopes to either have a little morality pumped back into society or at least to slow the rapid descent of moral decline? Those are commendable ambitions, but can you really rely on worldly means (e.g. presidential candidate, political process, government, etc.) to accomplish such lofty and noble spiritual goals? And to what end? What is the logical conclusion of that expectation? Do you hope to see a moralistic utopia where no one steals, lies, or spits on the sidewalk, but where most people still go to Hell because they are self-righteous and believe that they’re morally good enough to earn God’s approval? This may not be your intended outcome, but you know that it is the inevitable result when any worldly government attempts to legislate morality sans Christ.

    To put that much stock in (and ultimately, that much responsibility on) a government or on the shoulders of a president is to forget how depraved the human heart really is. If your theory was possible, then to fix the ills of the world God could have made Noah president instead of covering it with water.

    In the past 30 years we’ve had pro-life presidents in office on several occasions, but abortions are still legal and still going strong. In the past 30 years we’ve had conservative presidents in office on several occasions, yet we’re not too far off from homosexual marriage being legal. And for the past 30 years every president we’ve had has been a professing Christian (even our current one) yet, the government is still growing bigger and the runaway train of moral depravity continues to barrel down the greased tracks unabated.

    By voting for the lesser of the two evils are you expecting to see a few less homosexual unions? A few less abortions? A few less of this moral ill or that moral ill?

    Do you really think that an unregenerate man or woman elected to a worldly political office is going to stem the tide of sin’s downward spiral in this nation? When you compare the current state of our once great country with the road to wrath in Romans, you may come to the conclusion, as John MacArthur has, that this nation has already been abandoned by God.

    3). What is our example from those in the New Testament Church concerning our involvement in politics?

    Are we supposed to be more concerned with spiritual matters or earthly matters?

    As a Roman citizen, can you honestly envision the Apostle Paul “voting” for the lesser of two evils; which Caesar he thought would be more moral than another? (Yes, I know, Rome wasn’t a democracy, but you get my point.)

    It is becoming increasingly apparent (to me at least) that Christians in America are too caught up, are too distracted, and are too preoccupied with worldly political matters, and all of this is at the expense of the sharing of the gospel.

    Perhaps we need to get more serious about the souls that are perishing all around us. Christ didn’t command us to elect politicians, but He did command us to make disciples. And how much more difficult that task becomes when–before a word is ever spoken–we alienate others by the political bumper stickers that placard our cars and the campaign signs that litter our yards.

    The gospel we live and die for should be the stumbling block to our family, friends, and neighbors, not our political leanings and affiliations. Unfortunately too many of us are known more by our politics than by our Christianity.

    How many opportunities have been lost over arguing politics with someone when that person needed to hear about Christ? I have been so guilty of this, and I painfully regret those many lost opportunities that can never be recovered.

    4). Is getting an immoral, socialist, anti-Christian president a bad thing?

    As American Christians we’ve become accustomed to our prosperous and secure lifestyle, a lifestyle foreign to Christians throughout church history (and equally foreign to those Christians today who don’t live in the West) but so commonly taken for granted by us.

    Do you vote for the candidate that will best help you to achieve the American dream or preserve your current prosperous economic status? If so, I have to ask a serious question of you: Has the American dream been a help or a hindrance to your faith?

    We would do good to remember this lesson from history:

    Beware that you do not forget the LORD your God by not keeping His commandments and His ordinances and His statutes which I am commanding you today; otherwise, when you have eaten and are satisfied, and have built good houses and lived in them, and when your herds and your flocks multiply, and your silver and gold multiply, and all that you have multiplies, then your heart will become proud and you will forget the LORD your God who brought you out from the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. – Deuteronomy 8:11-14

    If our true passion is to see souls come into the Kingdom, then we should be less concerned with achieving the American dream, increasing our financial prosperity, and righting the moral ills in the world, and instead we should be more focused on devoting our lives fully to preaching Christ and Him crucified.

    If making disciples is one of our primary purposes for existence, then why are we so preoccupied with building a happy, safe, comfortable, economically prosperous life, and exerting so much time and effort in electing men and women to political positions that will assist us in maintaining our desired lifestyles?

    You may argue: “But if a really evil president gets elected and outlaws Christianity, then what?” Well, if he were to outlaw what has come to be known as “Christianity” in America (better known as Churchianity or Moralistic Therapeutic Deism), then how is that a bad thing?

    “But what if true Christians begin getting persecuted?” you ask.

    When we look at the explosive growth of the underground churches in countries like China, Vietnam, Iraq, Cuba, etc. and then compare that to the current state of the visible mile-wide, inch-deep, man-centered, program-driven church in America, then I have to suggest that maybe, just maybe, a president that is bad for the country might actually be good for the church. (And I won’t even delve into the fact that God gives nations the leaders they deserve; that’s another whole issue.)

    The inconvenient truth is that the church suffers when its people get comfortable, but it flourishes under pressure, trials, and persecution. The more intense the persecution is, the better the health of the church is. And if the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church, then the luxury and security of the churchgoer is certainly the death of it.
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    So, now you're saying Mormons aren't Christians?
    I guess they are as evil as Mennonites and Amish. I've seen Mormons with bombs tied to their backs trying to get on airliners!!!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by AzProtector View Post
    So, now you're saying Mormons aren't Christians?
    Yes. That is precisely what I'm saying.

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