Police pump tear gas into underground bunker of survivalist suspected in wife killing

[ainitfunny]

I'm pretty certain he was speaking in regards to peoples that had tons of other options. Or, he was speaking with his balls as opposed to his brains.

Not one man.

Patton was all cool and everything, but I wouldn't necessarily put him on a pedestal just because of 'one liners'.

So what's a nigga gonna' do? NOT have a home? NOT have a place to retreat to?

Your post does not make sense to me. Can you reread and edit it to make your point clearer?
Anyone who, like Patton, has traveled a great deal and seen the REMNANTS of the limitless wealth and effort that men have put into various fixed, later proven vain hopes of creating an UNASSAILABLE fortification would see the truth in General Patton's remark.

[Dobbin]

Patton was all cool and everything, but I wouldn't necessarily put him on a pedestal just because of 'one liners'.

Patton was a warrior. And warrior of mechanized cavalry - the antithesis of fixed fortifications. One can understand the point he was making.

In this case of this survivalist (suicidalist?) what makes fixed fortifications work is if your enemy decides you're not worth it and move on. This is the methodology of any lock or password. Make the hassle of entry greater than the value received.

And Patton was cool. An equestrian. I like him. And I think he would have liked me. Although I would be too slow and heavy to suit him. Some think an equestrian accident when he was thrown from his horse in 1936 may have contributed to his lack of verbal discretion.

Dobbin

[ainitfunny]

The guy should be more labelled as A COLD BLOODED MURDERER, rather than a "survivalist".
Cold blooded murder in a functioning society with responsive police power is an act that is utterly incongruent with SURVIVAL.
It makes you the target of the full brunt of a powerful nation's police power.

Murder not something a REAL survivalist would do. A real survivalist would also not BE committing murder because a real survivalist would have made sure he survives well, IN HEAVEN, AFTER DEATH. Knowing Jesus as your Lord and Savior is also incongruent with committing cold blooded murder, and spiritual survival..

[Frugal Bob]

SORRY fb,

Last post not meant towards you.

eeks @ m3

I didn't think it was.

[Publius]

sigh....next is only outlaws have shelters

I think its already come to that as the military has somehow gotten the states to have surveyors report the GPS location of any and all bunkers and root cellars and the military calls them fortifications even if its a 250 year old root cellar.

[Dobbin]

P do you have any verification of that?

Owner's house here was built in 1662 and it does have a root cellar. Also below the barn is dug out. I have not seen anyone snooping around.

Of course it hasn't been surveyed either since title to the land has not passed - ever.

Dobbin

[ainitfunny]

I think its already come to that as the military has somehow gotten the states to have surveyors report the GPS location of any and all bunkers and root cellars and the military calls them fortifications even if its a 250 year old root cellar.

ALL THAT DOES is create a bigger "haystack" through which the authorities have to sort to find the "bad guy" or "terrorist" needle.
It is about as silly a thing as to call everyone who smokes or drinks a "substance abuser" or everything, even sending "unwanted" flowers to a girl you are smitten over "sexual harrassment" or ALL the people in the airport "potential terrorists". STUPID stupid moves by the authorities that make finding the REAL problem people MORE difficult.

[NBCsurvivor]

The guy should be more labelled as A COLD BLOODED MURDERER, rather than a "survivalist".
Cold blooded murder in a functioning society with responsive police power is an act that is utterly incongruent with SURVIVAL.
It makes you the target of the full brunt of a powerful nation's police power.

Murder not something a REAL survivalist would do. A real survivalist would also not BE committing murder because a real survivalist would have made sure he survives well, IN HEAVEN, AFTER DEATH. Knowing Jesus as your Lord and Savior is also incongruent with committing cold blooded murder, and spiritual survival..

YOU DONT KNOW THAT HE IS A COLD BLOODED MURDERER YET YOU ARE BRANDING HIM AS SUCH

[bw]

YOU DONT KNOW THAT HE IS A COLD BLOODED MURDERER YET YOU ARE BRANDING HIM AS SUCH YOU F****NG A$$HOLE!!!

Ratchet that back a couple notches, please.

[NBCsurvivor]

Fair enough.

I thought me and aint were on "punching in the face" terms.

Respectfully drawn back

[mzkitty]

ALL THAT DOES is create a bigger "haystack" through which the authorities have to sort to find the "bad guy" or "terrorist" needle.
It is about as silly a thing as to call everyone who smokes or drinks a "substance abuser" or everything, even sending "unwanted" flowers to a girl you are smitten over "sexual harrassment" or ALL the people in the airport "potential terrorists". STUPID stupid moves by the authorities that make finding the REAL problem people MORE difficult.

Nobody should send flowers to someone they are not certain would want them. It might not always be appreciated, or it could spook them instead of just "surprise" them. I've had it happen to me. I didn't like it.

[NBCsurvivor]

Hey kids,

Respectfully drawing out of this conversation.

Have fun.

B safe.

May someone or another have mercy on whatever it is we all have for an excuse for a lack of a better term as a SOUL.

[vessie]

We'll never know now, but I wonder why his wife and daughter didn't leave him. Surely they knew how crazy he was? Do you know, Vessie?

I don't know mzkitty but I'll be asking my nephew what he knows about what Kaylene's friends are saying at school this next week and let you know. It might be interesting to hear what they had been observing of the Keller family dynamics. V

[bw]

I wonder why his wife and daughter didn't leave him

Dysfunction grows over time. The family gets into the habit of making allowances; they learn to live with fear. Often they wait too long. This explosive ending may well have been triggered because the wife and daughter WERE in the process of leaving.

ETA: The curious thing is that both the mother and daughter were shot once in the head while in their beds. This suggests he shot one, went to the other and shot her. That means one of them lay there in her bed, motionless, until he came and shot her. That kind of deer-in-the-headlight behavior sounds to me like a dysfunctional family or a young person. I'm guessing the mother was shot first, then the daughter.

Anyone remember the Clutter family details? Kenyon was found in his bed, fully dressed, shot there. He heard something in the house, knew something was wrong, got dressed, but didn't have a plan, didn't have a way to react, and crawled back in bed. So he froze, and was killed. I have no inside knowledge, but that sounds like this.

[mzkitty]

OK, thanks, guys. I'll wait to see if anybody says anything about it. But deep down I know personally that sometimes you just really don't know what someone is thinking of doing. Hard to say.

[Warthog]

Looked like a nice bug out bunker! That's why you don't put your bug out location on your PC or paper. You keep it in your mind.

[GopherinTN]

Personally what I got out of this article was kind of different. I think the guy did off his family.....killing the pets is something almost no one else would do. I found the reporting in the story to be so caught up in buzz words and framework that it almost missed reporting the story. A lot of the stuff he was doing is probably everyday behavior for most on this board(stocking up on food and preps and baggies on some ammo) Not odd behavior yet it is reported as such and I found it hilarious that they reported that he was found to have one BIG scope....WTF is that supposed to mean?

All in all this dude was not functioning as a prepper per se and I resent that he is being portrayed as one by the media.

[Y2kO]

What's the opposite of survivalist?

A "Don't Get It," a person who lives for the moment, burns the candle on both ends and makes no plans for the future.

[Straycat]

We'll never know now, but I wonder why his wife and daughter didn't leave him. Surely they knew how crazy he was? Do you know, Vessie?

Mz Kitty, for all we know that possibility may be what set him off. It happens far too often.