You killed my people.

[Grantbo]

Man carrying man ends stabbing spree at Salt Lake grocery store

SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) - A citizen with a gun stopped a knife wielding man as he began stabbing people Thursday evening at the downtown Salt Lake City Smith's store.

Police say the suspect purchased a knife inside the store and then turned it into a weapon. Smith's employee Dorothy Espinoza says, "He pulled it out and stood outside the Smiths in the foyer. And just started stabbing people and yelling you killed my people. You killed my people."

Espinoza says, the knife wielding man seriously injured two people. "There is blood all over. One got stabbed in the stomach and got stabbed in the head and held his hands and got stabbed all over the arms."

Then, before the suspect could find another victim - a citizen with a gun stopped the madness. "A guy pulled gun on him and told him to drop his weapon or he would shoot him. So, he dropped his weapon and the people from Smith's grabbed him."

By the time officers arrived the suspect had been subdued by employees and shoppers. Police had high praise for gun carrying man who ended the hysteria. Lt. Brian Purvis said, "This was a volatile situation that could have gotten worse. We can only assume from what we saw it could have gotten worse. He was definitely in the right place at the right time."

Dozens of other shoppers, who too could have become victims, are also thankful for the gun carrying man. And many, like Danylle Julian, are still in shock from the experience. "Scary actually. Really scary. Five minutes before I walk out to my car. It could have been me."

Police say right now they have no idea what caused the suspect to go on the dangerous rampage. (We will update as soon as we learn new information.)

So far, police have not released the names of the suspect, the victims or the man who pulled the gun.

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top...RhrWCM9dQ.cspx

[Dennis Olson]

Two predictions:

1) the perp is black and his victims white

2) you'll not hear a sound about this in the national media.

[truthseeker]

"A guy pulled gun on him and told him to drop his weapon or he would shoot him. So, he dropped his weapon and the people from Smith's grabbed him."

Proper use of Force.

[TerryK]

[QUOTE=truthseeker;4401564]Proper use of Force.

QUOTE]

Yes, But only if you are not having your head banged on the sidewalk

[Peregrinus]

This sounds like some of the knife attacks that happen in Israel.

[Flippper]

Somewhat reminds me of the 2 or 3 airline employees who went nutso out of the blue, very bizarre.

[LtPiper]

The comments by people on that article are just nuts.

[mzkitty]

The comments by people on that article are just nuts.

This one is pretty good:

DucatiRider - 12:43 PM
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This is just the most recent case of a person legally carrying a weapon saving the day. 30 seconds before the guy with the knife decided to attack the innocent no one knew that the good guy was armed. That armed citizen saved the day.

[Siskiyoumom]

From the link in op.
Man uses concealed weapon to stop stabbing spree, police say he likely saved lives
Updated: 7:29 pm | Published: 7:20 pm
Reported by: Noah Bonet
Arressted: Kiet Thanh Ly {could not get his mug shot to post}

SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) - Kiet Thanh Ly is accused of a stabbing spree at a downtown Salt Lake City supermarket.

The stabbing happened at the 400 South 600 East Smith's location April 26 at about 5:30 p.m. where the stabbings sent customers running for safety.

Police say Ly, who is 33-years-old, bought the knife at the store then stabbed two men in the parking lot and tried to stab others. Police say Ly did not know his victims.

The hero of the hour is a man with a concealed weapons permit. He held Ly at gunpoint until police arrived.

ABC 4 wants to know who he is so we went looking for answers and what we uncovered was a lengthy criminal record spanning 12 years.

His crimes began simple, but slowly escalated to dangerous levels.

His crimes include:
Theft, January 2012
Sexual Battery and Lewdness, October 2011
Attempted Assault against Police Officer, September 2011
Attempted Aggravated Assault, March 2011
Poss of Drug Paraphernalia & Attempted Poss or use of controlled substance, April 2009
False info to Police Officer, Drive on Suspended License, July 2004
Criminal Trespass, August 2000.

Kiet Thanh Ly alleged bought a knife in the Smith's store and used it to stab two men in the parking lot. Both men remain in critical condition one day after the stabbings.

"It's sad, but there are a lot of people out there under great stress. Great problems and they sometimes just break," said Virginia Walker who is visiting Salt Lake City.

Smith's spokeswoman Marsha Gilford is responding to the stabbings with this statement:

"We are shaken by this horrible and random act and we are offering counseling to our store associates who may have witnessed this violence. We send our most sincere wishes for healing to the two victims and we are grateful to those who came to their aid. We are also greatly indebted to the gentleman who kept the incident from escalating any further."

We dug a little deeper uncovering Ly's home address in court records. It led us to the a homeless shelter at 215 South Rio Grande Street in Salt Lake City. No one in the area seemed to know Ly.

MAN WITH CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT:

Salt Lake City police say the man who stopped the stabbings at Smith's is from rural Idaho and he doesn't want attention.

Police say he was in the right place at the right time and his quick action likely saved lives.

Ly dropped the knife in his hand when he saw a loaded handgun pointed at his body. Moments later a Smith's employee held Ly along with several others until police could arrest him.

ABC 4 talked with concealed weapons permit holders at a store called Bullet Shoot and Sports.

They say people with concealed weapons permits are trained to work with police.

Police say the man from Idaho perfectly followed all the training. He dropped his weapon with police arrived and complied with the investigation.

So he was not black.

[Dennis Olson]

I'm actually glad he wasn't black. We can't take much more black on white beatings before the blacks start dying wholesale. I'd rather that not happen, actually.

[Publius]

Odd last name! LY.

[momof23goats]

vietnamese maybe.

[sierra don]

Odd last name! LY.

Viet. or Cambodian...

-sd

[Tundra Gypsy]

Yeah, lets hear it for the guy from Idaho! That's why I love Idaho, you never know who's carrying....and that means men and women...

[Thomas Paine]

Like to know more about the incident than the skimpy details in the article. Just for my interest.

[Dobbin]

The knife wielding human can be seen at http://www.slcmugshots.com/mug/kiet-thanh-ly-3

This may not last long.

Dobbin

[duchess47]

He's a lot older than I was expecting. For some reason I figured it was a younger guy.

[GopherinTN]

Looks Hmong.....definitely the Laos/cambodia characterstics

[Garryowen]

Looks Hmong.....definitely the Laos/cambodia characterstics

Yes, he doesn't look quite like most Vietnamese. It's possible his father is Vietnamese and his mother from somewhere else. Sounds like he may have been a druggie, which might explain his irrational behavior.

Good for the guy who was carrying. He showed restraint in not dropping the perp.

[Topusaret]

One of the victims must have died, because the booking photo in the link Joe posted lists Murder as one of his charges.

[Satanta]

Here.

[Quark]

Smiths Food and Drug is a weapons free zone, atleast for employees.....

I use to work at that Store..... Thank G-d I escaped

Asst manager shot taking cash from gas station to office around 9pm in the dark.... yeah bad idea, but he needed the job... fortunately he survived... Smiths covered the whole thing up.... they never talk to the press.....

This was too big to coverup I guess.

I never went to work with out my weapon, heh..... narcs are just to popular these days....

Quark
No more Rx, just a bar....

[Last Resort]

So the dirtbag in question is possibly Hmong? Then I guess this would be the right time to say:

[boomerdog]

Sad, and ominous. So many people just going off these days.... I have to wonder what's causing it. Bravo for the CCW guy -- I am finally gonna get mine this fall. Lucky for me my county has one of the few CCW-friendly sheriffs in California! Hope I never have to use it like this.

[Beetree]

Obvious that he hates the U.S. People. The question is why is he here? Did he come here to get revenge? Why would he come to a place that he hates? He must owe child support if he lost his license (one of his charges-drvg.without). If he does owe, they probably took his passport also (they do that). Maybe he would not even be in this country if he still had it. His eyes..eeeeww...look like no one's home.

[NC Susan]

.......about 5:20 p.m. Thursday, Ly entered Smith’s Marketplace at 455 S. 500 East and purchased a kitchen knife. He said Ly exited the store along 600 East. ...........Ly admitted to the stabbings after he was arrested, police say.

On Monday, Ly had pleaded guilty in state court in Salt Lake City to misdemeanor counts of joyriding and possessing someone else’s identifying documents, a court docket shows. He was transported from the jail for that hearing, and Judge Denise Lindberg freed him until sentencing on June 18.

Also in state court in Salt Lake City, Ly has pending misdemeanor charges of sexually battery and lewdness.

Ly also has misdemeanor convictions in Utah for attempted assault, attempted assault against a police officer, theft and drug possession. -> more at link http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54...store.html.csp


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JUDGE DENISE P. LINDBERG Judge Denise Posse Lindberg was appointed to the Third District Court by Gov. Michael O. Leavitt, effective November 1998. Judge Lindberg earned masters and doctoral degrees from the University of Utah. She practiced social work before receiving her J.D., magna *** laude from Brigham Young University in 1988, where she was articles editor of the Law Review. She clerked for the Honorable Monroe G. McKay, U.S. Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals, and for the Honorable Sandra Day O'Connor, Supreme Court of the United States. Judge Lindberg practiced appellate and healthcare law in Washington, D.C. and in Salt Lake City before her appointment to the bench. She has served on various Utah Bar committees including the Legal/Healthcare committee, the Courts and Judges Committee, and the Ethics Advisory Opinion Committee. She chairs the Utah Supreme Court's Advisory Committee on Criminal Jury Instructions and is one of five judiciary members statewide trained as a science and technology resource judge.

In May 2000, Judge Lindberg was elected a member of the American Law Institute (ALI). She is currently an Adviser to ALI's Model Penal Code: Criminal Sentencing Reform Project.
She is a Master of the Bench with the American Inns of Court. 9/08

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this is "one" example of news feed from the home page of the Sentencing Project ->
April 12, 2012
Race and Justice News Research: Appeal to put race at the center of the study of crime and justice
Research: Justice for all? Half of Americans don’t think so.
Legislation: Pending legislation in Vermont would exam racial bias in sentencing
Legislation: Attempt to mandate racial impact studies for CT legislation fails
Prisons: Racial bias in jail screening instrument may limit access to diversion resources
Policing: Police assistance to disadvantaged neighborhoods
The Courts: Judicial discretion reduces racial disparities in Federal sentencing

http://www.sentencingproject.org/template/index.cfm

[NC Susan]

the problem seems (to me) to be the social engineering and the catch and release by judges instead of the punishment for crime.

[Dobbin]

In court, jurors are not allowed to have knowledge of or consideration for past in determining guilt: they judge the defendant against the charge and the evidence alone. A Judge, on the other hand, CAN consider a defendant's past in sentencing, scheduling, or (in this case) release pending a court appearance.

It would appear that Judge Lindberg had ample opportunity to throw this human into a stall with a human-proof lock - and let him sit. I would say (hindsight is 20-20 of course) she did not do her job correctly.

This horse has examined the Internet whether any humans died of injuries that day - so far no reports.

I did establish the fact that Mr. Ly is NOT a citizen of the US, is in fact a citizen of Vietnam. The Judge may have been inspired to leniency based on this fact and considering her obvious connection to an organization that considers such things important. (See CSRP Advisory above.) Also her previous social work and connections to human rights advocates. (Judge Sandra Day O'Connor being probably the most notable.)

One might say that individual firearm carry did Ms. Lindberg a considerable service that day. The death of a human would be a difficult thing for a sentient being to carry with them.

I hope I don't assume too much. She looks human. One naturally assumes sentient.

Dobbin