So we are currently having continuing unusual seismic events in North Central WI...and also in GA??
And record earthquakes occurred a few months back here in Central Oklahoma.
Is this precursor activity to the New Madrid 'Big One' for 2012?
I'm getting a tad freaky...
ETA: I see we're talking also about maybe the Great Lakes draining down the Mississippi River?? Loup...HELP!
Last edited by skip8; 03-30-2012 at 01:59 AM.
nope from what I'm being told it's more likely that the mid continental rift is about to unzip!Originally Posted by skip8
So we are currently having continuing unusual seismic events in North Central WI...and also in GA??
And record earthquakes occurred a few months back here in Central Oklahoma.
Is this precursor activity to the New Madrid 'Big One' for 2012?
I'm getting a tad freaky...
ETA: I see we're talking also about maybe the Great Lakes draining down the Mississippi River?? Loup...HELP!
K-
Linda Moulton Howe will duscuss the Clintonville booms right now on Coast to Coast AM.
I'll see if I can stay awake during the torrent of commercials and self promotions.
"The most intriguing point for the historian is that where history and legend meet."
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who think they are free."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Well heck, I've not been following this news till tonight. Where is the mid continent rift?
Thanks RB...turned on the radio.
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Scientists Step Up Efforts to Solve Clintonville's Seismic Mystery
Susan Bence
WUWM NEWS | Mar 30, 2012
After more than a week of strange sounds and sensations – the residents of “normally quiet” Clintonville, Wisconsin hope to get more answers.
They have already been stunned to learn that a 1.5 magnitude earthquake caused at least some of the vibrations, but they continue.
A team of scientists is preparing to install seismometers in the community 40 miles west of Green Bay.
The delicate devices register “shifts” in the earth.
WUWM Environmental Reporter Susan Bence spoke with a few of the experts hoping to narrow down the location and source of the continuing seismic activity.
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Greg Waite is on the road when I reach him.
He figures the trip from his lab in Michigan to Clintonville will take about four hours.
He is less sure what is causing the seismic activity in the small Wisconsin town.
It’s not that Waite doesn’t know his earthquakes.
The Michigan Tech assistant professor of geophysics spends most of his time studying them.
“Well actually most of my work is in other countries, in Central America and South America, I study volcanic seismicity mostly,” Waite says.
Something as small as Clintonville’s 1.5 “rumbling” would normally be a blip on a monitor, but Waite’s interest was piqued by the continuing “swarm” of seismic activity.
“It’s so rare to have earthquakes in the upper Midwest,” Waite says.
Waite will not only monitor ground vibration, he’s hoping special microphones will pick up the low frequency sounds residents are reporting – the creaks, cracks and rumbles.
“It’s rare that there are good recordings of those sounds, so I thought it would be a good opportunity to try to collect good data to get a better of that phenomenon,” Waite says.
Everything Waite’s equipment detects will be funneled to U.S. Geological Survey scientists in Golden, Colorado. Dr. Harley Benz is shipping is “cell modums” to Clintonville, to link Waite’s system with the Colorado facility.
“It’s kind of a fancy cell phone in that it’s always on and it’s always transmitting data. So it connects to cell towers and so we can take data straight out of these seismograph stations. And if people feel something or hear something, we can look at the data immediately and figure out what it might have been,” Benz says.
Benz echoes Greg Waite’s words - that a quake as small as Clintonville’s would normally go unnoticed, but the mystery of what is happening there, is worth investigating.
“We can learning something from this exercise; to understand how the earth works. In places where earthquakes are rare; you know, the central and eastern U.S. have earthquakes but they’re more infrequent than, say in the western U.S. So we can learn something scientifically from this about the earthquake process. The other thing is people are concerned and rattled, and no pun intended. These things are waking them up; we don’t know what they are and we have technologies that might help to address this and so the state is asking for help and we have an obligation to help,” Benz says.
Another scientist – much closer to Clintonville – is also tuned into the case.
Steve Dutch teaches geoscience at the University of Wisconsin - Green Bay.
“We could conceivably have an unmapped fault below Clintonville. We have no information really about what’s under the surface there and stresses in the crust could be causing it to slip,” Dutch says.
Dutch plans to test his own theories. He suspects the quakes and strange noises might be related to the town’s groundwater levels.
“Apparently the ground water table is very low there right now and if you remove water from underground it removes some of the support for the rocks; and if the rocks settle they could creek and slip a little bit,” Dutch says.
As scientists ruminate and set up equipment, Lisa Kuss looks forward to easing residents’ anxiety.
She’s Clintonville’s city administrator.
“Night after night after night you’re being woken up with your house sounding like something’s exploding, that something hit your house, that you can’t sleep because it jars your whole house. That phenomenon, no matter what it’s being caused from, is disruptive to people’s lives,” Kuss says.
Kuss says it’s HER job to assure 4600 residents that Clintonville is a safe place to call home.
http://www.wuwm.com/news/wuwm_news.php?articleid=10151
"The most intriguing point for the historian is that where history and legend meet."
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who think they are free."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Go back to the first 2 or 3 pages of the thread, there are maps.
This pretty much reflects what Linda talked about on C2C tonight,
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?I...ry=Environment
Not too many revelations other some similar reports around the country and Canada. The Georgia reports are especially interesting.
"The most intriguing point for the historian is that where history and legend meet."
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who think they are free."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Thanks!
Ancient Fuzzball
We do need to keep a watch on all of these little data points that keep popping up.
Somebody has known something for a while...
From: http://ares-nela.org/quake.htm
And there are conferences on the subject this year:FEMA: New Madrid Preparedness a Priority - ST. LOUIS Feb 24, 2006 (AP)— Preparing for a catastrophic earthquake along the New Madrid fault is a priority, a FEMA official said Friday before a congressional field hearing on government readiness to handle natural disasters.
"New Madrid is at the top of the list," Michel Pawlowski, section chief of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, said. "It's our primary objective."
Pawlowski told a congressional committee that FEMA has "significant concerns" for the potential of a catastrophic earthquake equal in magnitude to those that struck parts of the Mississippi River Valley in 1811-1812, and again in 1895. The estimated magnitude of those earthquakes is 7.5 or 8. The probability of a magnitude 6 or larger earthquake is 25 percent to 50 percent over the next 50 years.
Even a magnitude 7 earthquake would destroy more than 60 percent of buildings in St. Louis and Memphis, Tenn., because most buildings predate building requirements aimed at resisting the shock, officials estimate.
"A catastrophic earthquake in the central United States along the New Madrid Seismic Zone could pose unprecedented problems and challenges," Pawlowski said.
FEMA officials are worried about how quickly they could enter the affected area because many roads, bridges, and approaches could not be expected to withstand a high-magnitude earthquake, he said.
"It will be a monumental challenge," Pawlowski said. "That's why we want as many partners as possible to address this."
FEMA, which was sharply criticized for its handling of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, began in earnest in December to prepare for the possibility of an earthquake along the New Madrid fault. Pawlowski would not say whether the Katrina criticism had prompted the agency's interest in the 50-mile-wide New Madrid fault zone, centered near the southeast Missouri town New Madrid, and which stretches from Alabama to Illinois.
Instead, he pointed to its potential, wide-ranging impact on the nation's economy, estimated in the tens of billions of dollars.
He said a strong earthquake could disrupt the flow of commodities by underground pipeline, rail, barge and highway; halt the flow of food exports, fuel oil and coal outside the region; cripple FedEx's hub in Memphis, Tenn.; and block routes for emergency services.
Pawlowski said FEMA expects to have a regional response plan in place by June 2007.
A House subcommittee chaired by Rep. Bill Shuster, R-Pa., and which oversees FEMA and emergency management, traveled to Los Angeles on Thursday and St. Louis on Friday to gauge how prepared local, state and federal governments would be in responding to a natural disaster, and avoid problems that emerged with Katrina.
Shuster served on a special committee that last week released the findings of its investigation into the government's response to Katrina. Shuster said Friday he is leaning toward introducing legislation that would separate FEMA from the Homeland Security Department. That's in response to criticisms that FEMA's traditional role of dealing in natural disasters has gotten lost in Homeland Security's emphasis on fighting terrorism.
"Response was slow and key decisions were made late," Shuster said. "We can't afford to get it wrong again. Business as usual doesn't work in a catastrophic disaster."
Missouri emergency management director Ronald Reynolds said most federal emergency funds have been tied to terrorism and not available for natural disasters. "That's been changing since Katrina," he said. "It's about time."
Eugene Schweig of the U.S. Geological Survey testified Friday that the 1800s New Madrid earthquakes and its thousands of aftershocks upended land, made the river unnavigable, and created landslides in a multistate region. Such an event today would rupture underground pipelines, burst levees, and wreak havoc in the Midwest and East.
Sen. Jim Talent, R-Mo., and Rep. Jo Ann Emerson, R-Mo., have asked the federal government to conduct an emergency response exercise along the entire New Madrid fault zone to expose how response might be improved in the event of a devastating earthquake.
Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
http://www.msacp.org/event/new-madri...ake-conference
http://earthquakeconference.org/
http://newmadrid2011.org/
Loup
(Ask yourself: What's in your Wallace?)
loup,
i am sure you have forgotten more than i will ever know, so please don't laugh at my question
has anyone sped up any of the recordings of the sounds (or lack thereof) to see if they can hear it? i know of an elephant study done years ago where they did this. they knew the elephants were communicating, but humans could not hear it. they had recorded long tracks of the elephants and sped them up. sure enough, the researchers could then hear the low frequency communications from the elephants. perhaps if someone knows how to do this with a youtube recording of the clintonville sounds, it may tell us something
float like a butterfly...
I can't help but wonder if the news that's been coming out of clintonville will now end. Once the gov. gets involved, like USGS, that's the end of truthful updates.
It seems a block is put on all stories. Don't think so? Look at the block that happened with BP and the GOM.
Look at Katrina. Lot's of stories were blocked. How about flu viruses? One day there'd be lots of info, the next day it died. Japan is the worst case of a blocked story I've ever seen.
If "they" do know something about Clintonville and the whole eastern side of the Miss. we are not going to hear about it. All we can do is dig for pieces here and there.
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".Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in, broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, WOW, What a ride!"
Personal Responsibility..The one thing no one can take away from you
."The only tyrant I accept in this world is the still, small voice within me."
Good points Hansa!
"The most intriguing point for the historian is that where history and legend meet."
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who think they are free."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Fair Use Cited
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Seismometers installed around Clintonville
By Don Behm of the Journal Sentinel
Michigan Technological University in Houghton came to the aid of boom-beleaguered Clintonville on Thursday by installing four seismometers and four sound sensors around the community, City Administrator Lisa Kuss said Friday.
There have been few complaints of loud booms or house-shaking vibrations since Tuesday evening, Kuss said.
The seismometers will detect seismic activity if it resumes.
The detectors were placed at the city's request following Tuesday's round of shaking. None of the permanent seismometer stations or portable sensors around the state recorded that evening's booms and vibrations, so no earthquake was confirmed that day.
A 1.5 magnitude earthquake was recorded at 12:15 a.m. March 20 beneath Clintonville. Other loud noises and shakes last week were attributed to a swarm of low-strength earthquakes.
Michigan Tech's equipment will be linked to the U.S. Geological Survey's National Earthquake Information Center in Golden, Colorado. This will enable USGS to monitor recordings.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/wiscons...145154265.html
"The most intriguing point for the historian is that where history and legend meet."
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who think they are free."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Ancient Fuzzball
I won't ever laugh at anybody. It's a very good question.
Two of the guys from V.T. are up there now doing just that, recording both the audio spectrum through a set of PZM microphones, as well as several large coil H-field (Magnetic loop) ELF-LF receivers, and a few magnetometers. Everything will be recorded and studied. They are trying to see if there are any EM signals that happen around the same time that the "noises" do. They did find that when the bumps and moans were going off here, there were both H-field and E-field (electrical, not magnetic) emissions.has anyone sped up any of the recordings of the sounds (or lack thereof) to see if they can hear it? i know of an elephant study done years ago where they did this. they knew the elephants were communicating, but humans could not hear it. they had recorded long tracks of the elephants and sped them up. sure enough, the researchers could then hear the low frequency communications from the elephants. perhaps if someone knows how to do this with a youtube recording of the clintonville sounds, it may tell us something
Loup
(Ask yourself: What's in your Wallace?)
hmmmmm.....
thank you loup
thank you everyone on this thread. great job
float like a butterfly...
Yep, we could be about to crack wide open and we will never know - as long as they have their nose in it.
New thread over on the tree of reports of a quake in PA, not sure which part of the state as it's not showing up on the charts yet.
Thanks Loup for the advice, I really thought he was onto something. How are earthquake clouds formed if not from moisture coming from the ground? The moisture has to come from somewhere.
Fog is one source.
I found this video on youtube. The sound of the boom's is much easier to hear.
Recorded "Boom" Sounds from Clintonville, WI - March 30, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqFMZ...eature=related
"Veni, Vidi, Visa"…. I came, I saw, I bought.
Country exile in the city
This sounds JUST LIKE the "Colorado booms" the hikers heard, to me, only the sound is STATIONARY---it is not MOVING UNDERGROUND, like the one in Colorado was.
Also--WHAT in the world is that weird "hoo!-hoo!" honking sort of sound you hear after some of the booms? Is it an echo off of buildings or are they just re-playing and repeating the same booms and sounds over and over or what?
The only "change" I CAN believe in: I Corinthians 15: 51-52!
WAKE ME WHEN IT'S OVER....
Country exile in the city
You hear the same sounds here--but this is VERY weird.
First, a BOOM!--then a half-second of silence, then "HOO!"; then "HEY Haw haw way" (that's what it sounds like to me).
You know what this reminds me of?
READ VELIKOVSKY.
He found in ancient writings the descriptions of THE NOISES THE EARTH MADE after a catastrophic event (V. believed a near-encounter with another heavenly body; I believe one 'may' have been involved but it led to the MAIN disaster of the worldwide FLOOD of Noah).
In these descriptions, ACROSS MANY CULTURES, the "noise" was described as making a sound best approximated by the syllables "Ya - Hoo!" or "Yay - hoo!" of "Yah-way-hee"---
in other words---the name of God.
The only "change" I CAN believe in: I Corinthians 15: 51-52!
WAKE ME WHEN IT'S OVER....
wow, I can understand why they're so concerned
Matthew 6:12 - And forgive us our sins, as we have forgiven those who sin against us. 1Thessalonians 4-16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
What I got when I looked up H-field and E-field.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field
So when's the Revolution? God or Money? Choose.
http://www.clintonvillewi.org/PDF/Ea...ase_033012.pdf
City of Clintonville
Press Release March 30, 2012
The City of Clintonville has been experiencing booming, rumbling like noises for 12 days. The last forty
eight hours have been fairly quiet with a small amount of calls regarding booming sounds or vibrations.
On Thursday, March 29 four seismic measuring devices, called seismometers, were installed in and
around the City. In addition, four infrasound sensors were installed. The seismic and infrasound
equipment was deployed from Michigan Technological University (Michigan Tech) in Houghton,
Michigan and was installed by Michigan Techfs Assistant Professor Greg Waite in cooperation with the
United States Geological Survey (USGS). Professor Waite was assisted by Graduate Students Josh
Richardson and Kathleen McKee. Professor Waite is with the Department of Geological and Mining
Engineering and Sciences. The United States Geological Survey is deploying equipment that will allow
seismic readings to be fed directly and in real time to the USGS database at the National Earthquake
Information Center (NEIC). The USGS will continue to monitor the data from any future events in
Clintonville. Attached are a few pictures from the equipment deployment. Additional pictures are
available upon request.
Any questions should be directed to City Administrator Lisa Kuss at (715) 823]7600 and (715) 250]0001.
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"The most intriguing point for the historian is that where history and legend meet."
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who think they are free."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Just listened to the recorded boom. You would think with all our modern technology and gadgets that someone would be able to identify the source (air, ground, whatever) of the boom. It has a definite pattern contained within the boom, a 1.2.3 as it were. If this is what people have been experiencing there for so long, I'd be genuinely alarmed if I were them. There are really only two things I can think of off the top of my head as sources:
1) The dry and relatively warm winter/spring the midwest experienced has reduced the ground water levels (ground water supports/floats rock) to the point where rock layers are fracturing from their own unsupported weight.
2) Somebody is building something really big deep under that city, and excavating with explosives.
Either scenario is fairly alarming.
Goin' where the lonely go
Your video sounds just like the other that CM posted...are they the same? Not that it matters but I was just thinking...IF this were some company or somebody blasting away under the earth then wouldn't the sounds be different? I can't imagine the sounds of a blast to be the same constant sounds like in this recording when taking in depth and rock thickness and all that into consideration.
Just plain eerie...especially with that "hiccup" noise afterward....
If anything mechanical it sounds like a pile driver like when they build bridges around here....but that's also got a different noise pattern...its not one constant noise and certainly has no hiccup echo....
Last edited by VesperSparrow; 03-31-2012 at 09:52 AM.
Definitely tunneling. Decent Americans will soon need them to get into Canada.
Please keep this hush-hush.
“Capitalism should not be condemned, since we haven't had capitalism.” --Ron Paul
Country exile in the city
I noticed they sounded the same also, but was thinking that (since Clintonville is a very small town, from what I've heard) that both were filmed very close to one another. The first one shows a picture of Main Street in Clintonville, the second a church that also appears to be downtown.
Here, for comparison, is the Colorado film--note the similarity in the "booms", but that this one is obviously MOVING underground (the sounds get gradually louder and closer together, then softer and farther apart as it fades into the distance), and it doesn't have that weird "HOO! ha-ha-ha" echo ...
The only "change" I CAN believe in: I Corinthians 15: 51-52!
WAKE ME WHEN IT'S OVER....
Country exile in the city
While I was playing these two recordings (the older Colorado one), my German Shepherd was nearby (she's on the porch, recovering from being spayed last Monday)---
and she got very agitated at the Colorado film (the one that preceded the Colorado earthquake)---came in the house, started barking, ears up and alert, turning her head to one side, then started running back and forth from the porch into the house and back.
I then played the Clintonville recording--no reaction from the dog. Maybe the sound wasn't loud enough (the Colorado one is FAR more clear, whereas both the Clintonville ones sound muffled).
Then I played the Colorado one again, and got the same reaction.
Very weird.
The only "change" I CAN believe in: I Corinthians 15: 51-52!
WAKE ME WHEN IT'S OVER....
Country exile in the city
You know, in listening to BOTH Clintonville recordings again, I believe they ARE the same one, and I do NOT believe there was more than ONE "boom".
I think the person who made the recorded just "spliced" or "re-recorded" the same ONE "boom" MULTIPLE times so it could be heard over and over.
So I don't think it has a "heartbeat" sound or "rhythm" at all--because I think it's just the ONE boom being replayed and replayed.
Also, because it is cut off at the end, I am not sure that the "ha! ha! ha!" echo sound I hear may not in fact be a distant dog barking...but the loud "WHEE!" sound immediately following upon the boom--now I can't imagine WHAT that is....
The only "change" I CAN believe in: I Corinthians 15: 51-52!
WAKE ME WHEN IT'S OVER....
Country exile in the city
Just tried my "dog" experiment again, with the speakers turned way up---
NO reaction at all to Clintonville (played that first).
MAJOR reaction to Colorado---first she alerted, then she began looking all around, then she barked a little, then she began whining and jumped down off the bench she was sitting on on the porch (she wasn't even in the den with me--she was out on the back porch), THEN she put her front paws on the porch railing and looked out all around turning her head rapidly from side to side while still whining, then she put her front paws on the porch door and starting pawing trying to get out.
DEFINITELY, in my mind, the Colorado sounds are earth-generated sounds preceding an earthquake, for here is the classic "animals going crazy" from hearing (apparently in a range WE cannot hear) something that scares them to death.
But whatever that sound is, it is MISSING from the Clintonville recording---either that or the recording is too poor to pick it up.
Just FWIW....
The only "change" I CAN believe in: I Corinthians 15: 51-52!
WAKE ME WHEN IT'S OVER....
Not what I was talking about. The video clearly is repeating the same boom again and again. Nevertheless, listen carefully again to the first few repeats of the booms in the video, there's lots of space between the duplications. There absolutely is a pattern or rhythym within each individual boom. As a trained musician, perhaps I hear it more easily or more clearly than some. I would think that the wave pattern within the boom would be identifiable to trained sound technicians.
Country exile in the city
Oh, I see--sorry about misunderstanding. That is a very interesting thought. Maybe the researchers Loup mentioned will pick up on some of that.
The only "change" I CAN believe in: I Corinthians 15: 51-52!
WAKE ME WHEN IT'S OVER....
Ancient Fuzzball
No, the current thought is that the rapid temperature and pressure change that happens often just before earthquake heads skyward, it either "erases" the clouds that are there in a pattern, or presses the water vapor hard enough to form clouds in strips.
Loup
(Ask yourself: What's in your Wallace?)
Ancient Fuzzball
E-Fields are the Electrical or Electrostatic fields from an antenna. Wire or metal antennas work best.
H-Fields are the magnetic field from an antenna. Coil antennas work best.
When the quartz is pressed, piezoelectric voltage generation happens, and lots of E-Field signals in the ULF-VLF range happen.
When the magnetosphere gets "hit" H-Field signals are generated in the LF range and below (ULF, ELF...)
VLF receivers and info:
http://mirl.sr.unh.edu/projects_elf.html
http://www.techlib.com/electronics/VLFwhistle.htm
http://home.pon.net/785/equipment/build_your_own.htm
http://www.backyardastronomy.net/vlf_receiver.html
http://www.auroralchorus.com/bbb4rx3.htm
ULF receivers and info:
http://www.vlf.it/matteobruna/ULF_Induction-Coil.htm
http://mirl.sr.unh.edu/ULF/ULF_svalbard.html
http://medwelljournals.com/abstract/...i.2008.113.117
http://www.nat-hazards-earth-syst-sc...-1-37-2001.pdf
Loup
(Ask yourself: What's in your Wallace?)
Ok....I rarely disagree with the majority here, (actually that's a lie) but I just watched the latest picture Dutchsinse posted. It's circled in red. Can't miss it. And what I found is spooky. Before you disagree, go look.
http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/
He is the only one who has nailed it on the head about the booms I've heard here in NW Alabama and I even posted about them.
March 26 he saw plumes rising directly over the area I live in. March 29 about 1am, I heard the huge boom that shook my room and shelves.
Loup, you said the current thought with those studying the booms is...... Are these facts? Or just ideas? And it was not a good guess by DS. He's got all the areas marked that this steam or whatever is rising. How could he have nailed it totally? No one else did.
And yes, I am always the one that believes what she wants and rarely follow the crowd. But so far, as I've stated many times on TB, listen to your gut and facts.
I rarely listen to thoughts. We all have them. But show me some facts and I can be swayed. His video has me leaning in that direction until someone comes up with something better.
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".Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in, broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, WOW, What a ride!"
Personal Responsibility..The one thing no one can take away from you
."The only tyrant I accept in this world is the still, small voice within me."
Back when I was a lot younger than I am now, I spent part of a summer at a camp, consisting of a bunch of cabins under trees. So I got the bright idea of putting an eyebolt at the peak of the eaves of a cabin, stretching piano wire to a tree to another bolt. And then turning that sucker violin tight.
Late in the night, I climbed the tree and scrapped a piece of slate on the wire. Results were astounding. Occupants thought the world had ended. Unfortunately a wind came along and the tree movement broke the wire before I could do it again on another evening.. Never told anybody.
Gonna be a lot of mad people if it turns out some kid figured out an electronic gizmo to create this incident.
"The misfortune of many is the consolation of fools" Ancient proverb
Country exile in the city
Considering that this covers a plus-hundreds-of-miles radius, that would have to be one HECK of an electronic gizmo.
But ah, Troke--you must have been the joy of your teachers!
The only "change" I CAN believe in: I Corinthians 15: 51-52!
WAKE ME WHEN IT'S OVER....
Ancient Fuzzball
Those are not steam plumes. He has tried to say this many times before, and has been proven wrong every time. Note two things, in the video, the "plumes" (actually clouds forming) form towards the north, suggesting that the "source" is the bottom of the "plume", but then the "source" moves to the east. These are clouds, not plumes.Ok....I rarely disagree with the majority here, (actually that's a lie
http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/
He is the only one who has nailed it on the head about the booms I've heard here in NW Alabama and I even posted about them.
March 26 he saw plumes rising directly over the area I live in. March 29 about 1am, I heard the huge boom that shook my room and shelves.
If you want proof, look at the video, and then try to figure out how the "source" moves if they are plumes. Then think about the size that these "plumes" are, relative to the size of the state on the map. These "plumes" would be from 20-80 miles wide, and MANY miles tall. They would be as big as some COUNTIES. SOMEBODY would have seen them coming up from the ground. Nobody did, because they are not "plumes", they are clouds. Clouds FREQUENTLY "appear out of thin air". A low pressure wave is all that is needed for all of these to appear at about the same time.
He did not "nail" anything other than pointing out lower altitude clouds that appeared as a low pressure wave went through.
There are two things that I was talking on this thread, as far as things that go along with quakes. First, the booms, which have been proven to be associated with "micro slip" fault movements. This is well known, yet no official is going to talk about it because they have been proven to be precursors to a larger quake. And since the noises have been heard over a LARGE area, one might expect a major calamity to happen soon. These have been well proven, and documented. And reports of them go WAY back through history.
The reason that they are trying to collect data on them, especially both magnetic and electrostatic data on these events, is because the ONLY way that you are going to pinpoint the source (and see which fault is releasing stress on which other fault line), is to detect the signals, analyze the times that they hit different sensors, and triangulate from there. Those booms mean trouble is coming.
As others have said, go back and read history about these areas. Read the history of the New Madrid fault and the earthquakes that happened almost exactly 200 years ago to the month (and after a series of three comets passed). Read Immanuel Velikovsky's works. There are plenty of information on precursor events. Animals have been picking up on them since long ago, we just have been ignoring the signs.
The second topic, was Earthquake clouds. These are what I was talking about being "a current thought" issue. The scientific community has still not decided if they want to attribute any guaranteed link between these striped clouds forming quickly just before an Earthquake, and the earthquake that happens sometimes after they form. There are a lot of scientists that are studying them, and many believe that there is a connection, but it is still in the theory stage.
Dutchsinse has not "discovered" anything new on the booms, and is far off on the other topics. He, and what he does is not fact, or even good information. He is entertainment, if that. We have debunked his reports before, including "steam plumes" on the west coast. He is looking for his 15 minutes of fame. He has been found making up science and news MANY times and has been "run out of town" many times as well. Research the name Michael Yuri Janitch, and look at his history.
Remember the words of President Reagan: "Trust but verify"And yes, I am always the one that believes what she wants and rarely follow the crowd. But so far, as I've stated many times on TB, listen to your gut and facts.
I rarely listen to thoughts. We all have them. But show me some facts and I can be swayed. His video has me leaning in that direction until someone comes up with something better.
If it can be EASILY proven false, many times over (which almost all of "Michael Janitch's / Dutchsinse" stuff can be, within seconds), don't believe it. If common sense can blow it away, then it probably is BS. If it does pass the math and the science, then it might be worth looking further into. So far, nothing that Dutchsinse has posted has made me want to look into it any more than what he posted.
If you can't present the math or science involved, or show how others can make their own sensors, devices, or systems to study what is being talked about, then you have shown nothing but either an opinion, or a thought. Dutchsinse is full of thoughts and opinions, and very short on facts and reality. He is looking for his 15 minutes of fame. And Youtube is FULL of people that are doing just that. Use Youtube for facts and science at your own risk.
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