Unexplained Noises Shake Clintonville, WI - Louder and Stronger Than Before!

[packyderms_wife]

Good theory during this interview. Looks like that areas' bedrock is granite with a little sandstone. The reporter states a theory that the water table is so low that the granite slabs are settling causing the load noises and vibrations. at the 4:56 mark

which is one of the suggestions I made way back on page one, the aquifers are being drained and once drained start to collapse.

K-

[Warm Wisconsin]

Not living that far from this area I can tell you the water table is not down right now in this area. Farther north and west the water tables are down, but not in this area. On my land the water is only about 4 feet below the surface. I just checked the water level in my well and a shallow pit well, and both are within inches of normal.

I can also say that even they say the area is mostly granite there are good pockets of true limestone in some of areas up here. I have a call into a friend who drills wells, and I am checking with him if he has drilled wells the area with the booms. He would then know best what is below the ground there.

Edit - My point of limestone verse granite is that limestone does crack in a same type of way to granite, but it would not cause the same type of sound. It would be a much softer type of boom, since it is closer to sandstone than granite.

My company has not been called in yet to help with the situation, but I am expecting a call today. We have vibration experts who use different types of accelerometers to trace vibration signals. I have two level 4 technicians that are itching to go, but no invited guests to the area are not welcome at the moment.

[Warm Wisconsin]

I would also like to say that there are a number of reports coming out of the northwest side of green bay this morning of these sounds. The one report I just heard of was at the west side YMCA, and it was heard by multiple people.

[VesperSparrow]

4 days of booms....wow....
I used to live near Eglin AFB and was around when they dropped baby MOABs as well as all other kinds of bombs (I'm no expert so that's why I describe it so elementary)...anyway...the NOISE and the way it would STARTLE the crap outta us in the middle of the night or when we were at the creek and all was quiet, then suddenly KABOOM!!! Over and over and over....I bet it takes a toll on the people up there ESPECIALLY because they have NO CLUE as to what's causing it....
Ghostbombs...

[packyderms_wife]

Not living that far from this area I can tell you the water table is not down right now in this area. Farther north and west the water tables are down, but not in this area. On my land the water is only about 4 feet below the surface. I just checked the water level in my well and a shallow pit well, and both are within inches of normal.

I can also say that even they say the area is mostly granite there are good pockets of true limestone in some of areas up here. I have a call into a friend who drills wells, and I am checking with him if he has drilled wells the area with the booms. He would then know best what is below the ground there.

Edit - My point of limestone verse granite is that limestone does crack in a same type of way to granite, but it would not cause the same type of sound. It would be a much softer type of boom, since it is closer to sandstone than granite.

My company has not been called in yet to help with the situation, but I am expecting a call today. We have vibration experts who use different types of accelerometers to trace vibration signals. I have two level 4 technicians that are itching to go, but no invited guests to the area are not welcome at the moment.

IS it possible the ajoining aquifers are having issues and the sound is carrying throughout the granite? I don't live in you area obviously so am just asking.

K-

[Countrymouse]

IS it possible the ajoining aquifers are having issues and the sound is carrying throughout the granite? I don't live in you area obviously so am just asking.

K-

Given the HUGE floods last year---could the aquifers possibly be down that much?

I know they've had tremendous drought in Texas and the southern half of the US, but I've not heard that was the case up north last summer, so even with a mild winter with little snowfall shouldn't their aquifers still be relatively well off?

[packyderms_wife]

Given the HUGE floods last year---could the aquifers possibly be down that much?

I know they've had tremendous drought in Texas and the southern half of the US, but I've not heard that was the case up north last summer, so even with a mild winter with little snowfall shouldn't their aquifers still be relatively well off?

WW said that the aquifers to the north and west were low, those were the ones I was asking about, if they are collapsing could the sound be travelling through the rock?

[Warm Wisconsin]

Given the HUGE floods last year---could the aquifers possibly be down that much?

I know they've had tremendous drought in Texas and the southern half of the US, but I've not heard that was the case up north last summer, so even with a mild winter with little snowfall shouldn't their aquifers still be relatively well off?

We did receive more than average rain last spring in this area. That varies depending on where you are in the state. The fall was fairly dry, and we did not receive that much snow this winter. However, this has just brought us back to normal water levels in the ground. Some of the lakes are slightly down, but not much.

[Warm Wisconsin]

WW said that the aquifers to the north and west were low, those were the ones I was asking about, if they are collapsing could the sound be travelling through the rock?

Most of northeast Wisconsin and northern Wisconsin is considered more of a flowage than an area with aquifers. Limestone and Sandstone allow water to travel trough it. This does not mean that there are not aquifers in the area. This is not my area of expertise, but I am a fisherman and understand some about our water shed.

[Warm Wisconsin]

WW said that the aquifers to the north and west were low, those were the ones I was asking about, if they are collapsing could the sound be travelling through the rock?

The water from the northern and western areas generally go to the Mississippi through the Wisconsin river. This area generally goes the other direction into lake Michigan through the fox and wolf rivers. Again, I can not discount you idea.

[VesperSparrow]

I'd like to know if there is anything 'out of place'...like telephone poles slanting, if there is a dam around has it or its surrounding areas changed, are the animals going nuts, does somebody have a camera set on a glass of water or something to record slo-mo movement when those 'booms' occur? Birds unusual? Clouds? Just the little things can sometimes tell us a whole bunch....

[Warm Wisconsin]

I'd like to know if there is anything 'out of place'...like telephone poles slanting, if there is a dam around has it or its surrounding areas changed, are the animals going nuts, does somebody have a camera set on a glass of water or something to record slo-mo movement when those 'booms' occur? Birds unusual? Clouds? Just the little things can sometimes tell us a whole bunch....

I can't comment on most that you said, but I do know they have set up cameras on bowls of water with objects in the water. They are hoping to see something in the water movement.

[wehrwulf]

I am rather disappointed with the response from the geologic community. This appears to be a very rare event, precious time and data may be lost if researchers do not get to the scene and investigate. I would hold the DNR and the University of Wisconsin as being especially deficient in this regard.
RB

Somebody needs to tell those hippies running the show in Madison that the ground is coughing up dead wolves............

That'll get a response.

[Warm Wisconsin]

Somebody needs to tell those hippies running the show in Madison that the ground is coughing up dead wolves............

That'll get a response.

Good one. They can also tell them that there is a free lunch, and will pay them their gas money for coming.

[Belties]

These guys need to understand that there are certain limits to seismometers and seismographs. They are both low frequency detectors, and only detect if there is physical movement of the mass that they are connected to. If the movement is below an underground air pocket or partially filled aquifer, the surface masses may not move at all.

Likewise, if the frequency is higher than what a seismograph is designed for, then it may or may not detect it. They also can use geophones, accelerometers, magnetometers, and ELF-LF receivers. ALL of these devices need to be in use to make sure that no signal is left undetected.

BTW, did anyone notice that it is 9 months from yesterday to the Mayan date... Just sayin.

Loup

....or that today's date on the Jewish Biblical calendar is Agar [I]28?!

That fits the 28 part of the 10-28, don't know where the 10 part fits....

All this is woowoo stuff of course.......just grasping at straws here...

[VesperSparrow]

Somebody needs to tell those hippies running the show in Madison that the ground is coughing up dead wolves............

That'll get a response.

[myrtlemaye]

WisconsinGardener - totally off topic but I looked at your jewelry site. The necklaces are beautiful and your photo presentations of them are lovely and inspired.

[Countrymouse]

....or that today's date on the Jewish Biblical calendar is Agar [I]28?!

That fits the 28 part of the 10-28, don't know where the 10 part fits....

All this is woowoo stuff of course.......just grasping at straws here...

REALLY?

Now that is interesting.

It never occurred to me that "10:28" might refer to a calendar other than the Julian / Gregorian one....

So today is the 28th day of the 10th Jewish month?

hmmmmmm.....

[Hansa44]

CM....are you keeping track of where this stuff is happening in Michigan and Wisconsin. The line it's following? Think I'll dig out my atlas today.

It seemed to start with that crack in Michigan.

Have to check youtube to see if this noise and things have been going on for a while, but no one paid attention to it.

Now, I need to say this.....When I lived out in the country in NW Indiana, we had farmers that would set off these explosive devices to keep the crows an birds out of the newly planted fields.

So many people complained, they had to quit using them. Plus, farmers are usually so busy this time of year they rarely have time for any news. Just sayin'

They also ran these things at night to keep small critters out of the fields.

[Warm Wisconsin]

This is interesting - This comment was made by a local

However I did notice a profound smell of methane (possibly sulfur gas) at different times throughout the night. My theory and after speaking with several locals is that is it trapped gas being released underground and shelves collasping from the lack of pressure of the escaped gas.

Then there is this almost straight south of Clintonville. Looks like they have an idea of where the smell is coming from, but can prove it.

http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/...-strange-smell

Strange smell causing concern in Fond du Lac

Updated: Wednesday, 21 Mar 2012, 6:13 PM CDT
Published : Wednesday, 21 Mar 2012, 10:43 AM CDT

Chad Doran, FOX 11 News

FOND DU LAC - Fifteen feet below Brooke Street in Fond du Lac, a mysterious substance is floating in the holding tanks of a pumping station. The substance was first noticed by a fisherman Tuesday afternoon. The man saw the liquid coming out of the pumping station.

Public Works operations director Stephen Kees says two technicians confirmed both the substance and the smell.

"This is a very milky white substance, kind of like between a petroleum smell and like a sulfur like smell," said Fond du Lac Public Works Operations Director Stephen Kees.

The fire department placed a boom in the Fond du Lac River to stop the liquid from spreading. Fire Chief Peter O'Leary says the pumping station has been shut down since the leak was noticed. O'Leary says only a small amount of the oily substance found it's way into the river. Crews will be spending most of the day pumping out what's left of the oily substance at the pumping station and Chief O'Leary says they have traced the source back from the pumping station sewer line to a recycling center about a block away.

"We went with Public Works to go do some testing of a nearby manhole and saw a substance in the water that wasn't normal, it was a murky white substance that smelled like it was petroleum based," he said.

O'Leary says he believes the leak is coming from a filtration system underneath Sadoff Metal Recycling. O'Leary says lab testing should confirm what the substance is. Sadoff CEO Mark Lasky did not want to go on camera, but tells FOX 11 the company takes environmental concerns seriously. Lasky says Sadoff is conducting it own investigation to see if it is the source of the leak. Lasky says the company has already paid for trucks to pump nearly 17,000 gallons of contaminated water from the pumping station.

"We don't know how much of that is contaminated, let's just says it's all contaminated and we could have had a significant environmental impact on our rivers," O'Leary said.

A hazardous situation averted thanks to an alert citizen.

[iboya]

interesting

[Hansa44]

I can't comment on most that you said, but I do know they have set up cameras on bowls of water with objects in the water. They are hoping to see something in the water movement.

By the way Warm Wisconsin. Thanks for joining in. I see you're a relatively new poster and very happy to have you. What a great time for you to jump in.

Maybe we can get some more inside info from what you are directly seeing and hearing. This is a mystery for sure. But hope you do have your bob ready to go if needed.

Looking forward to more of your posts. Thanks

[Countrymouse]

CM....are you keeping track of where this stuff is happening in Michigan and Wisconsin. The line it's following? Think I'll dig out my atlas today.

It seemed to start with that crack in Michigan.

Have to check youtube to see if this noise and things have been going on for a while, but no one paid attention to it.

Now, I need to say this.....When I lived out in the country in NW Indiana, we had farmers that would set off these explosive devices to keep the crows an birds out of the newly planted fields.

So many people complained, they had to quit using them. Plus, farmers are usually so busy this time of year they rarely have time for any news. Just sayin'

They also ran these things at night to keep small critters out of the fields.

Yes---and the areas of explosions are DIRECTLY SOUTH of Chicken Bone Lake.

But--as I noted on the maps I posted earlier---the fault line (what else would one CALL a "rift in the crust"? That's what the article says it IS)--- follows the Great Lakes and swings out BEYOND (to the west of ) the area where the booms are.

That doesn't necessarily contradict anything, in my mind---if stresses are buildling up ON the "Mid-Continental Rift" -- and it is NOT moving, then that is BAD news--it means the stresses are BUILDING, and are not being relieved. But it would make sense to me that the underground, BUILDING stresses are having an effect on the "neighboring" areas underground, so to speak---and that THEY are starting to squawk and squeak and CRACK under the strain.

It wasn't just Edgar Cayce who had that vision of America being split in half from the Great Lakes down---Gordon Michael Scallion has talked about it, too--

[Countrymouse]

Bear in mind, by posting these pics, I am by no means endorsing the "seers" one way or another.

I know there are "sources" of info, and then there are "sources"--and I BY NO MEANS recommend anyone walking into the Enemy's minefield by seeking these types of contacts for info. For one thing, the GMS map is suspect because it shows Israel being inundated, which we know from Scripture will NOT happen.

However, we do know that spirit beings---good OR evil---have somehow the ability to see into what we call "the future" a bit farther than we do (though not, of course, with the perfect vision of God himself). When Saul contacted a medium to call up Samuel, he got his information, though he did it in a VERY wrong way; the possessed woman who was following Paul and Barnabas around screaming that they were telling people how to be saved was telling the truth, but the "source" was tainted and Paul delivered her from it by casting out the demon. But it goes to show these creatures DO have access to information, and sometimes it is correct (but sometimes they lie, as well, to deceive us, so we have to be careful).

But, I take these together with many other sources, such as the earlier article I posted about the Mid-Continental rift being essentially a HUGE faultline where the North American continent TRIED to split apart, and which (according to the geologist who wrote the article) "healed" itself. Well, it makes sense to me that, if it ONCE "tried to split apart", then it could do so again, should sufficient force be exerted on it to cause it to do so.

To me, there could be a multiplicity of "forces" to do this. We all worried about the effects on the entire North American plate of what they were doing to the Gulf of Mexico to stop the leak a couple of years ago. Others have many times noted the New Madrid fault zone and the Cascadian range on the "Ring of Fire" fault zone--and here is the Mid-Continental Rift sandwiched between them. Others have mentioned the huge "Yellowstone Caldera"---and that extends almost to the EDGE of this mid-continental rift. Some have mentioned previously unknown or un-researched geo-magnetic forces being affected by the high level of solar activity we are now undergoing. And then there are the more 'out-there' theories of the gravitational effects of planetary and other celestial alignments and their effect on the earth. Add to those "insults" the smaller-level man-made "injuries" of activities such as "fracking".

I am looking at what all this is doing--CUMULATIVELY---to the area. In my personal opinion, we are seeing signs of some very large impending earth movements---I do not know if earthquake or volcanic but personally I favor the former---and it could coalesce with some folks' dreams, visions, and interpretations to produce catastrophic changes in the U.S., if not the world.

All this is, of course, mere speculation--which seems to be all ANYONE has to go on right now.

But this latest report--of a sulphurous, methane-like or petroleum-like smell, of some substances rising to the surface, and the unexplained booming noises---goes along with what anecdotal reports we do have about what was happening in the New Madrid region 100 years ago before THAT fault blew out.

[Countrymouse]

I would also like to say that there are a number of reports coming out of the northwest side of green bay this morning of these sounds. The one report I just heard of was at the west side YMCA, and it was heard by multiple people.

Hi WW! Are there any links to the reports you are hearing that you could share?

[Lilbitsnana]

If you follow the longitude down to the coast, you end up in the Biloxi area (plus or minus a few miles).

[VesperSparrow]

Yes---and the areas of explosions are DIRECTLY SOUTH of Chicken Bone Lake.

But--as I noted on the maps I posted earlier---the fault line (what else would one CALL a "rift in the crust"? That's what the article says it IS)--- follows the Great Lakes and swings out BEYOND (to the west of ) the area where the booms are.

That doesn't necessarily contradict anything, in my mind---if stresses are buildling up ON the "Mid-Continental Rift" -- and it is NOT moving, then that is BAD news--it means the stresses are BUILDING, and are not being relieved. But it would make sense to me that the underground, BUILDING stresses are having an effect on the "neighboring" areas underground, so to speak---and that THEY are starting to squawk and squeak and CRACK under the strain.

It wasn't just Edgar Cayce who had that vision of America being split in half from the Great Lakes down---Gordon Michael Scallion has talked about it, too--

I'm sooo not liking that map CM....
On Pensacola Beach, about a mile West there is an area named "Chicken Bone Beach".....a little South and East of the one up there....
enter more cringing.....

[Reborn]

How about a 1.5 earthquake in Clintonville Tuesday:

http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/rec...sc0008n7t.html

You can also see it listed here:
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/rec...s/quakes0.html

[rummer]

How about a 1.5 earthquake in Clintonville Tuesday:

http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/rec...sc0008n7t.html

You can also see it listed here:
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/rec...s/quakes0.html

Good find Reborn.

[Lilbitsnana]

How about a 1.5 earthquake in Clintonville Tuesday:

http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/rec...sc0008n7t.html

You can also see it listed here:
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/rec...s/quakes0.html

Nice of it to be added...after the fact.

If it had been posted to USGS before or even sometime Tue, people wouldn't have been asking so many questions and the article RB posted Tues evening wouldn't have reported USGS as saying that the closest quake was 1000 miles away.

[Red Baron]

Fair Use Cited
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USGS: Micro-quake near Wis. city bothered by booms

Posted: Mar 22, 2012 4:19 PM CDT
Updated: Mar 22, 2012 4:39 PM CDT

By DINESH RAMDE
Associated Press

MILWAUKEE (AP) - Federal geologists confirmed Thursday that a minor earthquake occurred this week near the eastern Wisconsin city where researchers have been investigating a series of unexplained booming sounds.

The U.S. Geological Survey said the 1.5 magnitude earthquake struck Tuesday just after midnight in Clintonville, a town of about 4,600 people about 40 miles west of Green Bay.

Geophysicist Paul Caruso told The Associated Press that loud booming noises have been known to accompany earthquakes. He said it's possible the mysterious sounds that town officials have been investigating are linked to the quake.

"To be honest, I'm skeptical that there'd be a sound report associated with such a small earthquake, but it's possible," Caruso said.

Earthquakes can generate seismic energy that moves underground at thousands of miles per hour, producing a sonic boom when the waves come to the earth's surface, Caruso said.

The U.S. Geological survey says earthquakes with magnitude of 2.0 or less aren't commonly felt by people and are generally recorded only on local seismographs. Caruso said the Tuesday earthquake was discovered after people reported feeling something, and geologists pored through their data to determine that an earthquake did indeed strike.

Local residents have reported late-night disturbances since Sunday, including a shaking ground and loud booms that sound like thunder or fireworks.

City officials investigated and ruled out a number of human-related explanations, such as construction, traffic, military exercises and underground work. The town has scheduled a news conference for Thursday at 6 p.m. but hasn't said what will be discussed.

http://www.wboc.com/story/17233219/u...hered-by-booms

[Lilbitsnana]

When will they pull the rabbit out of the hat for the other (hundreds? gee, what is the count?) booms and rattles over the last week?

[Wargus]

USGS confirms 1.5 magnitude earthquake in Clintonville
Updated: Thursday, 22 Mar 2012, 5:21 PM CDT
Published : Thursday, 22 Mar 2012, 3:15 PM CDT

Ben Krumholz, FOX 11 News
CLINTONVILLE - Things were quiet in Clintonville last night and today with the exception of a bombshell announcement.

The United States Geological Survey this afternoon confirmed a micro earthquake hit the Waupaca County community earlier this week.

This afternoon's earthquake announcement could bring officials a step closer to solving the mystery booms and shakes in Clintonville.

Meanwhile, residents hope the recent stint of quiet means the end of the unusual activity.

The rumblings were first heard and felt on Sunday night. They intensified early Monday morning and continued on Tuesday. Few calls have come in since Wednesday morning.

Overall, Clintonville police dispatch has answered more than 600 calls about the mysterious booms.

The City of Clintonville is holding a news conference tonight to discuss the new information. It will be at the high school at 6 p.m. It is open to the public. You can watch a live stream on fox11online.com.

FOX 11's Ben Krumholz spoke with Paul Caruso, a geophysicist from the U.S. Geological Survey this afternoon.

Caruso confirms, after gathering more data, the USGS was able to identify a boom on Tuesday as a 1.5 magnitude earthquake. He says it happened at 12:15 a.m.

Click here for details on the Clintonville earthquake
The USGS is looking into if the other booms and shakes in Clintonville were also earthquakes. However, he says even if more quakes are found, the 1.5 magnitude quake will likely be the largest.

Caruso tells FOX 11 it is the smallest earthquake he has ever heard of that people actually felt. He says similar earthquakes happen all the time in California, but people never feel them. Caruso says it is because the rock in Wisconsin is very old and well consolidated. He says the 1.5 magnitude quake would have likely only been felt within a few blocks around its epicenter.

“Our seismometers did not detect it initially, so we got reports that people felt something and we went back and looked at the data from that time and in that place and we finally were able to get enough data together to locate the earthquake. It was very small and very hard to locate,” said Caurso.

“So does this explain the booms and shakes people felt days before it and a little bit after?” asked FOX 11’s Ben Krumholz.

“There may have been additional quakes and we are looking into that right now, trying to locate those if there were additional quakes,” Caruso replied.

FOX 11's Ben Krumholz is working on the story and will have more on FOX 11 News at Nine.


http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/...n-clintonville

[Countrymouse]

Fair Use Cited
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USGS: Micro-quake near Wis. city bothered by booms

Posted: Mar 22, 2012 4:19 PM CDT
Updated: Mar 22, 2012 4:39 PM CDT

By DINESH RAMDE
Associated Press

MILWAUKEE (AP) - Federal geologists confirmed Thursday that a minor earthquake occurred this week near the eastern Wisconsin city where researchers have been investigating a series of unexplained booming sounds.

The U.S. Geological Survey said the 1.5 magnitude earthquake struck Tuesday just after midnight in Clintonville, a town of about 4,600 people about 40 miles west of Green Bay.

Geophysicist Paul Caruso told The Associated Press that loud booming noises have been known to accompany earthquakes. He said it's possible the mysterious sounds that town officials have been investigating are linked to the quake.

"To be honest, I'm skeptical that there'd be a sound report associated with such a small earthquake, but it's possible," Caruso said.

Earthquakes can generate seismic energy that moves underground at thousands of miles per hour, producing a sonic boom when the waves come to the earth's surface, Caruso said.

The U.S. Geological survey says earthquakes with magnitude of 2.0 or less aren't commonly felt by people and are generally recorded only on local seismographs. Caruso said the Tuesday earthquake was discovered after people reported feeling something, and geologists pored through their data to determine that an earthquake did indeed strike.

Local residents have reported late-night disturbances since Sunday, including a shaking ground and loud booms that sound like thunder or fireworks.

City officials investigated and ruled out a number of human-related explanations, such as construction, traffic, military exercises and underground work. The town has scheduled a news conference for Thursday at 6 p.m. but hasn't said what will be discussed.

http://www.wboc.com/story/17233219/u...hered-by-booms

So---"booming noises" ARE associated with earthquakes.

And there WAS an earthquake.

But this was just such a SMALL earthquake, the USGS didn't see fit to ANNOUNCE it until today.

A-hem........

[Lilbitsnana]

So---"booming noises" ARE associated with earthquakes.

And there WAS an earthquake.

But this was just such a SMALL earthquake, the USGS didn't see fit to ANNOUNCE it until today.

A-hem........

I and a few other have said over the years that some earthquakes can have a "boom" sound, but when nothing showed on USGS and they kept saying "not an EQ", I decided maybe they were something else.

It's not the first time (even this year) that they have gone back in time and added small EQs.

[SuElPo]

Yes I just heard Diane Sawyer on abc news report that a small earthquake was the reason for noises heard.

susan

[Countrymouse]

We've been talking on various threads here on TB2K for some time now that the USGS is NO LONGER REPORTING "every" quake---they seem to have a "threshold" under which they do not report. But we have had anecdotal reports of even higher-level earthquakes--in the 4's and above--in the Yellowstone area, that are NOT being reported.

Now...if they would do that in Yellowstone, I wonder why....???

And if they would do that HERE, I wonder why...???

[VesperSparrow]

So if this is indeed a quake then it started Sunday night? And is still happening? So they are having quake after quake? Albeit very 'micro', but still, a quake...

[hunybee]

So if this is indeed a quake then it started Sunday night? And is still happening? So they are having quake after quake? Albeit very 'micro', but still, a quake...

and almost only at night

and only after 8:00 pm......

[Reborn]

Yes I just heard Diane Sawyer on abc news report that a small earthquake was the reason for noises heard.

susan

All those days full of noises occurring at different times with different strengths and it's all being blamed on that 1.5? Right!