Unexplained Noises Shake Clintonville, WI - Louder and Stronger Than Before!

[Countrymouse]

Fair Use Cited

Clintonville noises: City equipment fails to tape mystery sounds

12:59 PM, Mar. 21, 2012

CLINTONVILLE — Officials are trying to record a series of mysterious booming sounds that have roused residents from bed in the past few days, but their attempts have come up empty.

The city of Clintonville set up audio and video recorders overnight Wednesday but didn’t capture anything. There was at least one loud boom at 5 a.m.

City administrator Lisa Kuss says most theories involving manmade causes have been ruled out. She says the city is planning to bring in some sort of vibration-detection devices to try to determine where the epicenter is.

The booms started Sunday. Residents describe them as sounding like thunder, fireworks or someone slamming a heavy door.

The city will hold a meeting Wednesday evening to update residents on the investigation.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/...sey=nav%7Chead

Maybe they should get CNN to do the recording for them.

Remember the first day?--that a reporter was ON THE PHONE with CNN and the booms could be heard even over the phone?

And now the government can't seem to find and/ or record them at all?

(or doesn't WANT to?....)

[Red Baron]

Fair Use Cited
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Clintonville hires engineering firm to find cause of strange noises

By Meg Jones of the Journal Sentinel March 21, 2012 4:24 p.m

Clintonville - The city where strange, noisy booms have awakened residents the past few nights is hiring an engineering firm to try to figure out the source of the sounds and tremors.

For a third straight evening, residents heard loud bangs at night and early morning in this Waupaca County community. So far, officials and experts haven't been able to figure out the source.

City Administrator Lisa Kuss said Wednesday afternoon that the Waukesha engineering firm of Ruekert & Mielke has been hired to install four ground monitors - at a cost of around $1,000 - to figure out if there's an epicenter to the noises that seem to be coming from the ground. The four monitors will be set up in a triangular pattern with one monitor in the middle and will be installed either late Thursday or early Friday.

The city is also contacting the U.S. Geographical Survey to research whether there's a fault line running underneath the community of 4,600.

Shaking and booming were heard again in a neighborhood on the northeast of Clintonville at 8 p.m. Tuesday and 5 and 6 a.m. Wednesday, according to calls received by police. Some also heard noises around 2:30 p.m. Wednesday.

Audio and video equipment set up to capture the sounds and tremors so far have not recorded anything, said Kuss. But hundreds of residents have reported the loud booms and shaking under their feet which began around 2 a.m. Monday.

There have been no injuries or damage reported. But quite a few people have lost sleep because the booming and shaking usually comes late at night.

Some are treating the inconvenience with humor. On the outskirts of town the Calvary Apostolic Church changed the words on the front of the church's sign - "God is shaking our city. Let's Have (a) Revival!"

A town meeting will be held Wednesday at 6 p.m. at Clintonville High School.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wiscons...143715026.html

[Countrymouse]

Looking at a couple maps, it looks to me (I could be wrong) that Chicken Bone Lake is above Clintonville, WI in almost a straight line. Interesting if that is indeed the case.

I took this screen shot of it---you're not kidding, Signwatcher! It does seem directly north of the area in Wisconsin (though I couldn't put up a pointer for 2 sites on one map. The pointer is on Chicken Bone Lake on Isle Royale in Lake Superior, off Thunder Bay in Michigan.)

[Red Baron]

Maybe they should get CNN to do the recording for them.

Remember the first day?--that a reporter was ON THE PHONE with CNN and the booms could be heard even over the phone?

And now the government can't seem to find and/ or record them at all?

(or doesn't WANT to?....)

Really, the level of almost willful ignorance is very interesting and very telling.

[Red Baron]

Clintonville public meeting live right now!

Waiting for first speaker.

Live streaming,

http://www.fox11online.com/generic/n...treaming-video

[Red Baron]

Clintonville Public Meeting Summary,

Mayor walks out, introduces herself, says she is only a part time mayor and walks off stage. Spent the whole time explaining how statue prevents her from issuing press releases.

(What a tool. Doesn't look good already folks ......)

City administrator acknowledges bangs, booms and noises. shows a map of citizen reports.

Takes forever to turn down the lights and the AV squad to get their stuff together.

(OMG)

Strong but unconfirmed "possibility" it is an underground "phenomena".

States it is likely a shallow event but offers no data or explanation.

Geologic firm hired to place sensors in a triangular pattern to determine origin.

May be on site Thursday or maybe Friday.

No assurance the data will be of any use.

Contract costs $7,000.

End of official comments now the rabble is solicited for questions and comments,

(This will be good)

Did the old armory explode? (Sit down jackass)

Temperature of tap water varied from very cold to rather tepid the last few days. (!)

No coal mines underneath the city.

The substrate under Clintonville is sand, rock and gravel with solid granite layer at 100' or so.

Possibly drunk guy says he has been feeling thumps for years.

"How will we be told to evacuate?" Reply "Don't worry."

"Is there any chance we could get a big earthquake here like in Mexico?" (Possible TB2K member)

"Is there a space thingie that can measure if the ground sinks?"

"Is the earth shrinking and expanding when the sun goes up and down?"

Resident and administrator speculating that the event may be diminishing.

Multiple residents asking what they can do for themselves if there is an earthquake. Reply, We have everything under control.

No indication there is an underground lake or river beneath the city.

A sewer gas smell was detected for a short time but dissapated.

Underground gas or water leaks can be remotely detected via pressure drops. None indicated.

One lady saying small cracks are propogating in her walls and the shaking is very intense at her specific location on a hill.

If the earth is shifting why don't we find any dead birds? (Prime TB2K candidate)

Old John has been a resident for 50 years, pays taxes and fell out of his chair on one blast, wants to know the emegency plan.

If there is an emergency city workers will go door to door.

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Lots of questions, no real answers from the city. No other speakers from the state or UW were there to comment.

[LoupGarou]

"Is there a space thingie that can measure if the ground sinks?"

Yes, it's called any satellite with synthetic aperture radar, and we have a few up there. Will they tell you if they find anything "interesting"? No guarantees on that.

My response would have been: Yes, it's called the ISS, they will call us if they see any towns go under water, and the Mississippi widen to 170-440 miles wide. Have a good night folks...

"Is the earth shrinking and expanding when the sun goes up and down?"

My response would have been: Yes, just like a jiffy-pop pan. Think about that.

Resident and administrator speculating that the event may be diminishing.

Are they getting louder or more often? My bet is yes.

Multiple residents asking what they can do for themselves if there is an earthquake. Reply, We have everything under control.

My favorite line from the government. IT'S A SEISMIC EVENT, you have NONE of it under control.

ETA: Missed one:

Old John has been a resident for 50 years, pays taxes and fell out of his chair on one blast, wants to know the emegency plan.
If there is an emergency city workers will go door to door.

How many emergencies? How many city workers? How many doors are in the town? I don't like the math here...

Loup

[Hansa44]

Well, if the geologic survey is under the government thumb, then the answers they will give should be next to amazing, meaning ridiculous. The noise seems to be already in denial. The answers the city just gave are whacky like what people should do if there is an earthquake? The answer was "we have it all under control". WTF kind of answer was that?

Or..how will be told to evacuate? answer was "don't worry". This sure tells the amount of intelligence floating around nowadays. Scary!

[Hansa44]

By the way Red Baron....THANK YOU for that excellent report! Good job!

[lassiesma]

As I have said on the board before, EVERYBODY needs to go around their house, and make sure that things that COULD fall over or off of shelves, CAN'T. I would also make sure that you have flashlights and other things ready and nearby.

After the quake last year that we had here, I have been working on "float" mounting all of the batteries for all of my solar power systems that I use. If we get a strong enough quake here (and I DO believe that the big one we had last year was a fore-shock (precursor quake) of a bigger one yet to come, I don't want cracked lead plates in my batteries.

There seems to be quite a bit of things to think about and plan for...

Loup

It might not be a bad idea to locate and test those utility shut off's if you haven't done so in a while.

[LoupGarou]

By the way Red Baron....THANK YOU for that excellent report! Good job!

+10000

Loup

[LoupGarou]

It might not be a bad idea to locate and test those utility shut off's if you haven't done so in a while.

Very good advice. And keep track of those fire extinguishers as well.

Personally, I am "off grid", so I don't have any utility connections. No propane or NG, and one flip of a breaker kills everything else.

Loup

[lassiesma]

Loup I don't know how your batteries shelved but a free standing or break away shelf setup reinforced with chains mounted on the ceiling andrunning through eye screws on each shelf should allow for swinging instead of bumping. Something kinda like this but on the outer edges and mounted to an existing setup and anchored to the floor.

[Reborn]

Red Baron, I really appreciate all the work you're putting into this thread! Especially your comments during that meeting, lol. I'm hoping that someone can get a decent recording of these sounds.

[Abdon]

Thanx for the synop RB. Much appreciated. I didn't have a chance to watch "public meeting" blather.

[Countrymouse]

Well, if the geologic survey is under the government thumb, then the answers they will give should be next to amazing, meaning ridiculous. The noise seems to be already in denial. The answers the city just gave are whacky like what people should do if there is an earthquake? The answer was "we have it all under control". WTF kind of answer was that?

Or..how will be told to evacuate? answer was "don't worry". This sure tells the amount of intelligence floating around nowadays. Scary!

Color me cynical---but those sound like the answers of a government that either 1. has no earthly idea what is going on nor a plan of action for emergencies, or 2. knows EXACTLY what is going on, and is basically saying to its people: "If an emergency should come, please remain calm and orderly, do not panic, stay in your places, and just let ME get out the door first"...

Not trying to re-introduce the ET idea (God forbid), but this DOES remind me forcefully of two other town reactions in movies:

1. The reaction of the government to the UFO sightings in "ET";
2. The reaction of the mayor and city council in "JAWS".

Which is not comforting.

[msswv123]

Mysterious Sounds And Rumble Now Being Reported In Montello, 80 Miles South of Clintonville

[packyderms_wife]

Mysterious Sounds And Rumble Now Being Reported In Montello, 80 Miles South of Clintonville

No way a mining crew would make 80 miles in just a few days, and if they are tunneling underground that's would they would be using, miners to remove the rock, granite, limestone, etc.

K-

[Normallguy]

No way a mining crew would make 80 miles in just a few days, and if they are tunneling underground that's would they would be using, miners to remove the rock, granite, limestone, etc.

K-

Unless there is more than one tunnel or cavern.

Isa 2:19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
Isa 2:20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
Isa 2:21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
Isa 2:22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?
KJV

Jeff

[FarOut]

Nobody who heard the sounds was able to determine a direction from which they came so everyone assumed they came from underground. If seismometers aren't picking up anything maybe the sounds aren't from below but from above.

[packyderms_wife]

Nobody who heard the sounds was able to determine a direction from which they came so everyone assumed they came from underground. If seismometers aren't picking up anything maybe the sounds aren't from below but from above.

nothing incoming at the moment unless the granite is picking up the super nova's that recently went off, and in which case then the entire east coast would be humming as well as WI and MN.

[Lilbitsnana]

No way a mining crew would make 80 miles in just a few days, and if they are tunneling underground that's would they would be using, miners to remove the rock, granite, limestone, etc.

K-

I have been searching the net, and came across this. http://www.showme.net/~fkeller/quake/sitemap.htm

Reed is a retired geologist who studied oil formations in the Gulf of Mexico. Oversimplified, his theory says a crack in the North American tectonic plate runs from Louisiana through New Madrid to the St. Lawrence Seaway. Seismic activity in the western Gulf of Mexico would directly affect the New Madrid area

http://www.aapg.org/explorer/2002/11nov/rift_zone.cfm

It's not exactly what I was looking for, but it is close enough to make me think there is something similar up there.

The guy's comment in the very last paragraph was interesting.

So, the obvious question for Reed is, what's the exploration potential of this rift zone that cuts through North America?

"Not much," Reed conceded. "However, if you want waterfront property you should buy land around Indianapolis. In a couple of million years this acreage could be overlooking the Strait of America that separates western (and) eastern America!"

http://www.aapg.org/explorer/2002/11nov/rift_zone.cfm

pic of this guys theory

[byronandkathy2003]

Nobody who heard the sounds was able to determine a direction from which they came so everyone assumed they came from underground. If seismometers aren't picking up anything maybe the sounds aren't from below but from above.

i will bet a dollar to a doughtnut it is sonic booms from air plains and the government is being very hush hush about it ..

[nharrold]

No way a mining crew would make 80 miles in just a few days, and if they are tunneling underground that's would they would be using, miners to remove the rock, granite, limestone, etc.

K-

If tunneling were involved, the waste rock would have to be transported somewhere and disposed of; I haven't seen any witness statements to that effect; or have I missed something???

[onetimer]

Good theory during this interview. Looks like that areas' bedrock is granite with a little sandstone. The reporter states a theory that the water table is so low that the granite slabs are settling causing the load noises and vibrations. at the 4:56 mark

[Hansa44]

I have seen that happen in firepits outside. A large rock thats used for the ring will pop and suddenly crack in two pieces , but that usually takes lots of heat to do that.

Or if you make a large fire in the winter when the rocks are cold.

[Countrymouse]

Looking at some more maps...


If you take my pic of Chicken Bone Lake (above & re-copied here)---

and then look at the locations of Clintonville and Montello (one is a ways north and west of Oshkosh--look north of New London to see Clintonville--and the other just a wee bit to the south and west--look where the arrow with the "A" is)--BOTH are in a nearly straight line south of Chicken Bone Lake. Chicken Bone Lake is in Lake Superior, and these two towns not all that far relatively from Lake Michigan:

(okay--I can't figure out HOW to get my text "in between" the pictures I've attached because the message box doesn't SHOW where the attachments ARE or how to get either "in between" OR below them, so for clarity's sake I will continue my post in a separate, SECOND post---aaack!!! for aggravation inserted)---

[jed turtle]

I have seen that happen in firepits outside. A large rock thats used for the ring will pop and suddenly crack in two pieces , but that usually takes lots of heat to do that.

Or if you make a large fire in the winter when the rocks are cold.

they used to tell us to only use rocks that have not been in streams or damp places, for fire rings, because they will explode from the water turning to steam...

maybe there's a clue there. the earth may be heating up down deep from celestial influences, [like the kind of influence that has been dramatically affecting the direction and rate of movement of the Earth's magnetic field) and as the higher than average heat rises into the bedrock above the molten core, there are pockets of water that turn to steam, with no where to escape and just bust the rock apart, causing all sorts of havoc.

[Countrymouse]

Looking at some more maps...


If you take my pic of Chicken Bone Lake (above & re-copied here)---

and then look at the locations of Clintonville and Montello (one is a ways north and west of Oshkosh--look north of New London to see Clintonville--and the other just a wee bit to the south and west--look where the arrow with the "A" is)--BOTH are in a nearly straight line south of Chicken Bone Lake. Chicken Bone Lake is in Lake Superior, and these two towns not all that far relatively from Lake Michigan:

(okay--I can't figure out HOW to get my text "in between" the pictures I've attached because the message box doesn't SHOW where the attachments ARE or how to get either "in between" OR below them, so for clarity's sake I will continue my post in a separate, SECOND post---aaack!!! for aggravation inserted)---

It is striking to me how this seems to be following the "Niagara Escarpment" that Jed Turtle found a map of (see his post # 30) and which Mrs. Packyderm's wife identified as also being called the "Mid-Continental Rift":

[/QUOTE]

Now, not wanting to get too "woo-woo" here, but if memory serves---isn't there some guy who says the US is going to open up and be split down the middle,with the Great Lakes draining into the Gulf of Mexico, so that you have a huge interior gulf or even an entire split-off of the Eastern U.S. into a separate "island"?

And these 3 places all appear to be on that rift...just sayin'...


[ETA---I would DEEPLY appreciate it if a mod or some techie-savvy person would tell me HOW do I work with attachments and text---since once I've put in an attached picture there is NOTHING on the post box to show me that I have done so or WHERE it is, so I have no way to go "under" that attachment to put in subsequent text and pictures---if I can't see where it is how can I "maneuver" it? Thanks!]

[Countrymouse]

So, the mid continental rift and the Niagara Escarpment are the same thing? The pictures are not the same. Here is the mid continental rift:



and here is a different picture of the Niagara Escarpment:



That second picture certainly goes right through Clintonville, not to mention my own hometown. And, in some ways, it might explain noises heard out east at the same time as here. However, according to this, it is not a fault line at all:

http://niagaragreenbelt.info/listing...e-reserve.html



There is a state park about 12 miles from here that has lovely sculptured, limestone cliffs, probably from the same Escarpment.

I think perhaps the Niagara Escarpment is a different landform from the Mid-Continental Rift, because the article below DOES describe this as a fault line--an area where "the Earth's crust split across part of the North American continent. This tear or rift, known as the Midcontinent Rift System, extended for 950 miles from what is now Lake Superior to Oklahoma, and was on its way to becoming a full-fledged ocean when the process halted."

So as Wisconsin Gardener noted, they are NOT apparently the same thing.

I did find it very interesting that, HAD THIS RIFT CONTINUED TO GROW, it would have created an interior "ocean" in the middle of the North American continent---just as some of those "woo-woo" visionaries have said WILL happen in the future.

Here is more info from the article:

Red ball iconTHE MIDCONTINENT RIFT
IOWA'S Almost OCEAN . . .
by Raymond R. Anderson Rift Map

http://www.igsb.uiowa.edu/Browse/rift97/rift97.htm

One billion years ago, the Earth's crust split across part of the North American continent. This tear or rift, known as the Midcontinent Rift System, extended for 950 miles from what is now Lake Superior to Oklahoma, and was on its way to becoming a full-fledged ocean when the process halted. Rocks deposited during the rift's formation can be seen today surrounding Lake Superior, including basalts along Minnesota's North Shore and sandstones along Wisconsin's Bayfield Peninsula. Across most of Minnesota, Iowa, and part of Kansas, the rift is buried by nearly one-half mile of younger sedimentary rocks. Studies of exposed Lake Superior rocks, combined with gravity, magnetic, and seismic information, have improved our understanding of the Midcontinent Rift, one of the largest and most spectacular geologic features in North America.

Research suggests that stresses, generated by deep heat and pressure differences, pulled at the continent and opened fissures through its crust. Huge volumes of molten rock flowed up to the surface and were deposited in the developing rift valley as dense, dark volcanic rocks, especially basalt and gabbro. As the rift grew and the valley floor sank, still more volcanic rocks were deposited, ultimately reaching tens of thousands of feet in thickness. When the outpouring of volcanic rock ceased, crustal settling continued, producing a lowland trough into which rivers flowed, and a large lake formed. The lake filled with gravels, sands, and silts, setting the stage for the final dramatic episode in the history of the rift.

Crustal movement that first pulled the continent apart then reversed and began to push it back together. This compression forced the dense basaltic rocks upward, producing a range of mountains along the axis of the rift. The thick lake deposits were eroded off the steadily uplifting mountain range and were redeposited in a series of deep sedimentary basins along its flanks. In Iowa, the sediments were almost completely removed from the uplifting central block (known as a horst) and the basaltic volcanic rocks were exposed.

[Hansa44]

CM...I believe the guy who predicted the lakes would drain out is Edgar Cayce.

[willowlady]

i will bet a dollar to a doughtnut it is sonic booms from air plains and the government is being very hush hush about it ..

Having lived in Lancaster, CA and being subject to repeated sonic booms due to the testing that went on, I can testify that such sounds clearly come from above, I've never heard them boom in doppler effect sequence, and surely there is somebody in Clintonville that could identify a sonic boom if they hear one. Further, air planes do not make sonic booms. Jets make sonic booms.

[Quark]

My 2 cents:

I have a friend in Wisconsin who is a welder by trade. They used to entertain themselves at lunch by filling up paper sacks with acetylene and lighting them on fire. Makes a terrific boom. So, maybe local kids are pulling a major prank......

Part II, I have been interested in hardrock, underground mining for quite a while. Most miners if not all miners are familiar with the strange noises in the rocks/ ground.

They called them "Tommy Knockers" .....

Finally, there are the stories of the highspeed underground pneumatic transport systems that the ex spooks are sharing.

Peace through superior psionics,

Quark

[Red Baron]

Fair Use Cited
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Four more early morning reports of booms in Clintonville Thursday

By the WTMJ News Team
CREATED 5:23 AM

CLINTONVILLE - A series of new reports of mysterious booms have come into the WTMJ newsroom Thursday morning.

Authorities tell us of four of those reports coming in since 4:00 a.m. Thursday.

In the meantime, people who live there packed Clintonville High School on Wednesday night to find out what's being done about the booms that have put the community on edge.

A company in Waukesha will install monitors to measure underground vibrations.

Those measurements will hopefully lead to the source.

"At this point, I want to reiterate we hope to find answers for you, but it is possible we will never have a definitive answer," said City Administrator Lisa Kuss.

People have a lot of ideas on what they think is the cause - everything from warm weather to wild conspiracies.

http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/143782006.html

[cdwarior]

Almost no snow and/or ice in Pittsburgh. Lake Erie never froze either.

[Red Baron]

I got a better feel for the situation in Clintonville after watching the public meeting yesterday evening and reading local media there.

My take,

- In many cases the booms are -very- loud and seem to be -very- close.

- In some cases items can clearly be seen moving on shelves or counters.

- There appear to be a few cases of minor cracks in plaster and masonry walls.

- The reports do seem to be confined to the city limits. Few reports from the countryside but it is a sparsely populated area outside of the city.

- Many residents have a sincere and well founded concern for the safety of themselves and their property.

- The City of Clintonville does not have many resources and appears to be doing what it can.

- Since this is a rather unique event and there has been no significant damage or injuries, this event runs well outside of the playbook for state and local government response or aid.

I am rather disappointed with the response from the geologic community. This appears to be a very rare event, precious time and data may be lost if researchers do not get to the scene and investigate. I would hold the DNR and the University of Wisconsin as being especially deficient in this regard.

RB

[msswv123]

I wonder if one could find a map of methane deposits in that area? It seems it would be coming from underground if it's causing the shaking in the homes. Is there a large fracking operation anywhere in the area. Remember they just reported in the past couple of months that fracking causes earthquakes. Just thinking out loud~ blessings T

[Limner]

snip....

Clintonville Public Meeting Summary,


Temperature of tap water varied from very cold to rather tepid the last few days. (!)

.

OK, THIS is freaky.

Remember in the movie, 2012, where the scientist was allerted to what was happening, because of the increase in the temperature of the earth's water?

[LoupGarou]

These guys need to understand that there are certain limits to seismometers and seismographs. They are both low frequency detectors, and only detect if there is physical movement of the mass that they are connected to. If the movement is below an underground air pocket or partially filled aquifer, the surface masses may not move at all.

Likewise, if the frequency is higher than what a seismograph is designed for, then it may or may not detect it. They also can use geophones, accelerometers, magnetometers, and ELF-LF receivers. ALL of these devices need to be in use to make sure that no signal is left undetected.

BTW, did anyone notice that it is 9 months from yesterday to the Mayan date... Just sayin.

Loup

[LoupGarou]

I found a really nice, simple design for a magnetometer for detecting field shifts due to solar storms hitting us, or from seismic changes and stresses happening:
http://motivationtolearn.org/wordpress/?p=396

You don't have to build the LED part, just use a cheap LED flashlight laid in a "V" shaped holder so that it re-aligns automatically each time you change batteries. You could always hack the flashlight and use a DC adapter as well...

They also have a good seismograph as well:
http://motivationtolearn.org/wordpress/?p=530
http://motivationtolearn.org/wordpress/?p=104
http://motivationtolearn.org/wordpress/?p=110

Loup