What happened to the H1N1 sticky thread?

[SpiritBear]

Hey, gang.

What happened to the H1N1 sticky thread up at the top of the board?

Clicking on the thread title or any of the three pages of posts brings up the TB2K page headers but NO thread content..

Boss came in today really sick and with a 103 deg. temp (doh!). Later was confirmed by Doc to be H1N1. (Greaaaaat). So, now I'm trying to figure out what to do..have already washed the clothes I wore in, drank some Eldeberry tea and am going to load up on Vita C, Echinacia and whatever else I can think of..

Any ideas/help would be MUCH appreciated!

Thanks..

- S

[Ben Sunday]

I don't understand how they can have a same day verification that a person has H1N1. Somebody correct me, please, but my impression was that the testing took time, i.e. more than a few hours.

Ramping up supplements, and other protective measures, is a fairly personal thing. Lots of guidelines have been offered around here, so check the mega thread here on TB. Folks like Tom McDowell and Summerthyme have lots of ideas you might find helpful.

Link to the Comprehensive Flu Coverage mega thread.

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showt...highlight=H1N1

[Ben Sunday]

It looks like the sticky thread was a victim of the D-O-S attack a few months back. The first page is blank, and clicking the last post link takes you to an Earth Changes discussion.

Of course, the staff would know much more about it.

[SpiritBear]

I don't understand how they can have a same day verification that a person has H1N1. Somebody correct me, please, but my impression was that the testing took time, i.e. more than a few hours.

Hey, that'd be great. Maybe we just have bad info. But that's what's being said in the grapevine, so I dunno.

I did try to check the Mega thread, but looks like it was a victim of the DOS a month or two back and is now blank?

MODS - Any chance we can get that thread restored? Sounds like it has a ton of good info for many..Thx.

[summerthyme]

It's likely your boss was confirmed to have Type A influenza on a rapid swab test... and they must be assuming (with reason) that if he's positive for Influenza A, it's H1N1. Lots has fallen off the news lately, but the last I heard, 99% of the influenza A positive cases which were tested further were H1N1...

As far as the stickied thread... I'll see if I can find some of it on my computer. I'm not sure how much I've saved..

Summerthyme

[summerthyme]

Phew... I have most of it saved, I think... at least the first two pages.

Here is the first post in the thread

Guys... I'm not going to post every response in that thread here. If someone wants ALL of it, PM me and I'll send them to you via e-mail or something; you can repost them here or set up a page on another server just for the thread. I'm out of time to do much more tonight.

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H1N1: what to do if it hits your community: remedies, and links

Guys... A few of us on the gigantic flu thread thought we needed something short, sweet and simple (well, as simple as it can ever get!). Too many of us are encountering panicked people in our real lives who have loved ones very ill with H1N1 (presumably, if not provably) and many are being blown off by doctors- or can't get TamiFlu even if they get a prescription.

Hence, this list. Tom McDowell and some others will be chiming in- I hope!!

You first need to keep the viral load down as much as possible. This is how TamiFlu works. It's also how elderberry works... and probably lomatium root as well. Resveratrol also seems to keep the viral numbers low, although I can't remember reading if it works by preventing replication (like elderberry and TamiFlu) or if it has another mechanism.

You can buy elderberry based syrups in most health food stores, or on the net. Look for Sambucus or Sambucol, or similar brand names. You want something which is as close to pure elderberry as possible... NO echinacea or other "immune stimulant herbs" added, please! (H1N1, like the 1918 strain, and the H5N1 bird flu strain, can cause a massive over-reaction of the healthy immune system, and rapid death because of it. This is what we call the "cytokine storm". While I don't see any support for doing things which actually depress your immune system (sorry, no reason to party all night and burn the candles at both ends! LOL!), using typical "immune boosters" is NOT advisable for most young healthy folks during this flu season.

Follow the directions on the product you purchase, but consider taking it more often than many products suggest- we've found that every 4 hours around the clock (for someone in the acute stage of the flu and for a couple days afterward) keeps symptoms and severity down better than anything. My syrup recipe can probably have the dosage dropped to 2 tsps for your average adult, as long as you take it every 4 hours...

Resveratrol... this can be either made as a tincture from Japanese knotweed (most can find this weed growing everywhere- at least here in the Northeast). If you use a high proof (160-190 proof) alcohol to make the tincture, you should get about 50 mgs per ml of resveratrol. Take 1-2 cc's every 2-4 hours (it doesn't stick around in the blood long)

Alternatively, you can buy resveratrol tablets or capsules. Again, follow their directions in terms of how many capsules to take at a time, but take them FREQUENTLY (most "recommended dosages" are for "anti-aging"... not flu)

Lomatium root- I'm going to let Tom McDowell give the specs on this, but follow his directions on the tincture.

(if you have limited funds, it's most important to get AT LEAST ONE of these (either elderberry or lomatium)... the resveratrol can be used to supplement either of them, but I wouldn't use it alone.)

Vitamin D3 may be useful, although there's certainly no proof. It's not something to take so much as a "remedy", but starting well before you are exposed. Up to 4000IU daily should be safe for anyone... possibly higher doses for VERY short term use.

High dose vitamin C doesn't have much in the way of proven anti-flu results, but it can't hurt. Taking too much can cause loose bowels- cut back if that happens.

For the inflammation this flu causes (and that's part of the cytokine storm syndrome- many are reporting severe pain in joints, muscles, and other body systems), Curcumin is the best and most effective remedy out there. Take it with piperine (brand name bioperine), or find a product which has both in one. DO NOT EXCEED 20 mgs piperine daily, and it's advised to stay under 10 mgs under normal conditions.

Curcumin dosage can be as much as 500 mgs, up to 4x a day. It can also cause loose bowels... again, it's harmless, just cut back if it happens.

****DO NOT take piperine if you take Rx meds, until you research your own meds. The 'net has some good lists of those which can interact. The "interaction" almost always is delayed excretion times... for most, it's a minor problem, but for some heart meds or diabetes drugs, it can be a big problem****

Treat the fever, as H1N1 seems to have an affinity for higher temperatures (probably due to it's bird flu component strain). Tylenol or ibuprofen... aspirin for adults, but NOT for kids or teens. Reyes syndrome is the reason (Google it if you're not familiar with it).

Dextromethorpan is the most effective OTC cough suppressant on the market in the US. Codeine (15 mgs) is better, but less available. DON'T suppress a productive cough (one which is bringing up mucous) except at night so the patient can rest. During the day, use Mucinex or it's equivalent generics to loosen mucous so it can be coughed up and excreted.

If someone is feeling very congested but Mucinex doesn't give relief, it's likely they are experiencing inflammation and swelling in the lungs. Curcumin works, but if you see no improvement within 12 hours or so, get them to the ER! (in children, or "high risk" groups- ie: pregnant women- just go to the ER if you suspect this is happening!!!)

Eucalyptus essential oil in a vaporizer can help with congested breathing as well.

Above all, REST. Monitor the resting pulse rate of the patient... write it down. If it seems extraordinarily high, call the doctor. My husband's ran over DOUBLE his normal (very low- he has a "runners' heart" according to the docs) for close to a week. In someone who isn't physically strong to start with, this can be very dangerous. Resting IN BED reduces the strain on the body.

You may need to treat digestive symptoms. Immodium works well on loose bowels. Ginger tea, or "real" ginger ale (you can make ginger tea by steeping ginger root- or candied ginger pieces- in hot water for 20 minutes or so. Sweeten to taste) are excellent for nausea.



As a list:

Elderberry syrup or tincture, OR

Lomatium root tincture

Resveratrol (homemade tincture, Pinot Noir wine, or tablets)

Curcumin either with piperine, or alone, and with piperine taken separately IF you can.

Vitamin D3

Vitamin C

Mucinex to loosen mucous

Cough suppressant of your choice (avoid "combination" formulas)

OTC meds for reducing fever and pain relief

OTC meds for nausea and diarrhea- Pepto Bismol, Immodium, ginger capsules or tea

Vicks or Eucalyptus essential oil for a vaporizer or steam treatment for congestion.

What to watch for:

Lethargy (someone feels just SO tired they don't want to do *anything*. Even talking is exhausting. Feeding themselves is "too hard")

Very high resting heart rate, or extremely (abnormally, for the patient) slow.

Any bluish/grayish tinge to the skin... especially finger and toe-nail beds, or lips. THIS IS A DANGER SIGN!!!! CALL 911, and DON'T DELAY. Prop the patient into a semi-sitting position, keep their clothing loose and get professional help!

Mental confusion; not being as "sharp" as they usually are. This is usually a sign of either oxygen debt, or a very high fever.

High fever (above 103°F) that you CAN'T reduce with OTC meds, cool baths, etc.

Expect to see any of these, but don't unduly worry unless some of the above symptoms are also expressed:

Lack of appetite- can be severe. Tempt them with light, but nourishing foods- puddings, ice cream, milkshakes, soups... whatever they'll take.

DON'T let them refuse liquids... be as forceful as necessary in getting at least 4 ounces of liquid down adults every hour (doesn't have to be that frequent, but it should average out. This is vitally important if they are running a fever, and/or have diarrhea. Dehydration can cause all sorts of problems.

Use whatever "liquids" settle best and appeal to them: juices, ginger ale, herb teas... anything they'll take and retain.

Avoid caffeine, especially if their heart rate is elevated. For people who are habitual caffeine users (several cups of coffee or cans of soda daily), they are likely to develop a withdrawal headache which can be severe. Try letting them sip SMALL amounts of their beverage of choice- just enough to keep the withdrawal at bay.

I'm going to get busy here on the farm, and let Tom and the others help out with links for sources.

Summerthyme

[summerthyme]

Most of this was in response to some questions from members... I think the responses are clear enough that the questions can be inferred....

Checking in quick (how DID the greenhouse get that blasted crowded and messy in the past two months, anyway? LOL!)

Yes, preventing dehydration is important... that's what the "force liquids" is about. We had the severe joint/leg pain, and I know what dehydration pain is like- that wasn't it. Dehydration WILL cause muscle cramps, though... if someone DOES get dehydrated, electrolyte solutions (Gatorade, pedialyte, etc) are good.

I agree, you don't *have* to stop diarrhea, but if someone is weak and sick, it's more stress to be trying to get up to the bathroom in time. For food poisoning or other oral toxins, absolutely, let it run it's course. For this... first, make sure it's not just that you're overdoing the curcumin or elderberry (it IS a berry syrup, after all!)

Sligo... if you can take curcumin, that's probably the most effective remedy you can use. We were really amazed at how well it DID work for us... when the inflammatory pain was at it's worst, it was the *only* thing that worked.

For those who are allergic/sensitive to turmeric (it's in the ginger family, so that can be a clue) or who have gall bladder disease (and hence, shouldn't take a bile stimulant), Celebrex- the Rx COXX-2 inhibitor may be a reasonable alternative. It concerns me a bit because of the cardiac damage it has caused in some people, but for some reason, those incidents were MUCH rarer with Celebrex than with Vioxx (another COXX-2 inhibitor). You should talk to your doctor about that, though. It is available through the www.alldaychemist.com website.

I can't address the homeopathic remedies, because I haven't done enough reading or experimenting with them. If you understand them, and can use them properly, go for it. However, I know that things like coffee and menthol are supposed to completely "deactivate" them... so unless you know what you're doing, you're likely to be depending on something which doesn't have much chance to work.

I did forget Hawthorn... a mild cardiac support herb which might be very useful in ameliorating some of the cardiac effects. Taken as a tea, it has almost no side effects, and is safe for most.

Also, CoQ10- a supplement which is vital in cellular energy production. It's invaluable in congestive heart failure, and is definitely something people may want to keep on hand. (IF you take statin drugs, you NEED to be taking CoQ10- they deplete the body's reserves of it in a hurry)

If you do have an auto-immune disease, your risks of cytokine storm *may* be higher than normal (it stands to reason that an already hyper-reactive immune system would react even more strongly than "normal", but I haven't seen any studies on this, so this is my opinion only). If I had that problem, I'd be taking elderberry or lomatium root on a daily basis whenever I had ANY contact with outsiders (hence, potential contact with the virus).

At the least, you should be able to keep the virus from penetrating deep into the body and reproducing, if you take regular doses of an anti-viral.

HTH

Gotta get back to work. I'll check in later.

Summerthyme

[summerthyme]

This was from SassyinAZ, whose niece (IIRC) was hospitalized in very grave condition from H1N1, but who recovered:
This is a portion of an email I sent to my own family dealing with direct exposure and a confirmed severe case of h1n1 (hospitalized on a ventilator with organ failure, was pregnant mother just gave birth at 28 weeks to twins).

Immediately go to Walgreens/CVS/Health food store, buy and begin taking:

Get enough for 1 week to begin (so one bottle of Sambucol and one pack of losenges per person, the rest 1 bottle should be enough for all), can get more via online order and better prices later (that's what the links are for and there is also pictures, look in the cold/flu section, where the alternative meds are).

Sambucol -- Elderberry syrup, Nature’s Way, intensive use instructions, every 6 hours
http://www.vitacost.com/Natures-Way-...Syrup-Original
18.09 = 8 oz/24-2 tsp servings x 4 per day = 6 days 1pp

Sambucol Lozenges -- as directed and/or combined with above. Alternate if you need to but don’t skip.
http://www.vitacost.com/Natures-Way-...ginal-Lozenges
8.29 30/30 servings -- 4 per day intensive treatment = 28 week 1pp

Turmeric -- Standardized 95% root, Nature’s Way, x 3 per day, every 8 hours
http://www.vitacost.com/Natures-Way-...rmeric-Extract
9.79 60 tabs/3 day = 21 week 1pp

Piperine -- take with the Turmeric, NO more than 2 tabs per day (hard to find, ask at health food store, if they don’t have it no one does and will have to get online).
http://www.vitacost.com/Source-Natur...-mg-60-Tablets
5.09 120 tabs

OR see if there is Turmeric (standardized 95% root) WITH piperine if you can’t find them seperately

Vitamin D3 -- take at least 1 per day, more if you are comfortable with the dose; any comparable brand.
http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Vitamin-...U-300-Capsules
9.99 2000 IU - 300 Capsules

Immediately order, online only. Extremely fast shipping, requires signature.
For extract and respiratory tea, Montana Medicinals (lightening fast shipping): 35.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/Synergy-7-Formul...ana-Medicinals

As soon as it arrives have him start taking it.

I did both the Sambucol and Losenges, because they are not self-quarantined and won't take the syrup to work -- that's why both are there, the losenges travel easier.

There's lots more you can add and subtract, my family though was hard enough to get to any one store and get the minimum needed and begin and continue to take it.

[summerthyme]

One more that I think is really important, from Tom McDowell:

Apologies for not posting here sooner.
As a retailer I can not give medical advice, so please don't ask.

As a retailer I'm severely limited on what I can say. This is why you do not see many posts from me detailing our products. If I make a mistake and say the wrong thing I will be shut down and possibly prosecuted by Federal and State authorities. Statements I may make separately aside from products can be combined with product statements and used as violations of law against the USA in the time of a national emergency as a matter of national security. You think I'm kidding see this post:
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showp...postcount=7996

I've never asked anyone to promote our products, any mentions have been by the members free will. Thank You - I appreciate it!!

I can not sell to people if they I know they are pregnant, or are taking other prescribed medicines and intend to use ours without their doctors consent.

I can not describe any product for the use for any medical condition, nor the mitigation, or prevention of one.

I may only sell our products as a dietary supplement.

Now with all that out of the way - why the heck are you people not buying more lomatium?

We're going broke here! Get on it or I'll have to shut it down!

Look!
The bottle alone makes for a fine shelf decoration!

The four ounce bottle will look awesome standing tall against the one ounce. If you want neighbors to envy you must buy the 16 ounce bottle for the full set.

Care should be taken these bottles are not in the sunlight as it degrades the contents. Also if they're visible in a window shelf your neighbors may steal them - they are that valuable.

All kidding aside Lomatium has had tremendous acclaim in bygone years. When a doctor says the patients just stopped dying from the1918 Spanish Flu (at the end of the pandemic), it usually is a good sign. Was described as THE BEST for treating pneumonia.

Quote:
It was such a remarkable coincidence that the root was investigated by a practicing physician who saw apparently hopeless cases recover without any other medication or care of any kind. A preparation was prepared and employed in a great many cases among the whites, from the mildest to the most virulent types of influenza, and it proved, among other things, that it is the nearest approach we have today to a specific in epidemic influenza and the accompanying pneumonia. Where used early it proved itself to be a reliable agent in preventing pulmonary complications. Other physicians were induced to give it a trial, with the same results.

It is beyond the experimental stage, as its therapeutic action in this direction is established and beyond any doubt. The cases in which it has been used run into the hundreds. There is probably no therapeutic agent so valuable in the treatment of influenzal pneumonia and, as far as being tried, in ordinary lobar pneumonia if started early.

Its action on coughs is more certain than the opiate expectorants and its benefit is lasting.

It acts as a powerful tonic to the respiratory mucous membranes. It is a bronchial, intestinal and urinary antiseptic and is excreted by these organs.

It seems to stimulate the pneogastries (sic) and causes a slow pulse with increased volume and reduced tension. It is a pronounced diaphoretic and somewhat diuretic, and it is a stimulating and sedative expectorant. In large doses it is a laxative, and in extreme doses emetic.
Ok Really - did you read that? Really, word for word or just hit the bold stuff??




Tossed aside as relic when anti-biotic drugs came along.

No one wanted to invest in a hugely expensive scientific undertaking they could not control.

Now we can use it, need it and I can only sell you the bottle since it's so pretty! Even has an old fashioned rubber thingy on the top.

Oh and you better believe I know how skeptical people are around here, but for crying out loud people - Can you argue against a pretty bottle?

Oh, before I forget, if anyone should ever want to use the contents of these pretty bottles - it tastes terrible! Don't buy this for how it tastes.

Use the Montana balancing method. Tastes gnarly - feel like carp. Hmmmm tastes Gawd Awful - feel like I'm dyin. Hmmmmm
Whiskey tastes bad too, hmmmmm.

We have lot's of bottles, however the liquid content is a fixed inventory. Takes years to produce a root, you know ten to 50 years! Our supplier plants seeds when harvesting the root. It's called sustainable harvesting. Who knows - in another 90 years we may need it again!

Before I forget we have another pretty bottle with a label that has a very pretty and cool name - Synergy 7x Trademarked.


That bottle with the cool label contains yucky tasting Lomatium combined with six other gnarly tasting botanical extracts.

One of which is the Black Elderberry. Yep those yahoos in Montana mixed those two together - just what were they thinking anyway???

Now there's also the extract of Echinacea Flower Tops in the formula, and that's got some bad press lately. However it seems to be unfounded, as the studies which support Black Elderberry confirm Echinacea does not add or work towards the creation of Cytonic inflammatory storms. Picked by high school cheerleaders in the Flathead Valley and processed fresh by BigHorn, it's the strongest and best around. ;-)

Four other botanicals are relatively unknown, Serviceberry flower tops being the most well known of them has had a very good reputation for years. Though I doubt they were ever processed fresh before. It's in the Respiratory tea, and the respiratory formula, we do not sell it as an extract - don't ask.

Red Alder Catikins are a hangy down thingy off the Red Alder Branches, it's like little male pollen flower penimathingy - which was found by the BC Government to have way potent, kicked every other plant off the playing field kind of properties. Yes - I have the documents!~

Devils Club - is one of those ethno-botanical kind of deals. Northwestern Native Americans used it for colds, respiratory issues, then later to insulin resistant diabetes. Big bears when they're done with the sows seek it out and chew on it. Which by the way is pretty weird since it has gazillions of tiny needles that you can not get out of your skin without magnifying glass fitted tweezers. And believe me you want them out, they hurt like the dickens. They even named the plant appropriately Oplopanix horridus. These sex exhausted bears say "what the heck" and start chewing up the plants before retiring for the winter - go figure.

Lastly Yewtips (trademarked)

Taxus Brevifolia The Pacific Yew - the most studied plant ever.

Why, gazillions of dollars.

First off the Taxus species is one if not thee ~ oldest tree known to man. God created it somewhere between days three and five. And on every continent they are poisonous. All except on one portion of Northwestern America. What? Not poisonous there too?

Nope, my neighbor Rus Willis found that out and proved it in 1992.

For that his distinction in Herbal history is assured.

Oh the mighty Yew has much lore, legend and uses, however non-medical (unless you're a Roman and want to off a political foe).

That is until the mid-1960's when they were looking for cancer cures and found something in the bark kicked cancer butt.

Turns out it was a hideously complex molecule that they researchers named Taxol (trademarked).

Then the US Government spent tens and maybe hundreds of millions dollars to figure out what the deal was, once solved they gave it away to Bristol Meyers Squib. Yippeee Said Bristol, let's peel all the bark off of all the Pacific Yew Trees and make some real dough!

That's when my neighbor Rus got involved. Hauser was hired by Bristol to get the trees stripped down and the bark to town. Rus ran an effort with more than a few crews.

Wear gloves, don't breath the dust - it's poison!

Well it turns out is wasn't, fact is it turns out it was beneficial.

Since then the plant has gobs of patented analogues, and there's a whole lot of science detailing what this ancient species has to offer.

For those with a whim for knowledge have a field day on google. Warning most of the scientific stuff is proprietary, phrama lock and key. However the lore is fascinating. Start with Yew.

Another one of those takes forever to grow plants (some are over 2000 years old in England), Rus harvests the bough tips sustainably, under permit from Federal, State and Private sources. Processes it fresh, makes, extract, oil, tea, powder in capsules, hand lotion, lip balm and salve.

Well no matter how this combination became to be on this pretty label on this pretty bottle - it's one I really wish you'd add to your collection. I keep mine in plain site so I remember to admire it every day.

Poke around here and ask some folks what they think - why you'd trust them and not me is ok. I get it. After all - I'm selling a bottle with cool word on the label with green yucky tasting stuff inside.

Now - there's a thing about vitamin D3 out there.

I take 5 to 10 thousand units of D3 a day, after you folks buy enough brown bottles and tasty tea. I'm going to be able to afford to have a test and see what my serum levels are. Until then I'm broke and am winging it.

The Now brand 5000 unit stuff is inexpensive and good quality. They have a pretty label too.

I bought my good stuff (50k units) from: http://www.bio-tech-pharm.com

They're in Arkansas, and said ohh yes - Dr. Canell.
Shipped via Fed-ex, label is not as pretty - put that away for emergencies.


OK that's all I have to contribute - for now.

Remember nothing I have written has been reviewed by the FDA - please god, let's keep it that way!

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[HeliumAvid]

As noted the other thread appears to be broken, I am making this the NEW Sticky thread and letting the other one be unstuck.. Bummer DOS attack.

HeliumAvid
Administrator/TB2K

[SpiritBear]

Thanks, everyone! MUCH appreciated..

Looks like there's a couple of different schools of thought on Echinacia, which I always take as a preventative and immune booster..(actually, I have my second cup of tea brewing right now since I was quite likely exposed to H1N1 earlier today..)

Is Echinacia PRIOR to coming down with H1N1 good to boost immunity, or bad in terms of risk of cykotine (sp) storm? Or is it just something to stay away from once you GET H1N1?

Thx..

[SpiritBear]

Also - back to my boss's diagnosis..

How is H1N1 "confirmed"? Can a Doctor do it in the office immediately/same day, or do they need to send out cultures to a lab?

I'm wondering if the rumor mill about my boss may have gotten the actual results mixed up. You know..kind of from a "we THINK you have H1N1" to "we KNOW you have H1N1"..

Thx..

[summerthyme]

SpiritBear... H1N1 hasn't had QUITE the severity of "cytokine storm" as H5N1... but it WAS a significant part of the component that killed a large proportion of the victims.

And from all sounds, the strain in Eastern Europe was killing via that mechanism.

So I think it's still wise- if not absolutely critical- to avoid echinacea and other substances which *directly affect the immune system*.

As far as the testing, as I said- if the doctor tested him for InfluenzaA, and it was positive- that's all the testing they'll do for H1N1, unless - God forbid- he ends up seriously ill in the ICU or dying from it. So far this year, 99% of all confirmed Influenza A cases in the US which were typed out have been H1N1.

AFAIK, a confirmatory test would take at least several days (not sure how the backlogs are at the state labs or CDC now) and it's highly unlikely they'd bother to do it, barring him becoming seriously ill.

Summerthyme

[Norma]

Hey, gang.

What happened to the H1N1 sticky thread up at the top of the board?

Clicking on the thread title or any of the three pages of posts brings up the TB2K page headers but NO thread content..

Boss came in today really sick and with a 103 deg. temp (doh!). Later was confirmed by Doc to be H1N1. (Greaaaaat). So, now I'm trying to figure out what to do..have already washed the clothes I wore in, drank some Eldeberry tea and am going to load up on Vita C, Echinacia and whatever else I can think of..

Any ideas/help would be MUCH appreciated!

Thanks..

- S

What they are doing when they check for the H1N1 is they check what type ( A B or C) If it comes back A they autimatically say it is the swine flu. To test for the actual swine cost quite a bit, and the swine is a part of the A sub set or whatever.

Norma

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[Rex Jackson]

As getting sick is no picnic, it is far beyond obvious that the 'swine flu' was a false flag fake pandemic aimed at several things. To test the masses to see if they can be 'coraled', to see if they people would submit to forced vaccinations, and for profit. Yes, Obama, Rumsfeld (and others) both own stock in companies that would profit from such events.

As the republicans circle Obama for a potential take down, the fake pandemic should be enough alone. WHO, CDC, HLS, all proved their uselessness and worthiness of being thoroughly investigated / shut down as well. As a commander in chief Obama should have banged doors down to get to the bottom of this. ...and with a program such as "home land security", I demand to know why there is no investigation!...

Now the sticky type flu that has been going around could become even worse when combined with other agents, say items placed in foods, the water system or in 'chemtrails', but if they are a concern, they can be effectively countered without antibiotics / anti-viral meds.

I put 1 spoon of hydrogen peroxide in a new humidifier and let it run. I also take Lomatium root oil (what American Indians used against the real swine flu) and black elderberry. Umcka (sp?) also works well according to my studies but I never tried it. The American Indians had zero fatalities during the real swine flu pandemic.

Keep in mind if this were a real swine flu pandemic, a billion people would be dead by now. This 'H1NI is probably some lab rat made item.