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  1. #441
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    Apologies if this has been mentioned.
    If you are in a mall or whatever during an attack and you want to fight back, consider a fire extinguisher.
    They should be near an exit or in the exit tunnel path. Hold the valve in your strong hand, pull the pin, fire in the attackers face just long enough to blind or confuse him, step to the side, swing extinguisher at side of his head. Hit him again, get his weapon, hold it on him. It he tries to get up, shoot him. Be sure the cops don't think you are bad guy, keep an eye out for them, surrender immediately when confronted.
    Just my $.02
    "...Cry 'Havoc' and let slip the cats of war..."
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  2. #442
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    Quote Originally Posted by Profit of Doom View Post
    Apologies if this has been mentioned.
    If you are in a mall or whatever during an attack and you want to fight back, consider a fire extinguisher.
    They should be near an exit or in the exit tunnel path. Hold the valve in your strong hand, pull the pin, fire in the attackers face just long enough to blind or confuse him, step to the side, swing extinguisher at side of his head. Hit him again, get his weapon, hold it on him. It he tries to get up, shoot him. Be sure the cops don't think you are bad guy, keep an eye out for them, surrender immediately when confronted.
    Just my $.02
    Or, just fill his mouth with the dry chemical. If it's a CO2 extinguisher, you can his face into an ice cube. As long as he doesn't shoot you first.
    "Freedom is not something to be secured in any one moment of time. We must struggle to preserve it every day. And freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction."
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  3. #443
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    My thought was to startle and confuse him, obstruct his vision, quickly move away from where you were as he tries to shoot you, then attack from side/behind. There will still be plenty of charge for a few more seconds for him or his accomplices.
    "...Cry 'Havoc' and let slip the cats of war..."
    Razor sharpening while you wait - Occam
    If it works, it doesn't have enough features. - Windows 10 design philosophy.
    Forget the beer, I'm just here for the doom!
    Humans, just a tool for amino acids to make Swiss watches.

  4. #444
    New to this forum, and just read through this entire thread - a lot of good information! I was LE for over 22 years; wife thought (kinda still does) I was always paranoid when out & about in public, but I did beat it into our two kids (both early 20’s now…). At least some must have taken, as our daughter had a scary incident last year: she works at a bank, sometimes as receptionist. She noticed a guy in their entryway that looked out of place & gave her a “bad feeling”. Just before he came through the second set of doors into their lobby, she set the phone handset on her desk and dialed 911. The guy pulls a pistol out from under his jacket and points it at her for what she said seemed like “just short of forever” (a bit less than 10 seconds real time). She doesn’t make any sudden moves, but stands up (in preparation for moving or whatever else becomes necessary) and asks him if she can help him. He never speaks, then leaves. She picks up the handset and explains to dispatch what happened, there were already multiple units enroute. One of the three tellers saw the guy pointing the pistol, and she went & got the manager. PD arrives, and she gives them a very detailed description that got the guy nabbed within ten minutes (spotted by PD about to enter a nearby grocery store). After action, still don’t know what the motivation / goal was, but drug use was a factor. PD, her manager, & the other employees couldn’t believe how calm she was able to remain throughout the incident. Anyway, a very proud dad here!

    Seeing something even a few seconds before the fertilizer hits the air handling unit can give you an advantage in dealing with it, so you’re at least somewhat proactive rather than being in full reactive mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman7104 View Post
    New to this forum, and just read through this entire thread - a lot of good information! I was LE for over 22 years; wife thought (kinda still does) I was always paranoid when out & about in public, but I did beat it into our two kids (both early 20’s now…). At least some must have taken, as our daughter had a scary incident last year: she works at a bank, sometimes as receptionist. She noticed a guy in their entryway that looked out of place & gave her a “bad feeling”. Just before he came through the second set of doors into their lobby, she set the phone handset on her desk and dialed 911. The guy pulls a pistol out from under his jacket and points it at her for what she said seemed like “just short of forever” (a bit less than 10 seconds real time). She doesn’t make any sudden moves, but stands up (in preparation for moving or whatever else becomes necessary) and asks him if she can help him. He never speaks, then leaves. She picks up the handset and explains to dispatch what happened, there were already multiple units enroute. One of the three tellers saw the guy pointing the pistol, and she went & got the manager. PD arrives, and she gives them a very detailed description that got the guy nabbed within ten minutes (spotted by PD about to enter a nearby grocery store). After action, still don’t know what the motivation / goal was, but drug use was a factor. PD, her manager, & the other employees couldn’t believe how calm she was able to remain throughout the incident. Anyway, a very proud dad here!

    Seeing something even a few seconds before the fertilizer hits the air handling unit can give you an advantage in dealing with it, so you’re at least somewhat proactive rather than being in full reactive mode.
    Good for your daughter. Funny how her non-reaction reaction to the perp is probably what threw him off and why he walked out without doing anything.

  6. #446
    Wow, almost 11 years to the day that this thread was started, and I think I better read the whole thing.
    Psalm 16:11 (NKJV) You will show me the path of life; In Your presence is fullness of joy; At Your right hand are pleasures forevermore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TammyinWI View Post
    Wow, almost 11 years to the day that this thread was started, and I think I better read the whole thing.
    It sure doesn't seem that long, but, neither does my life. Funny how our perception of time changes. I sure miss MO posting here. She had a lot of good information.
    "Freedom is not something to be secured in any one moment of time. We must struggle to preserve it every day. And freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction."
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  8. #448
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    Quote Originally Posted by TammyinWI View Post
    Wow, almost 11 years to the day that this thread was started, and I think I better read the whole thing.
    And missing the most in this thread is the advice of the one who started it!
    "Man is not to be blamed for sinning. After all, he faces great temptations and is extremely vulnerable. What he is blamed for is not doing Teshuvah (repenting) because he can do that at any time." Rav Simcha Bunim of P'shischa

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