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SITUATIONAL AWARENESS 101
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  1. #441
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    Apologies if this has been mentioned.
    If you are in a mall or whatever during an attack and you want to fight back, consider a fire extinguisher.
    They should be near an exit or in the exit tunnel path. Hold the valve in your strong hand, pull the pin, fire in the attackers face just long enough to blind or confuse him, step to the side, swing extinguisher at side of his head. Hit him again, get his weapon, hold it on him. It he tries to get up, shoot him. Be sure the cops don't think you are bad guy, keep an eye out for them, surrender immediately when confronted.
    Just my $.02
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    It’s a real pisser when your belief system gets T-boned by reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Profit of Doom View Post
    Apologies if this has been mentioned.
    If you are in a mall or whatever during an attack and you want to fight back, consider a fire extinguisher.
    They should be near an exit or in the exit tunnel path. Hold the valve in your strong hand, pull the pin, fire in the attackers face just long enough to blind or confuse him, step to the side, swing extinguisher at side of his head. Hit him again, get his weapon, hold it on him. It he tries to get up, shoot him. Be sure the cops don't think you are bad guy, keep an eye out for them, surrender immediately when confronted.
    Just my $.02
    Or, just fill his mouth with the dry chemical. If it's a CO2 extinguisher, you can his face into an ice cube. As long as he doesn't shoot you first.
    "Freedom is not something to be secured in any one moment of time. We must struggle to preserve it every day. And freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction."
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    My thought was to startle and confuse him, obstruct his vision, quickly move away from where you were as he tries to shoot you, then attack from side/behind. There will still be plenty of charge for a few more seconds for him or his accomplices.
    "...Cry 'Havoc' and let slip the cats of war..."
    It’s a real pisser when your belief system gets T-boned by reality.
    I’m not afraid of dying...I just don’t want to be there!
    ...sell your cloak, and buy a sword...Second Amendment 1.0

  4. #444
    New to this forum, and just read through this entire thread - a lot of good information! I was LE for over 22 years; wife thought (kinda still does) I was always paranoid when out & about in public, but I did beat it into our two kids (both early 20’s now…). At least some must have taken, as our daughter had a scary incident last year: she works at a bank, sometimes as receptionist. She noticed a guy in their entryway that looked out of place & gave her a “bad feeling”. Just before he came through the second set of doors into their lobby, she set the phone handset on her desk and dialed 911. The guy pulls a pistol out from under his jacket and points it at her for what she said seemed like “just short of forever” (a bit less than 10 seconds real time). She doesn’t make any sudden moves, but stands up (in preparation for moving or whatever else becomes necessary) and asks him if she can help him. He never speaks, then leaves. She picks up the handset and explains to dispatch what happened, there were already multiple units enroute. One of the three tellers saw the guy pointing the pistol, and she went & got the manager. PD arrives, and she gives them a very detailed description that got the guy nabbed within ten minutes (spotted by PD about to enter a nearby grocery store). After action, still don’t know what the motivation / goal was, but drug use was a factor. PD, her manager, & the other employees couldn’t believe how calm she was able to remain throughout the incident. Anyway, a very proud dad here!

    Seeing something even a few seconds before the fertilizer hits the air handling unit can give you an advantage in dealing with it, so you’re at least somewhat proactive rather than being in full reactive mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman7104 View Post
    New to this forum, and just read through this entire thread - a lot of good information! I was LE for over 22 years; wife thought (kinda still does) I was always paranoid when out & about in public, but I did beat it into our two kids (both early 20’s now…). At least some must have taken, as our daughter had a scary incident last year: she works at a bank, sometimes as receptionist. She noticed a guy in their entryway that looked out of place & gave her a “bad feeling”. Just before he came through the second set of doors into their lobby, she set the phone handset on her desk and dialed 911. The guy pulls a pistol out from under his jacket and points it at her for what she said seemed like “just short of forever” (a bit less than 10 seconds real time). She doesn’t make any sudden moves, but stands up (in preparation for moving or whatever else becomes necessary) and asks him if she can help him. He never speaks, then leaves. She picks up the handset and explains to dispatch what happened, there were already multiple units enroute. One of the three tellers saw the guy pointing the pistol, and she went & got the manager. PD arrives, and she gives them a very detailed description that got the guy nabbed within ten minutes (spotted by PD about to enter a nearby grocery store). After action, still don’t know what the motivation / goal was, but drug use was a factor. PD, her manager, & the other employees couldn’t believe how calm she was able to remain throughout the incident. Anyway, a very proud dad here!

    Seeing something even a few seconds before the fertilizer hits the air handling unit can give you an advantage in dealing with it, so you’re at least somewhat proactive rather than being in full reactive mode.
    Good for your daughter. Funny how her non-reaction reaction to the perp is probably what threw him off and why he walked out without doing anything.

  6. #446
    Wow, almost 11 years to the day that this thread was started, and I think I better read the whole thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TammyinWI View Post
    Wow, almost 11 years to the day that this thread was started, and I think I better read the whole thing.
    It sure doesn't seem that long, but, neither does my life. Funny how our perception of time changes. I sure miss MO posting here. She had a lot of good information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TammyinWI View Post
    Wow, almost 11 years to the day that this thread was started, and I think I better read the whole thing.
    And missing the most in this thread is the advice of the one who started it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by medic38572 View Post
    And missing the most in this thread is the advice of the one who started it!
    ^^^SPOT ON^^^ medic38572. She seems to have been very busy for the last run around the sun and some change.

    I’m going to drop a link here to a young man named John who is ex-mil of some sort, and just very smooth common sense shooter.

    Here is his .02 cents on Situational Awareness. It dovetails with my hands on system of avoid or dominate. Something I have practiced for over two score.

    John, The YouTuber is a proponent of The Late Col. Jeff Cooper. I was a kid in high school when I first learned of Col. Cooper’s trademark SA system. I took it a step further with extreme men’s intuition, and that with Col. Coopers ‘Scout Rifle Concept’ helped me save my fathers life from a confrontation in the So-Cal desert in 2003.

    Situational awareness allows you to dominate if you have too. Situation awareness is only an edge if you can transition from the wide eyed baby doe, to the hungry tiger at the snap of a twig without the fear or anger of an adrenaline dump. Just do it. Just do the minimum necessary without ego only looking for the effect of breaking contact, or dominating.

    Here is John’s link: John, The Warrior Poet Society.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0G1H3DpN44s

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bHq4dbQBa14

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TPHqgvXkENg
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  10. #450
    Great words, MAC! I've had vision problems for the past 2 years and finally had the surgery last week and can see again...

    <3 MAC
    So be strong and courageous! Do not be afraid and do not panic before them. For the Lord your God will personally go ahead of you. He will neither fail you nor abandon you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaureenO View Post
    Great words, MAC! I've had vision problems for the past 2 years and finally had the surgery last week and can see again...

    <3 MAC
    Maureen, I am happy to read that you’re sight is better. Staying good becomes a primary chore as the years tick by. Stay warm & well this Christmas and New Year; and may God’s blessings be upon you and yours in the coming years.

    Stay healthy MAC!

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    It is time to bump this thread. For those of you have not read it, you need to, now.

  13. #453
    Quote Originally Posted by Lone_Hawk View Post
    It is time to bump this thread. For those of you have not read it, you need to, now.
    another thing new [to me] Walmart in my is prominently displaying 'blackout curtains'.
    So be strong and courageous! Do not be afraid and do not panic before them. For the Lord your God will personally go ahead of you. He will neither fail you nor abandon you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaureenO View Post
    another thing new [to me] Walmart in my is prominently displaying 'blackout curtains'.
    Oh boy. Black out curtains. Not a good sign for society for sure.

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    i was travelling recently, and noticed how many of the people around me were absorbed in their cell phones. In the car rental area of Anchorage airport there were about 80 people; five of us appeared alert, and not on a phone: one child, two men at either end of the large area, one car rental agent, and me, an old lady. Phones can be addictive, and like any other addiction, this sure shuts down situational awareness. Never mind those driving a lethal weapon (car) and texting or talking.
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    Real live situational awareness antifa vs marines RT 16:47



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  17. #457
    Quote Originally Posted by hardrock View Post
    Real live situational awareness antifa vs marines RT 16:47



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7RlN6j9s7Q
    Absolutely.
    So be strong and courageous! Do not be afraid and do not panic before them. For the Lord your God will personally go ahead of you. He will neither fail you nor abandon you.

  18. #458
    Quote Originally Posted by medic38572 View Post
    And missing the most in this thread is the advice of the one who started it!
    Medic, time and duties.

    I recently posted a new thread in the BS which was closed due to a RTP. My post referred to an undenied yet unconfirmed set of shooting threats to schools in 2 US states on 28 and 29 August. My principal reason for posting the thread was to point out the SO's response which was to suspend the sheriff's employee who breached protocol by posting the threats to Facebook in an effort to warn parents. This will not be a rare response in future. One TB member got what I was saying.
    So be strong and courageous! Do not be afraid and do not panic before them. For the Lord your God will personally go ahead of you. He will neither fail you nor abandon you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.A.B. View Post
    Oh boy. Black out curtains. Not a good sign for society for sure.
    We have some of those, but the reason is that during the summer months it's hard to sleep when the morning sun is blazing into the room. With modern tech, blackout curtains wouldn't make much difference in an air raid. I'd guess, and it's only a guess, that most of them are bought by night shift workers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garryowen View Post
    We have some of those, but the reason is that during the summer months it's hard to sleep when the morning sun is blazing into the room. With modern tech, blackout curtains wouldn't make much difference in an air raid. I'd guess, and it's only a guess, that most of them are bought by night shift workers.
    Light discipline...

    One valid bare bones reason to manage light output is to avoid the beacon call of ‘come to my home in the middle of the night because I have electricity and possible frozen food’ for a little longer one week into the power outage.

    I do half of my driving in the dark. I take note of all the lights I can see in living room windows at elevation several miles away. In a JIT Seizure (JITS) <—my ACRONYM, these beacons will invite the uninvited.

    Probably best suited for use by people who live off the beaten paths. That tank full of wanderers scavenging the light-scape at all cost.

    ETA: Maureen’s post highlights the info-war of managed chaos. The three letters who chastised the Country Siren’s for “leaking” what should have been a forthright warning lend themselves to becoming the meme’rs for the next wave of Pavlov-Hegel Gun Control.

    Beware of the prepackaged over-response to managed crisis. Tyranny by the dots.
    Last edited by L.A.B.; 08-31-2019 at 12:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.A.B. View Post
    Light discipline...

    One valid bare bones reason to manage light output is to avoid the beacon call of ‘come to my home in the middle of the night because I have electricity and possible frozen food’ for a little longer one week into the power outage.

    I do half of my driving in the dark. I take note of all the lights I can see in living room windows at elevation several miles away. In a JIT Seizure (JITS) <—my ACRONYM, these beacons will invite the uninvited.

    Probably best suited for use by people who live off the beaten paths. That tank full of wanderers scavenging the light-scape at all cost.

    ETA: Maureen’s post highlights the info-war of managed chaos. The three letters who chastised the Country Siren’s for “leaking” what should have been a forthright warning lend themselves to becoming the meme’rs for the next wave of Pavlov-Hegel Gun Control.

    Beware of the prepackaged over-response to managed crisis. Tyranny by the dots.
    Spot on, MAC.
    So be strong and courageous! Do not be afraid and do not panic before them. For the Lord your God will personally go ahead of you. He will neither fail you nor abandon you.

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