[envr] BREAKING - Lahar warning on Mt Rainier
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NWPhotog
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Lahar Warning: Rapid snowmelt moving down
from Mount Rainier. People are asked to stay
away from the Nisqually River.
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update
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Some sort of event at Mount Rainier has caused
a debris flow from the Van Trump Glacier. Two
campgrounds have been flooded. People are
asked to stay away from the Nisqually
River.Stay tuned to KING 5 News for updates
from Mount Rainier. People are asked to stay
away from the Nisqually River.
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update
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Some sort of event at Mount Rainier has caused
a debris flow from the Van Trump Glacier. Two
campgrounds have been flooded. People are
asked to stay away from the Nisqually
River.Stay tuned to KING 5 News for updates
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NWPhotog
Veteran Member
awfull lot of noise on the seismic charts
http://spike.geophys.washington.edu/SEIS/PNSN/WEBICORDER/RCM_EHZ_UW.2001081500.html
http://spike.geophys.washington.edu/SEIS/PNSN/WEBICORDER/RCM_EHZ_UW.2001081500.html
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
ORTING BEING EVACUATED!
ORTING NOW BEING EVACUATED, NOT KNOWN AT THIS POINT WHETHER PUYALLUP RIVER OR NISQUALLY IS AFFECTED!
ORTING NOW BEING EVACUATED, NOT KNOWN AT THIS POINT WHETHER PUYALLUP RIVER OR NISQUALLY IS AFFECTED!
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
i'M IN WASHINGTON (Gig Harbor)
Im across the narrows bridge from Mt. Rainier. If campgrounds were suddenly buried, then there will be a large loss of life as it is now one of the rare nice camping weather weeks here . The mudflow happened after dark here.
Im across the narrows bridge from Mt. Rainier. If campgrounds were suddenly buried, then there will be a large loss of life as it is now one of the rare nice camping weather weeks here . The mudflow happened after dark here.
pliny the younger
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Nisqually river is thought at this point to be able to contain the flow due to llow water levels.
Lots of people on the river tonight fishing.
State patrol now at the Nisqually river bridge. Too dark to see what is really going on at this point.
Something big enough to have activated the warning system. No idea what it is yet.
May lose I-5.
Orting has activated sirens and is being evacuated west.
Small seismic events continue.
Camp grounds in state parks flooded.
Lots of booms from that area.
So far, so good?
Lots of people on the river tonight fishing.
State patrol now at the Nisqually river bridge. Too dark to see what is really going on at this point.
Something big enough to have activated the warning system. No idea what it is yet.
May lose I-5.
Orting has activated sirens and is being evacuated west.
Small seismic events continue.
Camp grounds in state parks flooded.
Lots of booms from that area.
So far, so good?
NWPhotog
Veteran Member
Looks like the Kautz Glacier had a burst of water come out.
Carbon and Puyallup do not seem to be affected.
Wonder if this is related to the cracks appearing on other glaciers??
Robert
p. s. to Aint.
I'm up here in Bothell - the weather has been very nice - they are saying that the warm weather may account for an increased melt and thus the "event".
Robert
You don't know the McCollums - do you?
Carbon and Puyallup do not seem to be affected.
Wonder if this is related to the cracks appearing on other glaciers??
Robert
p. s. to Aint.
I'm up here in Bothell - the weather has been very nice - they are saying that the warm weather may account for an increased melt and thus the "event".
Robert
You don't know the McCollums - do you?
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
FALSE ALARM ACCORDING TO STATE EMERGENCY MGRS
CHANNEL 7 KIRO IS NOW REPORTING THE STATE EMERGENCY MANAGERS NOW REPORTING THE RIVER BANKS WILL HOLD A SIMPLY UNUSUALLY HIGH SUDDEN RELEASE OF WATER. NO LAHAR ACCORDING TO STATE OFFICIAL. 2 CAMPGROUNDS EVACUATED AS A PRECAUTION ONLY! NISQUALLY RIVERE ONLY AFFECTED.
CHANNEL 7 KIRO IS NOW REPORTING THE STATE EMERGENCY MANAGERS NOW REPORTING THE RIVER BANKS WILL HOLD A SIMPLY UNUSUALLY HIGH SUDDEN RELEASE OF WATER. NO LAHAR ACCORDING TO STATE OFFICIAL. 2 CAMPGROUNDS EVACUATED AS A PRECAUTION ONLY! NISQUALLY RIVERE ONLY AFFECTED.
data junkie
Membership Revoked
From cyberspaceorbit:
They just spoke to a geologist who non-chalantly informed everyone that he had been told TWO WEEKS AGO that the Mountain had been put on 'Code 2' which means it could erupt within 30-90 DAYS...!!!
They just spoke to a geologist who non-chalantly informed everyone that he had been told TWO WEEKS AGO that the Mountain had been put on 'Code 2' which means it could erupt within 30-90 DAYS...!!!
Taz
Deceased
From Seattle Times. This is very interesting to me as this area was "home" for 22 years. However, Morton, Wa is NOT on the Nisqually River which is fed by the Nisqually glacier on the SW side of the Mtn. Morton is near the Cowlitz river which is fed by the Cowlitz glacier on the east side of the Mtn. The Nisqually river runs about 20 miles north of Morton.
The camp grounds that were flooded had to be down river as they removed the camp grounds around the Mtn years ago. Too many people trashing the place. The first town to be affected would be Ashford, Wa. Orting is NOT on the Nisqually river or basin. Its on the Puyallup. Lots of misinformation but nevertheless a real concern for all that live on any of the drainage systems of that Mtn. That Mtn, unlike other live ones in that area, has hot springs/caverens at the very top which has saved many a summit climber caught in a storm.
Grateful for the forum as there is absolutely nothing on the morning news here in Florida. Please keep us advised, Robert. Still own a home on the Cowlitz River.
Taz....who's name is on the register at the summit...August 1966
By Seattle Times staff and news services
TACOMA — A surge of water caused the Nisqually River to
rise
rapidly
below the southwest flank of Mount Rainier tonight, a
Pierce
County
sheriff's spokesman said.
It was not clear whether the water was caused by a section
of glacier
breaking off or melting or by a lahar, a mudflow that is
the
result of heat
from within the volcano.
The water surge was said to have flowed down Kautz Creek
and
into the
Nisqually. A rapid rise in the water prompted
authorities to
urge people to
stay away from the river.
Ed English, a patrol officer with the Morton Police
Department, said he was
alerted at 10:15 p.m. by the Ashford Fire Department that a
wall of muddy
water was moving down the river, which triggered the
initial
fear of a lahar.
English said the river rose by about one foot.
English said that at 11 p.m. the event was downgraded, and
his department
put on a standby alert.
Water, mud, trees and other debris reportedly passed
through
two
campgrounds, said Ed Troyer, Pierce County sheriff's
spokesman, although
darkness hampered authorities' ability to say exactly what
was happening.
Troyer said lahar warning sirens were sounding.
Troyer said the Sheriff's Department was mobilizing most of
its
emergency-response employees, including its swift-water
rescue team, but
there were no reports of injuries.
Mudflows are among the biggest threats posed by Mount
Rainier, whose
Osceola mudflow 5,600 years ago carried debris down the
White River and
into what now is Auburn and Sumner.
Copyright © 2001 The Seattle Times Company
The camp grounds that were flooded had to be down river as they removed the camp grounds around the Mtn years ago. Too many people trashing the place. The first town to be affected would be Ashford, Wa. Orting is NOT on the Nisqually river or basin. Its on the Puyallup. Lots of misinformation but nevertheless a real concern for all that live on any of the drainage systems of that Mtn. That Mtn, unlike other live ones in that area, has hot springs/caverens at the very top which has saved many a summit climber caught in a storm.
Grateful for the forum as there is absolutely nothing on the morning news here in Florida. Please keep us advised, Robert. Still own a home on the Cowlitz River.
Taz....who's name is on the register at the summit...August 1966
By Seattle Times staff and news services
TACOMA — A surge of water caused the Nisqually River to
rise
rapidly
below the southwest flank of Mount Rainier tonight, a
Pierce
County
sheriff's spokesman said.
It was not clear whether the water was caused by a section
of glacier
breaking off or melting or by a lahar, a mudflow that is
the
result of heat
from within the volcano.
The water surge was said to have flowed down Kautz Creek
and
into the
Nisqually. A rapid rise in the water prompted
authorities to
urge people to
stay away from the river.
Ed English, a patrol officer with the Morton Police
Department, said he was
alerted at 10:15 p.m. by the Ashford Fire Department that a
wall of muddy
water was moving down the river, which triggered the
initial
fear of a lahar.
English said the river rose by about one foot.
English said that at 11 p.m. the event was downgraded, and
his department
put on a standby alert.
Water, mud, trees and other debris reportedly passed
through
two
campgrounds, said Ed Troyer, Pierce County sheriff's
spokesman, although
darkness hampered authorities' ability to say exactly what
was happening.
Troyer said lahar warning sirens were sounding.
Troyer said the Sheriff's Department was mobilizing most of
its
emergency-response employees, including its swift-water
rescue team, but
there were no reports of injuries.
Mudflows are among the biggest threats posed by Mount
Rainier, whose
Osceola mudflow 5,600 years ago carried debris down the
White River and
into what now is Auburn and Sumner.
Copyright © 2001 The Seattle Times Company
ytwok pumps
Inactive
Duh!
Didn't even see this thread. Good luck to all in the area of activity hope it's slight as I mentioned on the other thread.
Didn't even see this thread. Good luck to all in the area of activity hope it's slight as I mentioned on the other thread.
chairborne commando
Membership Revoked
If Mt. Rainier is becoming active, it will
make life very interesting around here.
I fully expect the media to cooperate fully
with authorities and gushingly assure the
ignorant and trusting that everything is allll...right and not to worry (hehe, isnt that right, Mary? Yes, that's right Frank)
-right up to the point where the talking heads "relocate" for a better vantage point-somewhere above the lava and mudflows.(Oh, isnt this terrible?...Yes, Frank this IS terrible)
make life very interesting around here.
I fully expect the media to cooperate fully
with authorities and gushingly assure the
ignorant and trusting that everything is allll...right and not to worry (hehe, isnt that right, Mary? Yes, that's right Frank)
-right up to the point where the talking heads "relocate" for a better vantage point-somewhere above the lava and mudflows.(Oh, isnt this terrible?...Yes, Frank this IS terrible)
Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
OK, time to search for the exact wording of that prophecy which was widely discussed when Mt St Helens blew ... about the grandfather answering ... and signs of the end of an age ... in the Oregonian they had an official picture of the eruption wherein very plainly visible was a face that matched paintings of the maiden in question re the legend ... very spooky ... anyway the immediate prayer is that all campers got safely higher last night ... what a shock that must have been to relaxed fishers!
Please keep the updates coming ... bet the Nisqually earthquake and the heat and drought jumbled things up enough to nudge other events ... yikes!
Please keep the updates coming ... bet the Nisqually earthquake and the heat and drought jumbled things up enough to nudge other events ... yikes!
Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
A mild-sounding article from the Associated supPress:
[ Fair Use: For Educational / Research / Discussion Purposes Only ]
http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash...3_BC_WA--NisquallyFlow&&news&newsflash-oregon
8/15/01 8:27 AM
Water surge from Rainier glacier rushes down Nisqually River
PARADISE, Wash. (AP) -- Park rangers and geologists planned a helicopter flight at first light Wednesday to try to determine what caused a rush of water from Mount Rainier into the Nisqually River.
No injuries or serious damage was reported from the "glacial outburst" Tuesday night, but the event sent emergency officials into a tizzy as they tried to gauge its severity.
"Reports are still coming in, but we're lucky at this point," said Jody Woodcock, spokeswoman for Pierce County Emergency Management. "This isn't the big one we've been practicing for."
The surge of water, apparently from a melting glacier, sent rocks and trees rushing into the Nisqually and its tributaries and caused water levels to rise. Despite initial concerns, it had little effect downstream, where the Nisqually showed no indication that it would overflow its banks.
Nevertheless, the rising water level scared campers at several areas near Paradise, at the base of the 14,411-foot peak.
Some campers left as a precaution, but no evacuations were ordered, national park spokeswoman Maria Gillett said Wednesday.
"There's a fair amount of mud and rock on the road," she said. But, "We are not considering this an emergency."
People in nearby communities were asked to stay away from the river, just in case. Gillett and several of her neighbors in Ashland, near the park's southern entrance, took survival supplies and left their homes.
"I grabbed my pack, grabbed a cell phone and a park radio, and went and grabbed an elderly neighbor who I wasn't sure would know what was going on," Gillett said. "We drove up what's basically a logging road and ran into several of my neighbors up there."
The rushing water apparently came from the Van Trump or Kautz glaciers on the volcano's south side, officials said.
Officials have been particularly sensitive to potential eruptions of Mount Rainier following a recent computer simulation that showed the region isn't prepared for one. The simulation, done in May with the help of the federal government, showed that as many as 5,000 people could be killed in an eruption.
An electronic sensor on the mountain, designed to warn of impending eruptions or mud flows, was tripped Tuesday night, apparently by the rushing water and debris. It sounded an alarm at the Pierce County dispatch center, said Sheriff Paul Pastor.
Orting Police Chief Ron Emmons said no siren was sounded in the town, as might have happened if the flow had been into the Carbon or Puyallup rivers. Still, roads above Orting were closed.
"Everything here is fine," Emmons said Tuesday night. "Probably it was a pretty good drill, but we don't like those kinds of things, at night especially."
Glacial outbursts are among the most common types of events a volcano like Mount Rainier can produce, said Bill Steele, of the University of Washington seismology center in Seattle.
"It's a hot summer, a dry year," Steele said. "The water builds up, gets trapped under the glacier and then can burst forth suddenly, causing a flood down the channel which can be quite dangerous if you're near the river."
The rising water level was noticed at about 10 p.m.
Pastor noted the water surge occurred in "a very isolated part of the county -- a wilderness area."
Pierce County activated its emergency operations center and called out its search and rescue personnel and swift water rescue teams, sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said.
State emergency personnel helped field media queries.
Fifty-seven people died when Mount St. Helens, south of Rainier in Washington's Cascade Mountain range, erupted on May 18, 1980.
[ Fair Use: For Educational / Research / Discussion Purposes Only ]
http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash...3_BC_WA--NisquallyFlow&&news&newsflash-oregon
8/15/01 8:27 AM
Water surge from Rainier glacier rushes down Nisqually River
PARADISE, Wash. (AP) -- Park rangers and geologists planned a helicopter flight at first light Wednesday to try to determine what caused a rush of water from Mount Rainier into the Nisqually River.
No injuries or serious damage was reported from the "glacial outburst" Tuesday night, but the event sent emergency officials into a tizzy as they tried to gauge its severity.
"Reports are still coming in, but we're lucky at this point," said Jody Woodcock, spokeswoman for Pierce County Emergency Management. "This isn't the big one we've been practicing for."
The surge of water, apparently from a melting glacier, sent rocks and trees rushing into the Nisqually and its tributaries and caused water levels to rise. Despite initial concerns, it had little effect downstream, where the Nisqually showed no indication that it would overflow its banks.
Nevertheless, the rising water level scared campers at several areas near Paradise, at the base of the 14,411-foot peak.
Some campers left as a precaution, but no evacuations were ordered, national park spokeswoman Maria Gillett said Wednesday.
"There's a fair amount of mud and rock on the road," she said. But, "We are not considering this an emergency."
People in nearby communities were asked to stay away from the river, just in case. Gillett and several of her neighbors in Ashland, near the park's southern entrance, took survival supplies and left their homes.
"I grabbed my pack, grabbed a cell phone and a park radio, and went and grabbed an elderly neighbor who I wasn't sure would know what was going on," Gillett said. "We drove up what's basically a logging road and ran into several of my neighbors up there."
The rushing water apparently came from the Van Trump or Kautz glaciers on the volcano's south side, officials said.
Officials have been particularly sensitive to potential eruptions of Mount Rainier following a recent computer simulation that showed the region isn't prepared for one. The simulation, done in May with the help of the federal government, showed that as many as 5,000 people could be killed in an eruption.
An electronic sensor on the mountain, designed to warn of impending eruptions or mud flows, was tripped Tuesday night, apparently by the rushing water and debris. It sounded an alarm at the Pierce County dispatch center, said Sheriff Paul Pastor.
Orting Police Chief Ron Emmons said no siren was sounded in the town, as might have happened if the flow had been into the Carbon or Puyallup rivers. Still, roads above Orting were closed.
"Everything here is fine," Emmons said Tuesday night. "Probably it was a pretty good drill, but we don't like those kinds of things, at night especially."
Glacial outbursts are among the most common types of events a volcano like Mount Rainier can produce, said Bill Steele, of the University of Washington seismology center in Seattle.
"It's a hot summer, a dry year," Steele said. "The water builds up, gets trapped under the glacier and then can burst forth suddenly, causing a flood down the channel which can be quite dangerous if you're near the river."
The rising water level was noticed at about 10 p.m.
Pastor noted the water surge occurred in "a very isolated part of the county -- a wilderness area."
Pierce County activated its emergency operations center and called out its search and rescue personnel and swift water rescue teams, sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said.
State emergency personnel helped field media queries.
Fifty-seven people died when Mount St. Helens, south of Rainier in Washington's Cascade Mountain range, erupted on May 18, 1980.
Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
http://www.syzygyjob.net/cgi-bin/ta...://www.syzygyjob.net/sensitives&msg_num=11776
Mt. Rainier Lahar! Nisqually river!
Mt. Rainier Lahar! Nisqually river!
Taz
Deceased
****Fifty-seven people died when Mount St. Helens, south of Rainier in Washington's Cascade Mountain range, erupted on May 18, 1980.****
And all but Johnson, the volcanologist, was in there illegally. It might be argued that Harry Truman was not illegal. But he had been orderd out of there.
Everyone was raising hell with the then Gov of Wa, Dixie Lee Ray, about not being able to get into their houses and get their stuff out. So she said they could go in at 10am on Sat 5/17 and had to be out at 2pm. They were all escorted by the State Patrol. The same orders for Sunday 5/18. They could go in at 10am. The Mtn blew at 8:30am. Had all those people been in there and died guess who would have sued the hell out of the State of Wa and the Governor? Maybe some of those people will remember and when Rainier goes off, they will already be out of there.
Taz...who wouldn't have missed it for anything and wouldn't go through it again for a million dollars.:sb:
And all but Johnson, the volcanologist, was in there illegally. It might be argued that Harry Truman was not illegal. But he had been orderd out of there.
Everyone was raising hell with the then Gov of Wa, Dixie Lee Ray, about not being able to get into their houses and get their stuff out. So she said they could go in at 10am on Sat 5/17 and had to be out at 2pm. They were all escorted by the State Patrol. The same orders for Sunday 5/18. They could go in at 10am. The Mtn blew at 8:30am. Had all those people been in there and died guess who would have sued the hell out of the State of Wa and the Governor? Maybe some of those people will remember and when Rainier goes off, they will already be out of there.
Taz...who wouldn't have missed it for anything and wouldn't go through it again for a million dollars.:sb:
prophesy of the volcanoes as related by 'Sunbear' [a chippewa]
"the time will come when little sister will speak, and grandfather will answer. and the land will be swept clean to the ocean."
march 1980,the mountain refered to as little sister began to whisper. [mt. st. helens] may 18th 1980 a cubic mile of mountain was spread over the world by her erruption.
Sunbear goes on to say:
"....the little sister has spoken, and soon the grandfather [mt. rainer] is going to answer so much bigger!"
[fround in 'Native American Prophecies' by scott peterson]
note: this native american prophesy comes from the northwest long ago. not sure of exact tribe of origin. perhaps someone else here will know.
"the time will come when little sister will speak, and grandfather will answer. and the land will be swept clean to the ocean."
march 1980,the mountain refered to as little sister began to whisper. [mt. st. helens] may 18th 1980 a cubic mile of mountain was spread over the world by her erruption.
Sunbear goes on to say:
"....the little sister has spoken, and soon the grandfather [mt. rainer] is going to answer so much bigger!"
[fround in 'Native American Prophecies' by scott peterson]
note: this native american prophesy comes from the northwest long ago. not sure of exact tribe of origin. perhaps someone else here will know.
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I had my daughter pull out a video of a prophecies show she watched over 5 years ago that had something regarding this.
There is a native American prophet named John Running Deer who has said that Mt. Rainier will erupt then there will be massive earthquakes all along the western USA coast destroying most everything in the southern end with only the North end of the Golden Gate bridge showing.
After that happens there are going to be massive wind storms and hurricanes which will destroy large areas including large portion of NYC and New Jersey.
After that or during that time there is going to be massive flooding of a large part of the land mass. New lakes will be formed and the ocean will intrude into the land. Most of the SW will be under the ocean in CA, part of AZ and part of NV.
The Dakotas will have a massive lake form in them. The midwest will flood and along the Mississippi River. The ocean will cut into the eastern coast and much of Florida and other southern states are going to be under the ocean. [The map he showed was very much like the map you can see at that Ark site many of us have seen before.]
Don't know about the rest of you but I am going to watch Mt. R very closly even though I am way over in Georgia
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There is a native American prophet named John Running Deer who has said that Mt. Rainier will erupt then there will be massive earthquakes all along the western USA coast destroying most everything in the southern end with only the North end of the Golden Gate bridge showing.
After that happens there are going to be massive wind storms and hurricanes which will destroy large areas including large portion of NYC and New Jersey.
After that or during that time there is going to be massive flooding of a large part of the land mass. New lakes will be formed and the ocean will intrude into the land. Most of the SW will be under the ocean in CA, part of AZ and part of NV.
The Dakotas will have a massive lake form in them. The midwest will flood and along the Mississippi River. The ocean will cut into the eastern coast and much of Florida and other southern states are going to be under the ocean. [The map he showed was very much like the map you can see at that Ark site many of us have seen before.]
Don't know about the rest of you but I am going to watch Mt. R very closly even though I am way over in Georgia
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Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
Thanks Susie & Mutter! That's what we remember ... hooboy!
OOoooooo, obo
OOoooooo, obo
pliny the younger
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karlacalif
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obo,
do you have a link?
merci!!!
do you have a link?
merci!!!
NWPhotog
Veteran Member
Mt. Rainier - the morning after
http://www.king5.com/detailtopstory.html?StoryID=24555
Glacial outburst on Mount Rainier
causes rise in Nisqually River
August 15, 2001, 07:45 AM
ORTING - Geologists were getting their first look
Wednesday morning at the damage caused after a surge of
water rushed down the Nisqually River from a melted portion
of a Mount Rainier glacier Tuesday night, causing the river
level to rise.
Park rangers and geologists planned a
helicopter flight to try to determine what
caused the rush of water, which brought
trees and rocks with it. They are keeping a
close eye on everything happening in the
rivers below Mount Rainier.
This year's drought and low water levels in
the river are actually helping the situation.
"It looks like this was a smaller scale event.
Most of the activity stayed within the park
boundaries and the banks held all the debris
and the water," said Jodie Woodcock of
Emergency Management.
State emergency operations officials say it
was not a mudflow, and there was no
evidence of unusual seismic activity at the
14,411-foot volcano.
There was no word of any injuries.
The Nisqually River was running at four times
its normal level, but was staying within its
banks.
Pierce County activated its emergency
operations center and called out its search
and rescue personnel and swift water rescue
teams, sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said.
"What appears to have happened is the Van Trump Glacier up there
has done a large water release and the water is kicking trees up in the
campgrounds … and at this point it appears that when it all filters into
the Nisqually, that the Nisqually should contain it," said Troyer.
"We want everybody away from the Nisqually River, but at this point
there is nothing going down through the Puyallup River or the Carbon
River. So that's good news for the towns that are up a little bit
north," said Troyer.
The glacier is located west of Paradise.
"We are on our way up there and hopefully this whole incident will
end with just a mess down the Nisqually," said Troyer.
Orting Police Chief Ron Emmons was about just getting ready to go
to bed when he got the call.
"There was no sirens put out or anything else, just what people were
picking up here and there over radios or scanners or whatever. They
started calling neighbors and one thing or another and the next thing I
know I got a call at home, I was in bed and going to sleep and they
said 'well the mountain's going off,'" said Emmons.
"I got out right away and started checking around and found out it
was just some melting snow that was causing a little debris into the
Nisqually, and the Nisqually, fortunately, is one of the few rivers that
doesn't affect us at all anyhow. And so the Carbon and Puyallup are
normal, and no alarms went off and everything here is fine," he said.
Glacial outbursts
The U.S. Geological Survey explains on its Web site:
The smallest, but most frequent, debris flows at Mount Rainier
begin as glacial outburst floods, also called by the Icelandic term
"j"kulhlaup" (pronounced "yo-kul-h-loip").
Outburst floods at Mount Rainier form from sudden release of
water stored at the base of glaciers or within the glacier ice.
Outburst floods have been recorded from four glaciers on Mount
Rainier: the Nisqually, Kautz, South Tahoma, and Winthrop
glaciers.
From 1986 through 1992, South Tahoma Glacier released a
total of 15 outburst floods, including at least one every year.
These outburst floods from South Tahoma Glacier occurred
during periods of unusually hot or rainy weather in summer or
early autumn, and were apparently caused by rapid input of
meltwater or rainwater to the base of the glacier. The exact
timing of such outburst floods is unpredictable, however.
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134329746_rainier15m.html
Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 01:05 a.m. Pacific
Water surges down Rainier; 'glacial
outburst' causes rapid rise in Nisqually
By Seattle Times staff and news services
A surge of water from a melted glacier on Mount Rainier caused the
Nisqually River to rise rapidly last night.
The "glacial outburst flood," also known as a jökulhlaups (an Icelandic term
pronounced "yo-kul-hloips"), apparently originated from the Van Trump
Glacier and swept into Van Trump Creek, a tributary of the Nisqually.
Officials had originally feared it was a rapid and potentially dangerous
mudflow, the result of heat from within the volcano.
The rapid rise in the water intially prompted authorities to urge people to
stay away from the river.
Ed English of the Morton Police Department said he was alerted at 10:15
p.m. by the Ashford Fire Department that a wall of muddy water was
moving down the Nisqually. English said the river rose about one foot. He
said at 11 p.m. the event was downgraded and his department was taken off
alert.
There was no flooding outside the Nisqually River basin. The Carbon and
Puyallup rivers were not affected.
Water, mud and debris rushed through two campgrounds, said Ed Troyer,
Pierce County sheriff's spokesman.
Campers at several sites within Rainier National Park were urged to leave as
a precaution but there was no word of any injuries or flooding. Because the
Nisqually is at low flow this time of year, authorities said, the burst of water
was contained within its banks.
Pierce County activated its emergency-operations center and called out its
search-and-rescue personnel and swift-water-rescue teams, Troyer said
Although Troyer was initially told that mudflow alarms sounded, there were
no sirens. Seismologists and geologists have flow meters that can detect
unusual flows on the Carbon and Puyallup river basins - but not the
Nisqually.
Instead, authorities learned of the event because someone at Rainier actually
heard the material running downhill.
"It was probably making a fair amount of noise and actually throwing some
boulders around," said Andy Lockhart, scientist at the Cascades Volcano
Observatory in Vancouver, Wash.
A page went out from Park Service supervisors to county officials about 10
p.m. warning of possible activity on Rainier, said Steve Bailey, director of
Pierce County Emergency Management.
Ruth Ludwin, a research scientist at the University of Washington
Seismology Lab, said it's quite likely the flow was in no way related to
geologic activity.
"This is something that has been observed at Mount Rainier in the past," she
said. "They're saying it's glacial-outburst flooding. That's water that's
impounded underneath a glacier. After that hot weather we had, there had to
be some major melting."
She said the water can become a potentially dangerous lahar - a
water-saturated debris flow - but it doesn't have to before it is noticeable.
"I don't think there's an obvious way to distinguish between a waterflow and
a debris flow from the signal," she said. "They are detecting a signal - a
vibration - so they don't know, and because the whole point of putting in
an alarm system is to warn when there's anything unusual, you'll probably
have more of these things when there's no disaster than you will when there's
a catastrophic event."
At Mount Rainier, the outbursts result from rapid release of water stored
within or at the base of glaciers. The floods and the potential lahars they can
trigger can be dangerous in surrounding river valleys. About 36 outburst
floods happened on Rainier in the 20th century, the USGS says in a 1998
report.
Seattle Times reporters Hal Bernton, Craig Welch and Frank Vinluan
and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Looks like, if Camp Muir recorded the "rumblings" of this event, the majority occured between 8:39 PM and was over around 1:17am. The other charts from the mountain show the event but not as strongly as Muir.
Muir
http://spike.geophys.washington.edu/SEIS/PNSN/WEBICORDER/RCM_EHZ_UW.2001081500.html
Mount Freemont - shows a slight event of roughly the same times
http://spike.geophys.washington.edu/SEIS/PNSN/WEBICORDER/FMW_EHZ_UW.2001081500.html
Longmire- shows a slight event of roughly the same times
http://spike.geophys.washington.edu/SEIS/PNSN/WEBICORDER/LON_BHZ_UW.2001081500.html
http://www.king5.com/detailtopstory.html?StoryID=24555
Glacial outburst on Mount Rainier
causes rise in Nisqually River
August 15, 2001, 07:45 AM
ORTING - Geologists were getting their first look
Wednesday morning at the damage caused after a surge of
water rushed down the Nisqually River from a melted portion
of a Mount Rainier glacier Tuesday night, causing the river
level to rise.
Park rangers and geologists planned a
helicopter flight to try to determine what
caused the rush of water, which brought
trees and rocks with it. They are keeping a
close eye on everything happening in the
rivers below Mount Rainier.
This year's drought and low water levels in
the river are actually helping the situation.
"It looks like this was a smaller scale event.
Most of the activity stayed within the park
boundaries and the banks held all the debris
and the water," said Jodie Woodcock of
Emergency Management.
State emergency operations officials say it
was not a mudflow, and there was no
evidence of unusual seismic activity at the
14,411-foot volcano.
There was no word of any injuries.
The Nisqually River was running at four times
its normal level, but was staying within its
banks.
Pierce County activated its emergency
operations center and called out its search
and rescue personnel and swift water rescue
teams, sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said.
"What appears to have happened is the Van Trump Glacier up there
has done a large water release and the water is kicking trees up in the
campgrounds … and at this point it appears that when it all filters into
the Nisqually, that the Nisqually should contain it," said Troyer.
"We want everybody away from the Nisqually River, but at this point
there is nothing going down through the Puyallup River or the Carbon
River. So that's good news for the towns that are up a little bit
north," said Troyer.
The glacier is located west of Paradise.
"We are on our way up there and hopefully this whole incident will
end with just a mess down the Nisqually," said Troyer.
Orting Police Chief Ron Emmons was about just getting ready to go
to bed when he got the call.
"There was no sirens put out or anything else, just what people were
picking up here and there over radios or scanners or whatever. They
started calling neighbors and one thing or another and the next thing I
know I got a call at home, I was in bed and going to sleep and they
said 'well the mountain's going off,'" said Emmons.
"I got out right away and started checking around and found out it
was just some melting snow that was causing a little debris into the
Nisqually, and the Nisqually, fortunately, is one of the few rivers that
doesn't affect us at all anyhow. And so the Carbon and Puyallup are
normal, and no alarms went off and everything here is fine," he said.
Glacial outbursts
The U.S. Geological Survey explains on its Web site:
The smallest, but most frequent, debris flows at Mount Rainier
begin as glacial outburst floods, also called by the Icelandic term
"j"kulhlaup" (pronounced "yo-kul-h-loip").
Outburst floods at Mount Rainier form from sudden release of
water stored at the base of glaciers or within the glacier ice.
Outburst floods have been recorded from four glaciers on Mount
Rainier: the Nisqually, Kautz, South Tahoma, and Winthrop
glaciers.
From 1986 through 1992, South Tahoma Glacier released a
total of 15 outburst floods, including at least one every year.
These outburst floods from South Tahoma Glacier occurred
during periods of unusually hot or rainy weather in summer or
early autumn, and were apparently caused by rapid input of
meltwater or rainwater to the base of the glacier. The exact
timing of such outburst floods is unpredictable, however.
/\/\/\/\/\/
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134329746_rainier15m.html
Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 01:05 a.m. Pacific
Water surges down Rainier; 'glacial
outburst' causes rapid rise in Nisqually
By Seattle Times staff and news services
A surge of water from a melted glacier on Mount Rainier caused the
Nisqually River to rise rapidly last night.
The "glacial outburst flood," also known as a jökulhlaups (an Icelandic term
pronounced "yo-kul-hloips"), apparently originated from the Van Trump
Glacier and swept into Van Trump Creek, a tributary of the Nisqually.
Officials had originally feared it was a rapid and potentially dangerous
mudflow, the result of heat from within the volcano.
The rapid rise in the water intially prompted authorities to urge people to
stay away from the river.
Ed English of the Morton Police Department said he was alerted at 10:15
p.m. by the Ashford Fire Department that a wall of muddy water was
moving down the Nisqually. English said the river rose about one foot. He
said at 11 p.m. the event was downgraded and his department was taken off
alert.
There was no flooding outside the Nisqually River basin. The Carbon and
Puyallup rivers were not affected.
Water, mud and debris rushed through two campgrounds, said Ed Troyer,
Pierce County sheriff's spokesman.
Campers at several sites within Rainier National Park were urged to leave as
a precaution but there was no word of any injuries or flooding. Because the
Nisqually is at low flow this time of year, authorities said, the burst of water
was contained within its banks.
Pierce County activated its emergency-operations center and called out its
search-and-rescue personnel and swift-water-rescue teams, Troyer said
Although Troyer was initially told that mudflow alarms sounded, there were
no sirens. Seismologists and geologists have flow meters that can detect
unusual flows on the Carbon and Puyallup river basins - but not the
Nisqually.
Instead, authorities learned of the event because someone at Rainier actually
heard the material running downhill.
"It was probably making a fair amount of noise and actually throwing some
boulders around," said Andy Lockhart, scientist at the Cascades Volcano
Observatory in Vancouver, Wash.
A page went out from Park Service supervisors to county officials about 10
p.m. warning of possible activity on Rainier, said Steve Bailey, director of
Pierce County Emergency Management.
Ruth Ludwin, a research scientist at the University of Washington
Seismology Lab, said it's quite likely the flow was in no way related to
geologic activity.
"This is something that has been observed at Mount Rainier in the past," she
said. "They're saying it's glacial-outburst flooding. That's water that's
impounded underneath a glacier. After that hot weather we had, there had to
be some major melting."
She said the water can become a potentially dangerous lahar - a
water-saturated debris flow - but it doesn't have to before it is noticeable.
"I don't think there's an obvious way to distinguish between a waterflow and
a debris flow from the signal," she said. "They are detecting a signal - a
vibration - so they don't know, and because the whole point of putting in
an alarm system is to warn when there's anything unusual, you'll probably
have more of these things when there's no disaster than you will when there's
a catastrophic event."
At Mount Rainier, the outbursts result from rapid release of water stored
within or at the base of glaciers. The floods and the potential lahars they can
trigger can be dangerous in surrounding river valleys. About 36 outburst
floods happened on Rainier in the 20th century, the USGS says in a 1998
report.
Seattle Times reporters Hal Bernton, Craig Welch and Frank Vinluan
and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Looks like, if Camp Muir recorded the "rumblings" of this event, the majority occured between 8:39 PM and was over around 1:17am. The other charts from the mountain show the event but not as strongly as Muir.
Muir
http://spike.geophys.washington.edu/SEIS/PNSN/WEBICORDER/RCM_EHZ_UW.2001081500.html
Mount Freemont - shows a slight event of roughly the same times
http://spike.geophys.washington.edu/SEIS/PNSN/WEBICORDER/FMW_EHZ_UW.2001081500.html
Longmire- shows a slight event of roughly the same times
http://spike.geophys.washington.edu/SEIS/PNSN/WEBICORDER/LON_BHZ_UW.2001081500.html
NWPhotog
Veteran Member
If you remember the movie "Jaws", Murray Hamilton played Mayor Larry Vaughn. The police chief from Orting sounded just like him on the news . . .
"I got out right away and started checking around and found out it was just some melting snow that was causing a little debris into the Nisqually, and the Nisqually, fortunately, is one of the few rivers that doesn't affect us at all anyhow. And so the Carbon and Puyallup are normal, and no alarms went off and everything here is fine," he said.
A little snow - a little runoff - don't worry.
I would rather have had a nice statement of how the system appears to have worked. The event was less than expected but nonetheless, the alarms did what they were supposed to.
Ah well . . .
Robert
"I got out right away and started checking around and found out it was just some melting snow that was causing a little debris into the Nisqually, and the Nisqually, fortunately, is one of the few rivers that doesn't affect us at all anyhow. And so the Carbon and Puyallup are normal, and no alarms went off and everything here is fine," he said.
A little snow - a little runoff - don't worry.
I would rather have had a nice statement of how the system appears to have worked. The event was less than expected but nonetheless, the alarms did what they were supposed to.
Ah well . . .
Robert
fwiw: got this from a friend just a bit ago, thought it most interesting! [now i don`t know much about Charlotte King. but it sure is interesting to read, eh?]
...................................................................................
***Just a short quick note before I get ready for work.
1. Ants are still in invasion mode.
2. One or more cats sick overnight
3. For me although I do not require much sleep, there are times when I do
sleep.
I was still up and awake at 3:20 AM last night.
Finally layed down about 3:30 and within 10 minutes had major heart symptoms,
both sides of the chest,
left leg pain was severe and I started the teeth chattering chills.
In the past the Ants mean 6-6.5+ in the water within 12-24 hours
Cats are Oregon, parts of Southern Ca and Japan over 6.0+
Leg pain, left side has been shown to be connected to the Peru activity in the
area of
the June 24 major quake.
Teeth Chattering Chills are what bother me. This means a earthquake or
volcanic
event.
In 12-24 hours.. it does not have to be large if close to your location,
but if
not it can be
a major event.
In the past Landers, Northridge, China, Armenia, Turkey, Loma Prieta,
Oregons'
moderate quakes of 93 and Washingtons' larger one in of 2001 also caused the
chills.
Usually it is Japan, Russia etc.. that cause the most chills, execept for the
Wasatch/New Madrid, it does
not take a very large one to cause the chills.
The eruptions of St Helens, Popo, Gulunggung in Indonesia and Pinatubo in the
Philippines caused chills as well, and especially El Cajon in Mexico.
Thats all, but the chills are continuing and its been 4 hours.***
Charlotte
8/15/01 6:56 AM PDT
...................................................................................
***Just a short quick note before I get ready for work.
1. Ants are still in invasion mode.
2. One or more cats sick overnight
3. For me although I do not require much sleep, there are times when I do
sleep.
I was still up and awake at 3:20 AM last night.
Finally layed down about 3:30 and within 10 minutes had major heart symptoms,
both sides of the chest,
left leg pain was severe and I started the teeth chattering chills.
In the past the Ants mean 6-6.5+ in the water within 12-24 hours
Cats are Oregon, parts of Southern Ca and Japan over 6.0+
Leg pain, left side has been shown to be connected to the Peru activity in the
area of
the June 24 major quake.
Teeth Chattering Chills are what bother me. This means a earthquake or
volcanic
event.
In 12-24 hours.. it does not have to be large if close to your location,
but if
not it can be
a major event.
In the past Landers, Northridge, China, Armenia, Turkey, Loma Prieta,
Oregons'
moderate quakes of 93 and Washingtons' larger one in of 2001 also caused the
chills.
Usually it is Japan, Russia etc.. that cause the most chills, execept for the
Wasatch/New Madrid, it does
not take a very large one to cause the chills.
The eruptions of St Helens, Popo, Gulunggung in Indonesia and Pinatubo in the
Philippines caused chills as well, and especially El Cajon in Mexico.
Thats all, but the chills are continuing and its been 4 hours.***
Charlotte
8/15/01 6:56 AM PDT
kanuck57
Membership Revoked
Rainier Cam
Did a search at http://www.earthcam.com and found --A great view of Mt rainier, Washington from Crystal Mountain's Green Valley Lift. 60 second updates:
http://www.skicrystal.com/static/index.cfm
Did a search at http://www.earthcam.com and found --A great view of Mt rainier, Washington from Crystal Mountain's Green Valley Lift. 60 second updates:
http://www.skicrystal.com/static/index.cfm
KarlaCA,
I can not locate the link for that site I mentioned having the similiar map as my daughters video right now. Maybe someone else will have the link. I have'nt looked at it I guess in over a year so don't know where I put it. It was a large site some of the info I used for y2k preps so I saw the map and remembered it. If I come across it I will post but during the mean time the link will show a rather bad to view of one map and another of a similar map of what these many prophets and people who have seen similar dreams see. Neither of these are the exact map the video had but similar. The one on the video had more loss in the southern US than these show.
Don't know if you believe in dreams and visions or not. If you do then you may be interested in these but if you don't then they won't be worth much to you.
I know dreams come true as it has happened to me my whole life so I do watch what others say as a precaution.
http://www.earthchangestv.com/maps/gmsnamap.htm
http://www.earthchangestv.com/maps/iamamericamap.gif
http://www.earthchangestv.com/maps/gmswldmap.htm
KarlaCA,
Found that original site. I don't go for all they promote but you can search it for the maps as I'm not sure exactly where they are located now.
http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword12o.htm
http://www.zetatalk.com
I can not locate the link for that site I mentioned having the similiar map as my daughters video right now. Maybe someone else will have the link. I have'nt looked at it I guess in over a year so don't know where I put it. It was a large site some of the info I used for y2k preps so I saw the map and remembered it. If I come across it I will post but during the mean time the link will show a rather bad to view of one map and another of a similar map of what these many prophets and people who have seen similar dreams see. Neither of these are the exact map the video had but similar. The one on the video had more loss in the southern US than these show.
Don't know if you believe in dreams and visions or not. If you do then you may be interested in these but if you don't then they won't be worth much to you.
I know dreams come true as it has happened to me my whole life so I do watch what others say as a precaution.
http://www.earthchangestv.com/maps/gmsnamap.htm
http://www.earthchangestv.com/maps/iamamericamap.gif
http://www.earthchangestv.com/maps/gmswldmap.htm
KarlaCA,
Found that original site. I don't go for all they promote but you can search it for the maps as I'm not sure exactly where they are located now.
http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword12o.htm
http://www.zetatalk.com
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karlacalif
Inactive
obo,
Thank you kindly~
I have had personal experiences with "dreams" (not often/but when they hit I'm chilled to the bone and usually wake up scared to death and covered in sweat), about a year ago I experienced a sequence of events that left me numb. The only people I shared it with were the forum members on tb2k...I recieved a wealth of excellent advice/support!
Thank you kindly~
I have had personal experiences with "dreams" (not often/but when they hit I'm chilled to the bone and usually wake up scared to death and covered in sweat), about a year ago I experienced a sequence of events that left me numb. The only people I shared it with were the forum members on tb2k...I recieved a wealth of excellent advice/support!
KarlaCA,
This is the area of that site I spoke of having prep advice thought you may be interested in it if you are a preper.
http://www.zetatalk.com/thub00.htm
This is the area of that site I spoke of having prep advice thought you may be interested in it if you are a preper.
http://www.zetatalk.com/thub00.htm
Lone Eagle Woman
Veteran Member
Re: [envr] Lahar warning on Mt. Rainier
According to some Native American Prophecy the
eruption of Mt. Rainier is a serious sign that
major changes will be occurring along the West
Coast soon afterwards. I have been wondering
about this for years. Very Interesting!
According to some Native American Prophecy the
eruption of Mt. Rainier is a serious sign that
major changes will be occurring along the West
Coast soon afterwards. I have been wondering
about this for years. Very Interesting!
Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
[ Fair Use: For Educational / Research / Discussion Purposes Only ]
http://www.channel6000.com/c6k/news/stories/news-91956620010815-090847.html
Water Roars Down Mount Rainier Overnight
No Flooding From Glacial Outburst
Posted: 7:52 a.m. PDT August 15, 2001
Updated: 10:12 a.m. PDT August 15, 2001
MOUNT RAINIER, Wash. -- A glacial outburst sent a surge of water rushing down the Nisqually River on Mount Rainier Tuesday night.
It was dark at the time, and the scene was chaotic, KOIN 6 News reports. Information was scarce until emergency workers discovered that it was not a volcanic or seismic event.
Several campgrounds were evacuated as a precaution.
There were no known injuries or flooding. The water reportedly stayed within the boundaries of the national park.
Experts say that the water was likely from a melting glacier. Glacial outbursts happen during hot summers when water builds up and becomes trapped under a glacier.
http://www.channel6000.com/c6k/news/stories/news-91956620010815-090847.html
Water Roars Down Mount Rainier Overnight
No Flooding From Glacial Outburst
Posted: 7:52 a.m. PDT August 15, 2001
Updated: 10:12 a.m. PDT August 15, 2001
MOUNT RAINIER, Wash. -- A glacial outburst sent a surge of water rushing down the Nisqually River on Mount Rainier Tuesday night.
It was dark at the time, and the scene was chaotic, KOIN 6 News reports. Information was scarce until emergency workers discovered that it was not a volcanic or seismic event.
Several campgrounds were evacuated as a precaution.
There were no known injuries or flooding. The water reportedly stayed within the boundaries of the national park.
Experts say that the water was likely from a melting glacier. Glacial outbursts happen during hot summers when water builds up and becomes trapped under a glacier.
pliny the younger
Inactive
Don't know if you have noticed, but has not been a hot summer up here. Lots of dryness, but also lots of overcast and cool days. It is no where near as hot as last summer. So gotta say that if this is glacial melt, it ain't from the summer.
And let's not forget to throw in the string of eqs at muir for the last 3 to 4 weeks.
And the rumors that GPS measured mounument markers are off by inches all over the region. If that is true then maybe we got us a WA state bulge to go with OR state bulge.
Gotta love it up here. And let me tell you, the 21st century sure ain't boring!