BRKG SOLAR: March 14: Earth Directed CME - to arrive here around March 17th

Heliobas Disciple

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Spaceweather has an update.

http://www.spaceweather.com/
(fair use applies)

NORTHERN LIGHTS: Statistically speaking, March is the most geomagnetically active month of the year; October is a close second. Although the reasons why are not fully understood, there is no doubt that equinoxes favor auroras. Just look at the sky this morning over Tromsø, Norway:

http://www.spaceweather.com/aurora/...gen1.jpg?PHPSESSID=qtiiim9hjp0unsofasurs5lg51

"It was a sudden and stunning outburst of activity," says photographer Thomas Hagen. "The auroras were so bright, they turned the water green."

http://www.spaceweather.com/aurora/...gen2.jpg?PHPSESSID=qtiiim9hjp0unsofasurs5lg51

This could be just the beginning of a really terrific display on March 16th and 17th. That's when a solar coronal mass ejection is due to hit Earth's magnetic field. NOAA forecasters estimate a 30% chance of geomagnetic activity and a 5% chance of severe geomagnetic storms. Sky watchers in Alaska, Canada, Scandinavia, and northern-tier US states such as Minnesota and Wisconsin should be alert for auroras


I found the flare. This site says it was at 2010/03/13 23:35:00. Lots of good info and graphics of it:

http://www.lmsal.com/solarsoft/last_events/gev_20100313_2335.html


ETA: I posted still frames from one of the more dramatic movies of the CME on the thread in EarthChanges. You will have to be signed in to see them (sorry to any lurkers, but follow the link above and you can find links to all the movies there).

HD
 
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AusieGrandad

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UV kills plants

Dear Rex,

While you are living in your cave eating the mushrooms, that you can grow down there, kindly spare a thought for our food plants up here: leaves all bleached white - no chlorophyll, so no food produced & nothing for man or beast to eat.

AG
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Dear Rex,

While you are living in your cave eating the mushrooms, that you can grow down there, kindly spare a thought for our food plants up here: leaves all bleached white - no chlorophyll, so no food produced & nothing for man or beast to eat.

AG

Hi there Ausiegrandad, nice to meet you. As this isn't a thought I need to spare, perhaps the others may. (This why I sound early warning bells when I see potential disaster incoming). As for the bleak side of your statement, yes, Earth's living things don't enjoy radiation. (perhaps this is why Revelations says there will be famine). But keep in mind plants get bombed with radiation their entire life. They are very resilient, survive all kinds of harsh conditions. I wouldn't write them off so quickly. On a brighter side, there are many things people can do who choose to prep. a) Stockpile food: I would say that's a given in this day and age. b) Bring plants indoors: Its a very good idea to have a least 1-2 of each species of plants you grow IN POTS. Bring them in. c) Next would be to study hydroponics. Its actually quite easy to do, very rewarding, and again keeping plants in pots allow them to be recycled by the window. Those who have alternative energy wont have too much a problem growing plants under Luxeon Emitters or high intensity LEDs.

Plants and people need each other. We will gladly keep one another alive in our 'cave' :)
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
We've got many thousands of NukAlerts here, so we get hit with anything it'll
sound like a chicken hatchery gone wild with all the chirping that'll be going on.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush![/I]

- Shane
www.ki4u.com

lol, very funny....in a positive sort of way.

I wonder if the guys in the ISS are getting nervous?...


Loup

I would say they are taking every protective measure they can. I know the military is on a heightened state of alert because of the Sun. I think radiation is a constant concern for the ISS not having an atmosphere. I wonder what type of radiation protection they have. Maybe some special room or something. Would hate the thought of drifting away out there.

"Black Hole Sun" after the song by that name. Chris Cornell wrote most of his songs lyrics with prophecy in mind. Very wise man. The kind of guy one would love to have in their circle. I actually tried getting a hold of him a few times, didn't have the time to follow through.

And this is what I meant when I said there are too many non-gov't affiliated/amateur scientists watching the sun for space weather to completely censor these things - if the web world is talking about it, they most likely will post something. But don't look for it on the evening news.

HD

I remember reading once where most discoveries, stellar and Earth based, are made by 'non-governmental' people. This is a perfect example of the people being divine, and the government being THEIR employee. I had to choose which shelter I could go in, 1 miles down with the government or 1' down with some strong Americans, I would choose the Americans...with out a doubt.
 
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Now-Later

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Didn’t they say the same thing about the transformers going out when the big New York blackout that happened years back, but that really didn’t know what caused it.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/03/15/chile.blackout/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Lights back on in Chile after huge blackout
March 15, 2010 11:51 a.m. EDT

Santiago, Chile (CNN) -- Electricity was restored Monday to all of Chile after an overheated transformer caused a blackout Sunday over 90 percent of the country, an official with Chile's largest electric company told CNN's partner network in the country.
Power was restored about 1 a.m., said Eduardo Andrade, vice president of Transelec.
The blackout came two weeks after a massive 8.8-magnitude earthquake struck Chile, killing more than 500 people. Aftershocks as high as magnitude 7.2 continue to hinder recovery efforts.
"The transformer that failed is isolated, and we are installing a reserve unit," Andrade told CNN Chile. "The possibility that there will be another blackout like last night's is very remote."
Still, Andrade said, nothing is certain because of the difficulties caused by the earthquake and its aftershocks
 

RJC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The event of March 12th did not reach the level of a G1,
(G 1

Minor

Power systems: weak power grid fluctuations can occur.

Spacecraft operations: minor impact on satellite operations possible.

Other systems: migratory animals are affected at this and higher levels; aurora is commonly visible at high latitudes (northern Michigan and Maine)**.)


this is the report

Space Weather Message Code: ALTK04
Serial Number: 1435
Issue Time: 2010 Mar 12 0521 UTC

ALERT: Geomagnetic K-index of 4
Threshold Reached: 2010 Mar 12 0521 UTC
Synoptic Period: 0300-0600 UTC
Station: Boulder
Active Warning: Yes


Now there has been a persistent high level of electron flux. For those of us that have actually seriously studied the solar activity for decades and who are actually physically affected by the electron flux, this is the most significant activity in the last couple of years.

Space Weather Message Code: ALTEF3
Serial Number: 1648
Issue Time: 2010 Mar 15 1206 UTC

ALERT: Electron 2MeV Integral Flux exceeded 1000pfu
Threshold Reached: 2010 Mar 15 1150 UTC
Station: GOES-11


You may have noticed increased static at this time. (Pet the cat)

ETA: It gets more serious when the electron flux exceeded 2000 pfu. Although, most people are completed unaware.
 

mbabulldog

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Can someone boil this down to a simple answer?

Science isn't my strongest subject, so should we be worried or not?
 
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more than likely not a big deal. The sun should be much more active in the cycle than it has been, so the last little activities, being large ones, has been interesting.


Full halo? Rare and very interesting.


Years ago during the early part of this decade, we ALL were bombarded, months on end with high levels of solar radiation, never seen before. Remember all the warnings from almost two decades ago about the solar radiation being so strong and protecting children with extra sunscreen?


That was all YEARS before the sun got really active, and when the sun got really active, NASA and the scientists went silent.

You figure it out.
 

Rex Jackson

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No, not from anything occurring in the last few days (even weeks).


You are missing the point entirely and giving others a false sense of security. The immediate threat is small, the outlook in the future is absolutely, 100%, unpredictable. On top of 100%, anyone who is open minded to and not a head in the sander, will agree that the Sun is very agitated these days and signs are showing the agitation is growing.

"Is there anything we should worry about?"

Yes there is something to worry about. The Sun growing increasingly more disturbed and violent to the point where we could loose grid. Over the last few weeks we have seen 3 very rare, and extremely large record breaking solar filaments come and go on the surface of the Sun. THIS IS UNHEARD OF. What does this mean in regards to immediate danger? No danger from these BUT NO ONE not even NSAS professionals could have predicted that. In fact every time a solar filament forms on the surface of the Sun, our military goes into a heightened state of alert.

What does it mean in regards to long term? No one is sure but it does signify that the Sun is behaving oddly. It seems as if this is being ccaused by something outside the Sun. It also could mean that solar filaments may become a normal activity on the Sun further threatening Earth with storms. Solar filaments can produce damaging Hyder flares.

"What about the inbound CEM we are expecting on the 17th?"

Most likely no damage or disruption but given the state our solar shields, we should see higher than normal effects from a CME of this size and caliber. No one, can predict what will happen but it wont be the same as it used to be. Again, I don't expect anything but a C class today could = an M class from 2003. In addition, its a good and rare opportunity to do a solar meter test.

On top of all of the above NASA released several reports over the last 8 months stating that the Suns protective shield was weakened as was Earth. This weakening of the shields changes daily, is caused by something unknown, making the shields anywhere between 5 and 40% less effective.
 

msswv123

Veteran Member
ANOTHER SURPRISE FROM THE SUN: A massive "current of fire" on the sun has started running at high speed, surprising researchers and challenging some models of the solar cycle.

http://www.spaceweather.com/

Solar 'Current of Fire' Speeds Up


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]March 12, 2010: What in the world is the sun up to now?[/FONT]
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2010/12mar_conveyorbelt.htm

ETA: surprising researchers and challenging models.....activity chart at the nasa link...blessings T
 

RJC

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Rex

Nothing you have related is out of the ordinary, there have always been solar filaments and the magnetosphere always ebbs and flows in its strength. You are making something out of nothing.

It is true that at any given moment, we are at risk of some sort of solar event, also true of incoming NEOs (objects such as asteroids), true of earthquakes, even Russia or China might fire off nukes.

The sun has been in a solar minimum for an extended time and that is not normal, scientists think. Who can tell? However, we are not having any significant solar activity as of now. And you are correct it can change quickly.

BTW would you provide some evidence or links showing “every time a solar filament forms on the surface of the Sun, our military goes into a heightened state of alert.”
 

bobpick

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I found that Mercury is on the opposite side of us as found here:
Solar


So if it's lighting up, it may be a good thing!
 

RJC

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Mercury passed behind the Sun on the 14th of the Month. During the last week of March it appears in the twilight sky along with Venus.

On the 22nd, 20 minutes after sunset, it will lie below Venus and just above the horizon. (elevation is dependent on your latitude) Venus will be easily spotted - the brightest object in the night sky after the Moon. Look towards the south west about half an hour after sunset.

It was this very observation by Galileo that showed that Venus must orbit the Sun. (He was punished in the Catholic inquisitions for proving this.)

Mercury rapidly climbs higher in the sky and by the 31st is just 3 degrees away from Venus when both are above the horizon about 30 minutes after sunset.

Mercury will be at its best for some time during the first week of April.
 
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just about everything the Sun has done over the last Solar Cycle has been completely unexpected. To say this is all just 'business as usual' shows an appalling lack of understanding of what has happened in the last 15 years, all the 'unprecedented' and 'totally' unexpected events (NASA words).



I haven't spent any time seeing if the solar events of the last two months are unprecedented or not, so I won't comment on these specifics. As for the events of the last 15 years, including the entirety of the last Solar Cycle, for anyone to say that nothing unusual, or that nothing extremely dangerous, potentially civilization destroying didn't occur, well, they haven't got a clue just how close we came.
 

DustMusher

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I just hope that the CME will not interfere with the imprtant thing in my life this week -- the winner of the Iditarod will be coming into Nome to win tomorrow evening -- with live streaming video from Alaska. However, the mushers still on the trail should get a very impressive light show.

(This is the 2 week period I become a total DGI -- well, at least an IDC (I Don't Care) and follow the dogs.

DM
 

RJC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
To our resident solar scholars

From the Springerlink site


The electron pulsation event is defined in the paper. Firstly, a slow Halo CME on March 16, 2001 (similar to the one we just saw –rjc) that led to low-energetic solar proton event, electron pulsation event and major geomagnetic storm was analyzed. And then, dozens of events are collected. The interrelations among the solar flare, CME, solar proton event, electron pulsation event and geomagnetic storm are studied. The results show that: (i) Solar proton events can be regarded as the indication that CMEs get to the earth and the electron pulsation events can be regarded as the indication of solar proton flux. (ii) Not only can fast CMEs strongly influence the earth, but also slow CMEs can influence the earth, and its influences are more frequent and cannot be neglected. (iii) Most of high-energetic solar proton events withE≥10 MeV can lead to geomagnetic storms, but most of the medium and weak geomagnetic storms result from low-energetic solar proton events that are caused by CMEs. (iv) Both the electron pulsation events and geomagnetic storms are the link effects of high- and low-energetic solar proton events, but the occurrence of electron pulsation event are generally prior to the geomagnetic storm. So in the circumstance where the near real-time observing data of the low-energetic solar proton event cannot be obtained, we can regard electron pulsation event as the indication of the low-energetic solar proton flux reaching the earth, which can be used as one of the important references of short-term prediction and alert of the geomagnetic storm.

And that is what we saw over the last 4 days. But it is by all standards a weak storm and still persistent. The last observation

Space Weather Message Code: ALTEF3
Serial Number: 1648
Issue Time: 2010 Mar 15 1206 UTC

ALERT: Electron 2MeV Integral Flux exceeded 1000pfu
Threshold Reached: 2010 Mar 15 1150 UTC
Station: GOES-11

This is not very significant. But as I have studied this for years I can say it was a little higher at about noon PDT. Still nothing serious, we’ll see tomorrow what the reading is, when our very own prognosticators warned of a supposed CME reaching the earth, not realizing it already has.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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The event of March 12th did not reach the level of a G1

Irrelevant to this thread - this thread is about the full halo CME on March 14th.

You are missing the point entirely and giving others a false sense of security. The immediate threat is small, the outlook in the future is absolutely, 100%, unpredictable. On top of 100%, anyone who is open minded to and not a head in the sander, will agree that the Sun is very agitated these days and signs are showing the agitation is growing.

+1000


just about everything the Sun has done over the last Solar Cycle has been completely unexpected. To say this is all just 'business as usual' shows an appalling lack of understanding of what has happened in the last 15 years, all the 'unprecedented' and 'totally' unexpected events (NASA words).

Again, +1000.

And this is not because of our opinions, it's what NASA is saying.


Still nothing serious, we’ll see tomorrow what the reading is, when our very own prognosticators warned of a supposed CME reaching the earth, not realizing it already has.

Why don't we wait and see? The effects aren't expected for at least 24 hours. You've made your point clear that you don't think anything with regard to the sun has changed but are you aware that defies everything coming out of NASA. Can you tell us where you are getting your conflicting information? I'd like to read the other side of the argument if you can provide some links.

Here are some links; the first one discusses what the results of a solar storm could be, the 2nd one discusses new findings about our magnetic shield:

http://www.newscientist.com/article...-storm-alert-90-seconds-from-catastrophe.html
(fair use applies)

Space storm alert: 90 seconds from catastrophe
23 March 2009 by Michael Brooks
Magazine issue 2700.


IT IS midnight on 22 September 2012 and the skies above Manhattan are filled with a flickering curtain of colourful light. Few New Yorkers have seen the aurora this far south but their fascination is short-lived. Within a few seconds, electric bulbs dim and flicker, then become unusually bright for a fleeting moment. Then all the lights in the state go out. Within 90 seconds, the entire eastern half of the US is without power.

A year later and millions of Americans are dead and the nation's infrastructure lies in tatters. The World Bank declares America a developing nation. Europe, Scandinavia, China and Japan are also struggling to recover from the same fateful event - a violent storm, 150 million kilometres away on the surface of the sun.

It sounds ridiculous. Surely the sun couldn't create so profound a disaster on Earth. Yet an extraordinary report funded by NASA and issued by the US National Academy of Sciences (NAS) in January this year claims it could do just that
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Over the last few decades, western civilisations have busily sown the seeds of their own destruction. Our modern way of life, with its reliance on technology, has unwittingly exposed us to an extraordinary danger: plasma balls spewed from the surface of the sun could wipe out our power grids, with catastrophic consequences.

The projections of just how catastrophic make chilling reading. "We're moving closer and closer to the edge of a possible disaster," says Daniel Baker, a space weather expert based at the University of Colorado in Boulder, and chair of the NAS committee responsible for the report.

It is hard to conceive of the sun wiping out a large amount of our hard-earned progress. Nevertheless, it is possible. The surface of the sun is a roiling mass of plasma - charged high-energy particles - some of which escape the surface and travel through space as the solar wind. From time to time, that wind carries a billion-tonne glob of plasma, a fireball known as a coronal mass ejection (see "When hell comes to Earth"). If one should hit the Earth's magnetic shield, the result could be truly devastating.

The incursion of the plasma into our atmosphere causes rapid changes in the configuration of Earth's magnetic field which, in turn, induce currents in the long wires of the power grids. The grids were not built to handle this sort of direct current electricity. The greatest danger is at the step-up and step-down transformers used to convert power from its transport voltage to domestically useful voltage. The increased DC current creates strong magnetic fields that saturate a transformer's magnetic core. The result is runaway current in the transformer's copper wiring, which rapidly heats up and melts. This is exactly what happened in the Canadian province of Quebec in March 1989, and six million people spent 9 hours without electricity. But things could get much, much worse than that.

The most serious space weather event in history happened in 1859. It is known as the Carrington event, after the British amateur astronomer Richard Carrington, who was the first to note its cause: "two patches of intensely bright and white light" emanating from a large group of sunspots. The Carrington event comprised eight days of severe space weather.

There were eyewitness accounts of stunning auroras, even at equatorial latitudes. The world's telegraph networks experienced severe disruptions, and Victorian magnetometers were driven off the scale.

Though a solar outburst could conceivably be more powerful, "we haven't found an example of anything worse than a Carrington event", says James Green, head of NASA's planetary division and an expert on the events of 1859. "From a scientific perspective, that would be the one that we'd want to survive." However, the prognosis from the NAS analysis is that, thanks to our technological prowess, many of us may not.

There are two problems to face. The first is the modern electricity grid, which is designed to operate at ever higher voltages over ever larger areas. Though this provides a more efficient way to run the electricity networks, minimising power losses and wastage through overproduction, it has made them much more vulnerable to space weather. The high-power grids act as particularly efficient antennas, channelling enormous direct currents into the power transformers.

The second problem is the grid's interdependence with the systems that support our lives: water and sewage treatment, supermarket delivery infrastructures, power station controls, financial markets and many others all rely on electricity. Put the two together, and it is clear that a repeat of the Carrington event could produce a catastrophe the likes of which the world has never seen. "It's just the opposite of how we usually think of natural disasters," says John Kappenman, a power industry analyst with the Metatech Corporation of Goleta, California, and an advisor to the NAS committee that produced the report. "Usually the less developed regions of the world are most vulnerable, not the highly sophisticated technological regions."

According to the NAS report, a severe space weather event in the US could induce ground currents that would knock out 300 key transformers within about 90 seconds, cutting off the power for more than 130 million people (see map). From that moment, the clock is ticking for America.

First to go - immediately for some people - is drinkable water. Anyone living in a high-rise apartment, where water has to be pumped to reach them, would be cut off straight away. For the rest, drinking water will still come through the taps for maybe half a day. With no electricity to pump water from reservoirs, there is no more after that.

There is simply no electrically powered transport: no trains, underground or overground. Our just-in-time culture for delivery networks may represent the pinnacle of efficiency, but it means that supermarket shelves would empty very quickly - delivery trucks could only keep running until their tanks ran out of fuel, and there is no electricity to pump any more from the underground tanks at filling stations.

Back-up generators would run at pivotal sites - but only until their fuel ran out. For hospitals, that would mean about 72 hours of running a bare-bones, essential care only, service. After that, no more modern healthcare.

The truly shocking finding is that this whole situation would not improve for months, maybe years: melted transformer hubs cannot be repaired, only replaced. "From the surveys I've done, you might have a few spare transformers around, but installing a new one takes a well-trained crew a week or more," says Kappenman. "A major electrical utility might have one suitably trained crew, maybe two."

Within a month, then, the handful of spare transformers would be used up. The rest will have to be built to order, something that can take up to 12 months.

Even when some systems are capable of receiving power again, there is no guarantee there will be any to deliver. Almost all natural gas and fuel pipelines require electricity to operate. Coal-fired power stations usually keep reserves to last 30 days, but with no transport systems running to bring more fuel, there will be no electricity in the second month.

Nuclear power stations wouldn't fare much better. They are programmed to shut down in the event of serious grid problems and are not allowed to restart until the power grid is up and running.

With no power for heating, cooling or refrigeration systems, people could begin to die within days. There is immediate danger for those who rely on medication. Lose power to New Jersey, for instance, and you have lost a major centre of production of pharmaceuticals for the entire US. Perishable medications such as insulin will soon be in short supply. "In the US alone there are a million people with diabetes," Kappenman says. "Shut down production, distribution and storage and you put all those lives at risk in very short order."

Help is not coming any time soon, either. If it is dark from the eastern seaboard to Chicago, some affected areas are hundreds, maybe thousands of miles away from anyone who might help. And those willing to help are likely to be ill-equipped to deal with the sheer scale of the disaster. "If a Carrington event happened now, it would be like a hurricane Katrina, but 10 times worse," says Paul Kintner, a plasma physicist at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York.

In reality, it would be much worse than that. Hurricane Katrina's societal and economic impact has been measured at $81 billion to $125 billion. According to the NAS report, the impact of what it terms a "severe geomagnetic storm scenario" could be as high as $2 trillion. And that's just the first year after the storm. The NAS puts the recovery time at four to 10 years. It is questionable whether the US would ever bounce back.

"I don't think the NAS report is scaremongering," says Mike Hapgood, who chairs the European Space Agency's space weather team. Green agrees. "Scientists are conservative by nature and this group is really thoughtful," he says. "This is a fair and balanced report."

Such nightmare scenarios are not restricted to North America. High latitude nations such as Sweden and Norway have been aware for a while that, while regular views of the aurora are pretty, they are also reminders of an ever-present threat to their electricity grids. However, the trend towards installing extremely high voltage grids means that lower latitude countries are also at risk. For example, China is on the way to implementing a 1000-kilovolt electrical grid, twice the voltage of the US grid. This would be a superb conduit for space weather-induced disaster because the grid's efficiency to act as an antenna rises as the voltage between the grid and the ground increases. "China is going to discover at some point that they have a problem," Kappenman says.

Neither is Europe sufficiently prepared. Responsibility for dealing with space weather issues is "very fragmented" in Europe, says Hapgood.

Europe's electricity grids, on the other hand, are highly interconnected and extremely vulnerable to cascading failures. In 2006, the routine switch-off of a small part of Germany's grid - to let a ship pass safely under high-voltage cables - caused a cascade power failure across western Europe. In France alone, five million people were left without electricity for two hours. "These systems are so complicated we don't fully understand the effects of twiddling at one place," Hapgood says. "Most of the time it's alright, but occasionally it will get you."

The good news is that, given enough warning, the utility companies can take precautions, such as adjusting voltages and loads, and restricting transfers of energy so that sudden spikes in current don't cause cascade failures. There is still more bad news, however. Our early warning system is becoming more unreliable by the day.

By far the most important indicator of incoming space weather is NASA's Advanced Composition Explorer (ACE). The probe, launched in 1997, has a solar orbit that keeps it directly between the sun and Earth. Its uninterrupted view of the sun means it gives us continuous reports on the direction and velocity of the solar wind and other streams of charged particles that flow past its sensors. ACE can provide between 15 and 45 minutes' warning of any incoming geomagnetic storms. The power companies need about 15 minutes to prepare their systems for a critical event, so that would seem passable.

However, observations of the sun and magnetometer readings during the Carrington event shows that the coronal mass ejection was travelling so fast it took less than 15 minutes to get from where ACE is positioned to Earth.
"It arrived faster than we can do anything," Hapgood says.

There is another problem. ACE is 11 years old, and operating well beyond its planned lifespan. The onboard detectors are not as sensitive as they used to be, and there is no telling when they will finally give up the ghost. Furthermore, its sensors become saturated in the event of a really powerful solar flare. "It was built to look at average conditions rather than extremes," Baker says.

He was part of a space weather commission that three years ago warned about the problems of relying on ACE. "It's been on my mind for a long time," he says. "To not have a spare, or a strategy to replace it if and when it should fail, is rather foolish."

There is no replacement for ACE due any time soon. Other solar observation satellites, such as the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) can provide some warning, but with less detailed information and - crucially - much later. "It's quite hard to assess what the impact of losing ACE will be," Hapgood says. "We will largely lose the early warning capability."

The world will, most probably, yawn at the prospect of a devastating solar storm until it happens. Kintner says his students show a "deep indifference" when he lectures on the impact of space weather. But if policy-makers show a similar indifference in the face of the latest NAS report, it could cost tens of millions of lives, Kappenman reckons. "It could conceivably be the worst natural disaster possible," he says.

The report outlines the worst case scenario for the US. The "perfect storm" is most likely on a spring or autumn night in a year of heightened solar activity - something like 2012. Around the equinoxes, the orientation of the Earth's field to the sun makes us particularly vulnerable to a plasma strike.

What's more, at these times of year, electricity demand is relatively low because no one needs too much heating or air conditioning. With only a handful of the US grid's power stations running, the system relies on computer algorithms shunting large amounts of power around the grid and this leaves the network highly vulnerable to sudden spikes.

If ACE has failed by then, or a plasma ball flies at us too fast for any warning from ACE to reach us, the consequences could be staggering. "A really large storm could be a planetary disaster," Kappenman says.

So what should be done? No one knows yet - the report is meant to spark that conversation. Baker is worried, though, that the odds are stacked against that conversation really getting started. As the NAS report notes, it is terribly difficult to inspire people to prepare for a potential crisis that has never happened before and may not happen for decades to come. "It takes a lot of effort to educate policy-makers, and that is especially true with these low-frequency events," he says.

We should learn the lessons of hurricane Katrina, though, and realise that "unlikely" doesn't mean "won't happen". Especially when the stakes are so high. The fact is, it could come in the next three or four years - and with devastating effects. "The Carrington event happened during a mediocre, ho-hum solar cycle," Kintner says. "It came out of nowhere, so we just don't know when something like that is going to happen again."


Or this:

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/16dec_giantbreach.htm
(fair use applies)

A Giant Breach in Earth's Magnetic Field
12.16.2008

Dec. 16, 2008: NASA's five THEMIS spacecraft have discovered a breach in Earth's magnetic field ten times larger than anything previously thought to exist. Solar wind can flow in through the opening to "load up" the magnetosphere for powerful geomagnetic storms. But the breach itself is not the biggest surprise. Researchers are even more amazed at the strange and unexpected way it forms, overturning long-held ideas of space physics.

"At first I didn't believe it," says THEMIS project scientist David Sibeck of the Goddard Space Flight Center. "This finding fundamentally alters our understanding of the solar wind-magnetosphere interaction."

The magnetosphere is a bubble of magnetism that surrounds Earth and protects us from solar wind. Exploring the bubble is a key goal of the THEMIS mission, launched in February 2007. The big discovery came on June 3, 2007, when the five probes serendipitously flew through the breach just as it was opening. Onboard sensors recorded a torrent of solar wind particles streaming into the magnetosphere, signaling an event of unexpected size and importance.

"The opening was huge—four times wider than Earth itself," says Wenhui Li, a space physicist at the University of New Hampshire who has been analyzing the data. Li's colleague Jimmy Raeder, also of New Hampshire, says "1027 particles per second were flowing into the magnetosphere—that's a 1 followed by 27 zeros. This kind of influx is an order of magnitude greater than what we thought was possible."

The event began with little warning when a gentle gust of solar wind delivered a bundle of magnetic fields from the Sun to Earth. Like an octopus wrapping its tentacles around a big clam, solar magnetic fields draped themselves around the magnetosphere and cracked it open. The cracking was accomplished by means of a process called "magnetic reconnection." High above Earth's poles, solar and terrestrial magnetic fields linked up (reconnected) to form conduits for solar wind. Conduits over the Arctic and Antarctic quickly expanded; within minutes they overlapped over Earth's equator to create the biggest magnetic breach ever recorded by Earth-orbiting spacecraft.

The size of the breach took researchers by surprise. "We've seen things like this before," says Raeder, "but never on such a large scale. The entire day-side of the magnetosphere was open to the solar wind."

The circumstances were even more surprising. Space physicists have long believed that holes in Earth's magnetosphere open only in response to solar magnetic fields that point south. The great breach of June 2007, however, opened in response to a solar magnetic field that pointed north.

"To the lay person, this may sound like a quibble, but to a space physicist, it is almost seismic," says Sibeck. "When I tell my colleagues, most react with skepticism, as if I'm trying to convince them that the sun rises in the west."

Here is why they can't believe their ears: The solar wind presses against Earth's magnetosphere almost directly above the equator where our planet's magnetic field points north. Suppose a bundle of solar magnetism comes along, and it points north, too. The two fields should reinforce one another, strengthening Earth's magnetic defenses and slamming the door shut on the solar wind. In the language of space physics, a north-pointing solar magnetic field is called a "northern IMF" and it is synonymous with shields up!

"So, you can imagine our surprise when a northern IMF came along and shields went down instead," says Sibeck. "This completely overturns our understanding of things."

Northern IMF events don't actually trigger geomagnetic storms, notes Raeder, but they do set the stage for storms by loading the magnetosphere with plasma. A loaded magnetosphere is primed for auroras, power outages, and other disturbances that can result when, say, a CME (coronal mass ejection) hits.

The years ahead could be especially lively. Raeder explains: "We're entering Solar Cycle 24. For reasons not fully understood, CMEs in even-numbered solar cycles (like 24) tend to hit Earth with a leading edge that is magnetized north. Such a CME should open a breach and load the magnetosphere with plasma just before the storm gets underway. It's the perfect sequence for a really big event."

Sibeck agrees. "This could result in stronger geomagnetic storms than we have seen in many years."

For more information about the THEMIS mission, visit http://nasa.gov/themis
 
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Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic

It certainly looks like it did. I wonder if that's a function of the satellite viewing it - ie: angle or something of that sort? Or :shr:


ETA:

Here is today's space weather update. As you can see, they are still waiting for this CME to arrive.:

http://www.spaceweather.com/
(fair use applies)

AURORA WATCH: A solar wind stream is heading for Earth, and so is a coronal mass ejection (CME). Together, they add up to a geomagnetic storm alert for March 17th and 18th. The impact of the solar wind plus CME will brighten Arctic skies already alive with Northern Lights.
(snip)
NOAA forecasters estimate a 30% chance of geomagnetic activity and a 5% chance of severe geomagnetic storms during the next 24 hours. Photo-ops are in the offing!
 
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Red Baron

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This is an informal estimate of how well we are prepared for the major space weather events of the next solar activity cycle which begins in 2007, reaches a maximum in 2011 and declines to a minimum in 2017.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The seven quantities, below, are individually assessed on a rough 4-point scale (Poor, Fair, Good, Excellent), and combined by averaging to determine our over-all preparedness.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The following assessment was made in[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] May, 2005.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Education [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]- There has been some attempt by NASA to provide classroom education in space weather topics - mostly about solar activity and aurora. Most of these efforts have been relatively effective in making large numbers of students aware of space weather issues. Millions of students participate in the NASA 'Sun-Earth Day' which deals with how solar storms affect Earth. Public education appears to be in similar shape, with the news media regularly providing front-page reporting on ongoing space weather events, and highlighting in the same breath their potential for causing blackouts and other disruptions. The number of 'hits' to pages with the following space weather topics were determined by using GOOGLE:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Solar storms.... 53,000,[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Solar flares...191,000, Coronal Mass Ejections (CME) ... 64,000, Aurora Borealis ... 446,000. As a comparison, we used the term 'Creationism' which garnered 822,000 pages, and 'UFO' which accounted for 2.4 million pages. We assess the education quantity as [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Fair. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Electrical Power[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]- The North American power grid continues to operate on declining margins, and with only modest infrastructure back up for its critical transformers. There have been three major blackouts in the last 10 years affecting 50 million people. Replacement parts for the largest transformers at 500 - 700 kiloVolts require long lead times of over 12 months, and are only supplied by foreign companies. The current stockpile for these critical items is fewer than the number of likely failures during the most severe space weather storms of the last 150 years. However, although there have been several near-blackouts of portions of the US electrical grid by space weather events since 1998, operators have been able to avoid these blackouts so far. In the next 5 years, the construction of new power plants will continue to fall behind the domestic need for power, and margins will decline to between 1 and 5% in most areas. Space weather forecasting techniques are slowly being adopted, but the chief data resource, the NASA ACE satellite, is operating beyond its mission lifetime and will be decommissioned by 2007, leaving the US power grid without any advanced warning of impending space weather storms. This quantity is assessed to be[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Poor.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Satellites[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] - Even during the most severe storms of the previous sunspot cycle (ca 1996-2005), out of the 936 operating satellites there were only a few dozen severe anomalies that could have compromised the performance of these satellites. All satellites continue to experience a steady 2 - 5% decline each year in solar power due to cosmic ray degradation. More rapid declines have been caused by Solar Proton Events, but overall the loss of satellite operations in the near term has been minimal or entirely absent. Nevertheless, many satellites are operating beyond their planned 10-year lifetimes and are only being replaced at a modest rate, so we expect some service declines to occur in transponder availability in the years to come. Technological improvements in solar panel designs and with onboard SEU compensation software continue to move satellite operations in the low-impact direction. We assess this quantity as Excellent.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Astronaut Health[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]- The most severe solar flares so far have only increased the annual dosages for astronauts by a slight amount over what we receive on the ground. None of these exposures has resulted in any signs of radiation sickness, so long as the astronauts were inside their spacecraft or the International Space Station. We assess this quantity as[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Excellent.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Airline Travel[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] - Airlines that fly polar routes are the most susceptible to space weather events, particularly solar flares. Congressional testimony in 2003 by a representative of United Airlines indicates that the Industry is well aware of radiation risks. They do take precautions to minimize exposure to passengers and flight crews by altering flight plans as needed, even though there are significant costs associated with such changes. However, airline crew unions in North America continue to encounter difficulty in having flight crews regarded as 'radiation workers' subject to the same OSHA guidelines as nuclear power plant operators who experience the same or similar radiation levels. This includes lack of support for the regular wearing of dosimetry badges, now common among similar crews in Europe. We assess this quantity as Good.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Research[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] - Huge advances in understanding the sun-earth system have been made in the last 10 years, thanks to satellites capable of providing critical data in near real-time during actual storm events. These satellites are now quite old and about to be retired by NASA. New satellites will come online by 2008 which will continue our ability to monitor the sun for potentially harmful storms. This area of research at NASA has, however, experienced cutbacks in funding due to the new Mission to Mars initiative, despite the fact that space weather radiation events will be the most harmful environmental hazard for space travel. Fewer researchers are working in sun-earth system research areas on a long-term basis due to funding cutbacks. We assess this quantity as Fair.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Forecasting[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] - The premier resource for space weather forecasting, the NOAA Space Environment Center in Boulder Colorado, has experienced frequent budget cuts, and has been repeatedly in danger of being closed entirely (i.e 1998 and 2003). Forecasting methods for the most severe flares and Solar Proton Events are not better than 50/50 for a 24-hour period, so that forecasters can not reliably predict even the most extreme solar flares capable of harming astronauts and damaging satellites. We still can't use physical principles and physics-based computer models to anticipate exactly what a particular flare or CME will do, or how they are manufactured by the sun. Some researchers consider modern space weather forecasting to be where terrestrial weather forecasting was over 100 years ago. There has been little progress in this problem in a decade due to its chronic under-funding. CMEs and the consequent geomagnetic storms can be anticipated days in advance thanks to the availability of the ACE and SoHo satellites, which are critical in helping electrical power managers mitigate against geomagnetic storms. These satellites are, however, very old and about to be retired with no direct replacement of the ACE functions planned in the future. We assess this quantity as Poor.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The overall Preparedness Index is therefore (2 + 1 + 4 + 4 + 3 + 2+ 1)/7 = 17/7 = 2.4 or Fair.[/FONT]


http://www.solarstorms.org/SPrepare.htm
 

RJC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
On 3/12/2010 three fragments of a comet struck the sun. It seems that every time a comet strikes the sun there is a flare or mass ejection. A very common event. Such was the case on 3/12.

Apparently the ejection from the strike came from the area of the current sunspot, which was near to directly aligned with the earth. As such the ejection comes up and then because of our point of viewing it appears as a halo around the sun. By 3/14 the halo was clearly visible and thus on 3/14 the bloggers began the panic talk.

This ejection reached a K index rating of 4 on a scale of 0 to 9. Far below a G1 level that is considered potentially capable of generating minor damage to earth facilities. Nonetheless, we have experienced some minor Electron flux increase which in turn has had little effect except to increase static and irritation to those very sensitive to it.

As of 1600 UTC today (16 hours universal time) there is no report of any electron flux deviation and it must be assumed normal as of now. No other activity is reported.
 
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On 3/12/2010 three fragments of a comet struck the sun. It seems that every time a comet strikes the sun there is a flare or mass ejection. A very common event.



Lol. You are blowing smoke out your you know what. This statement tells me all I need to know about your lack of understanding.


Why, don't you know that NASA itself has declared that comets never hit the sun, and there is absolutely no correlation between near sun/comet misses and CME's?


Perhaps you wish to tell US all just how common this is? And without doing any quick research on the net so you have more smoke to blow, just tell US all from memory some of the larger CME/Comet events of the last ten years?
 

Rex Jackson

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Rex

Nothing you have related is out of the ordinary, there have always been solar filaments and the magnetosphere always ebbs and flows in its strength. You are making something out of nothing.

wrong, at just about all of that statement.
1) Solar filaments have been happening BUT THEY ARE RARE (google it)
2) All three solar filaments over the last three weeks are record breaking in size
3) To have three solar filaments in three weeks is unheard of
4) To have three record breaking in size filaments in three weeks is even more unheard of.
5) The magnetosphere "ebbing and flowing" in strength is NOT the issue. The issue is that is is being battered AND this battering is occuring at times where there are zero or non-related sunspots, CMEs, flares, or filaments.
6) NASA issues at least ten warnings last summer regarding the atmosphere, magnetosphere, heliosphere. Google it.

It is true that at any given moment, we are at risk of some sort of solar event, also true of incoming NEOs (objects such as asteroids), true of earthquakes, even Russia or China might fire off nukes.

Rabble

The sun has been in a solar minimum for an extended time and that is not normal, scientists think. Who can tell? However, we are not having any significant solar activity as of now. And you are correct it can change quickly.

1) Solar minimum's and maximums can be detected from Earth using a telescope. How long have they been around? few hundred years?
2) The Sun has not only been in a solar minimum but the maximum seems to have been replaces with 'other' type events.
3) As for "not having any significant solar activity as of now", best read my 1-6 again.

BTW would you provide some evidence or links showing “every time a solar filament forms on the surface of the Sun, our military goes into a heightened state of alert.”

So now Im a liar? Also, don't make up words and put them in someone else's mouth. Its bad enough I have to do your research for you. I said last week, and this week, the military went to a heightened state of alert. I have three sources. (the Internet) and personal friends.

Now give me a min. while I do your research for you. (normally I would say find it your lazy/denial self but this is important).
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Sry, don't have time to find it.You'll need to look for yourself. It was Washington and Military on alert. Google that.
 

RJC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Solar activity is expected to be at very low to low levels for the next three days (16-18 March). C-flares are likely from Region 1054. There is a slight chance for an isolated M-class event also from this region.

The geomagnetic field is expected to be at quiet to unsettled levels for the next three days (16-18 March). The increase in activity is due to a recurrent coronal hole high-speed stream on day one and day two, and a slow moving partial halo CME observed on 13 March arriving late on day three

ETA


3-day Space Weather Predictions
#
:Prediction_dates: 2010 Mar 16 2010 Mar 17 2010 Mar 18
:Geomagnetic_A_indices:
A_Fredericksburg 7 7 7
A_Planetary 7 7 7
#
# Predicted 3-hour Middle latitude k-indices
:Pred_Mid_k:
Mid/00-03UT 3 3 2
Mid/03-06UT 2 2 2
Mid/06-09UT 2 2 2
Mid/09-12UT 2 2 2
Mid/12-15UT 1 2 2
Mid/15-18UT 1 1 1
Mid/18-21UT 1 1 2
Mid/21-00UT 2 1 2
#
# Predicted 3-hour High latitude k-indices:
:Pred_High_k:
High/00-03UT 2 2 2
High/03-06UT 2 2 1
High/06-09UT 2 2 2
High/09-12UT 2 3 2
High/12-15UT 2 2 2
High/15-18UT 2 1 2
High/18-21UT 2 1 2
High/21-00UT 2 1 2
#
# Probability of Geomagnetic conditions at Middle Latitude
:Prob_Mid:
Mid/Active 30 25 30
Mid/Minor_Storm 10 10 10
Mid/Major-Severe_Storm 5 5 5
#
# Probability of Geomagnetic conditions at High Latitudes
:Prob_High:
High/Active 30 25 30
High/Minor_Storm 15 15 15
High/Major-Severe_Storm 5 5 5
#
# Polar Cap Absorption Forecast
:Polar_cap:
green
#
# Solar
:10cm_flux:
86 86 87
#
:Whole_Disk_Flare_Prob:
Class_M 10 10 10
Class_X 1 1 1
Proton 1 1 1
#
# Region Flare Probabilities for 2010 Mar 16
# Region Class C M X P
:Reg_Prob: 2010 Mar 15
1054 70 10 1 1
 
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vulcan

Inactive
I'm with RJC on this one. Contrary to the "Sky-Is-Falling" banter, nothing about this CME seems out of the ordinary. If anything, IMHO, it seems as though the speed and density of the current 'solar wind' is back to the normal of about 4 years ago (when I first started watching spaceweather.com).
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm with RJC on this one. Contrary to the "Sky-Is-Falling" banter, nothing about this CME seems out of the ordinary. If anything, IMHO, it seems as though the speed and density of the current 'solar wind' is back to the normal of about 4 years ago (when I first started watching spaceweather.com).

I don't believe anyone said this CME is going to be a killer. In fact, everyone agrees that it should be typical. Again, for the crowd that refuses to grasp what we have been talking about, seeing our Sun is all messed up (given the facts mentioned by many above) any CME should be monitored closely. Not much is normal about the Sun right now.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I don't believe anyone said this CME is going to be a killer. In fact, everyone agrees that it should be typical. Again, for the crowd that refuses to grasp what we have been talking about, seeing our Sun is all messed up (given the facts mentioned by many above) any CME should be monitored closely. Not much is normal about the Sun right now.

Appreciate the updates Rex!
 

bobpick

Inactive
I don't believe anyone said this CME is going to be a killer. In fact, everyone agrees that it should be typical. Again, for the crowd that refuses to grasp what we have been talking about, seeing our Sun is all messed up (given the facts mentioned by many above) any CME should be monitored closely. Not much is normal about the Sun right now.

With the "holey" magnetosphere, I think it would be prudent to see how the M-sphere responds to this CME, and perhaps use it as a gauge against future CME's.

ie, if nothing major happens, and we get a slightly bigger CME next month, but the M-sphere is more compromised, can we expect worse things???

Am I clear, or just rambling?:groucho:
 

RJC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
RJC said:
On 3/12/2010 three fragments of a comet struck the sun. It seems that every time a comet strikes the sun there is a flare or mass ejection. A very common event.
dragonslayer2001 said:
Lol. You are blowing smoke out your you know what. This statement tells me all I need to know about your lack of understanding.


Why, don't you know that NASA itself has declared that comets never hit the sun, and there is absolutely no correlation between near sun/comet misses and CME's?
Rex Jackson said:
Two Comets-Lower Left of Sun
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This is the 4th comet in the past 90 days that came from the lower left side (8:00) position of the Sun.

a) Very rare
b) very odd
c) as rare as 3 hyder flares in 3 weeks
d) first one struck the Sun yesterday and caused a CME
e) second one should strike today sometime and it is 4+ times the size of the first one
f) our magnetosphere is very weak right now

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=356751

Heliobas Disciple said:
Youtube video of the comets hitting the sun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJmZlA50DpM

Description with video:
Quote:
On March 12th, 2010 SpaceWeather.com reported that the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) watched as a comet plunged into the sun and disappeared. Upon closer inspection of the SOHO images I found that it was part of a series of at least four comet fragments following the same trajectory. The highlights in this video are my own addition to make the comets more visible.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
Looks like the effects of the CME caused by the C class solar flare on March 14th (which is what this thread is about, not the CMEs on the 12th or the comets) are starting to hit Earth.

This is the most recent reading - it will continue to update during the day. You can check it out here to see what it's doing:

http://www.n3kl.org/sun/index.html

What you want to look at is the KP index (line on the bottom) - the higher it goes, the more the effects of the CME are being recorded here. As of right now the yellow line on the graph is what we'd expect to see from a C class flare. (nothing remarkable). We'll watch it during the day to see whether or not the changes in our magnetic shield give a disproportionate Kp reading for what we'd expect to see from a C1 flare.


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http://www.n3kl.org/sun/images/noaa_satenv.gif
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RJC

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Solar Activity Forecast: Solar activity is expected to be at very low levels for the next three days (17-19 March) with a chance for an isolated C-class flare from Region 1054.

Geophysical Activity Forecast: The geomagnetic field is expected to be at quiet to unsettled levels for the next two days (17-18 March) due to a coronal hole high-speed stream on day one and the arrival of partial halo CME arriving on day two. Geomagnetic activity levels are expected to return to quiet levels on day three (19 March).

The K Indexes now show in the 13th (UT) hour a 1, it was up to 4 at the 6th hour for 3/17. The magnetometer reading is way below yesterday’s highs, (which were very low). The proton and Electron flux are at very low levels presently.

Like a baby's breath blowing on the magnetosphere

Move along now, nothing to see.
 
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