Volleyball Granny
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Amen!
BRKG Health Care Passes the House
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Amen!
Volleyball Granny
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I say we each need to buy a ream of cherry pink cardstock, cut each piece into quarters, write the words 'You should have voted "NO"!' on each card and mail them to the congress critters. I'm saying use the bright color because it doesn't even have to be opened and read for anyone watching the mail truck to get the idea that people are pissed.
I am happy that the vote was so close--and I think the one lone Republican that voted yes needs to be sanctioned.
Hmmm! Maybe things are not as bad as we first thought.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/08/is-this-the-high-water-mark-for-obamacare/
The Democrats wheedled, cajoled, begged, and finally abandoned its defense of abortion — truly a watershed moment — in order to get their version of ObamaCare passed … in the House of Representatives, where they enjoy a 75-seat majority. In the end, they could only muster a five-vote win on Nancy Pelosi’s bill out of that strong majority. Until this week, most had assumed that any ObamaCare bill would pass the House easily, but that the fight would be in the Senate.
So what does this 220-215 vote tell us? Capitol Hill Democrats know that this bill is an albatross. It’s true that Pelosi was able at the end to negotiate votes to allow a few at-risk Democrats that supported the bill to oppose it in the final vote, but even that tells a tale of fear and consciousness of unpopularity. The razor-thin vote, as well as a number of earlier, more sincere defections, show that this bill was a radical and expensive approach to fix a 13% problem — and even most of the Democrats know it.
Now the focus swings to the Senate, where Harry Reid will have to gain supermajorities at least twice to allow the bill to proceed to a final vote. That seems unlikely, although not impossible. The process will slow down considerably from the jam-down Pelosi conducted in the lower chamber, perhaps even to a crawl if Tom Coburn makes good on his threat to have the bill read in its entirety on the Senate floor. That will leave plenty of time for ObamaCare opponents to find all of the taxes, mandates, and government intrusions that will make it even less popular as it sits in the Senate. Even before Coburn’s threat, Democrats had pushed expectations for the bill out to late January — which makes the politics of the bill even more fraught for Democrats, at the start of an election year.
Democrats have another problem, even in the House. The Senate is not considering the Pelosi plan, but one they wrote themselves. Unless Reid pulls his own bill out of consideration and substitutes Pelosi’s — which is a possibility — that sets up a conference committee and second vote in each chamber, assuming that the Senate passes anything at all. If that happens, a conference committee will have to meet to produce another bill that would then go for a full floor vote in each chamber.
If abortion funding makes its way back into the bill, or if mandates or taxes increase, or if conscience protections get stripped, then all of the hurdles that Pelosi barely cleared the first time return, and without the ability to amend the bill (conference reports get straight up-or-down votes without amendments in order to have both chambers pass identical legislation for the President to sign.) That means another shot at a filibuster and a lengthy bill reading in the Senate, and at least a chance to hold Bart Stupak’s pro-life coalition in the House under the spotlight to find out whether they will vote their conscience or bow to Pelosi.
We always thought the fight was in the Senate, so the only real surprise yesterday was how weak Pelosi actually was on ObamaCare. Our focus now has to shift to those red-state Senators who will have to explain to voters their potential support of a bill that imposes unconstitutional mandates and trillions of dollars in new costs on a government that can’t pay its bills now. And in this case, we’ll only need two of them to stop the runaway tyranny of the Democratic agenda.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/08/is-this-the-high-water-mark-for-obamacare/
The Democrats wheedled, cajoled, begged, and finally abandoned its defense of abortion — truly a watershed moment — in order to get their version of ObamaCare passed … in the House of Representatives, where they enjoy a 75-seat majority. In the end, they could only muster a five-vote win on Nancy Pelosi’s bill out of that strong majority. Until this week, most had assumed that any ObamaCare bill would pass the House easily, but that the fight would be in the Senate.
So what does this 220-215 vote tell us? Capitol Hill Democrats know that this bill is an albatross. It’s true that Pelosi was able at the end to negotiate votes to allow a few at-risk Democrats that supported the bill to oppose it in the final vote, but even that tells a tale of fear and consciousness of unpopularity. The razor-thin vote, as well as a number of earlier, more sincere defections, show that this bill was a radical and expensive approach to fix a 13% problem — and even most of the Democrats know it.
Now the focus swings to the Senate, where Harry Reid will have to gain supermajorities at least twice to allow the bill to proceed to a final vote. That seems unlikely, although not impossible. The process will slow down considerably from the jam-down Pelosi conducted in the lower chamber, perhaps even to a crawl if Tom Coburn makes good on his threat to have the bill read in its entirety on the Senate floor. That will leave plenty of time for ObamaCare opponents to find all of the taxes, mandates, and government intrusions that will make it even less popular as it sits in the Senate. Even before Coburn’s threat, Democrats had pushed expectations for the bill out to late January — which makes the politics of the bill even more fraught for Democrats, at the start of an election year.
Democrats have another problem, even in the House. The Senate is not considering the Pelosi plan, but one they wrote themselves. Unless Reid pulls his own bill out of consideration and substitutes Pelosi’s — which is a possibility — that sets up a conference committee and second vote in each chamber, assuming that the Senate passes anything at all. If that happens, a conference committee will have to meet to produce another bill that would then go for a full floor vote in each chamber.
If abortion funding makes its way back into the bill, or if mandates or taxes increase, or if conscience protections get stripped, then all of the hurdles that Pelosi barely cleared the first time return, and without the ability to amend the bill (conference reports get straight up-or-down votes without amendments in order to have both chambers pass identical legislation for the President to sign.) That means another shot at a filibuster and a lengthy bill reading in the Senate, and at least a chance to hold Bart Stupak’s pro-life coalition in the House under the spotlight to find out whether they will vote their conscience or bow to Pelosi.
We always thought the fight was in the Senate, so the only real surprise yesterday was how weak Pelosi actually was on ObamaCare. Our focus now has to shift to those red-state Senators who will have to explain to voters their potential support of a bill that imposes unconstitutional mandates and trillions of dollars in new costs on a government that can’t pay its bills now. And in this case, we’ll only need two of them to stop the runaway tyranny of the Democratic agenda.
"...Now the focus swings to the Senate, where Harry Reid will have to gain supermajorities at least twice to allow the bill to proceed to a final vote..."
They can claim that the size of it makes it a "budget reconciliation bill". Don't need no steenking supermajority for that. 51 votes will do and they got them solid.
The final play will be the House.
They can claim that the size of it makes it a "budget reconciliation bill". Don't need no steenking supermajority for that. 51 votes will do and they got them solid.
The final play will be the House.
seven.sixtwo
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Lilbitsnana
On TB every waking moment
If a million people showed up every month or so wouldn't that have more meanig?
Conservative people showing up in large numbers once is an anomaly to be ignored.
People showing up every other month, monthly or weekly is more likely to get the point across. The larger the numbers the better, but 100,000 or 500,000 every month surely must at least strike some fear?
OK, we don't have several months left...just a thought.
Frangipanni
Veteran Member
Good bye America - you were great and a world super power founded by brilliant, brave men and women of vision.
I know I don't like what we have become and I'm sure I won't like what the future America looks like.
When you are all ready to rise up, let me know.....I'll be the first to join up
I know I don't like what we have become and I'm sure I won't like what the future America looks like.
When you are all ready to rise up, let me know.....I'll be the first to join up
Lilbitsnana
On TB every waking moment
AL only has 7 Reps, but every one of them voted NO.
gunnersmom
Veteran Member
"So what does this 220-215 vote tell us? Capitol Hill Democrats know that this bill is an albatross. It’s true that Pelosi was able at the end to negotiate votes to allow a few at-risk Democrats that supported the bill to oppose it in the final vote, but even that tells a tale of fear and consciousness of unpopularity. The razor-thin vote, as well as a number of earlier, more sincere defections, show that this bill was a radical and expensive approach to fix a 13% problem — and even most of the Democrats know it"
THis is the big one that gets me. They were talking on fox today about Pelosi and company "allowing" the dems that really were facing tough re-election campaigns to vote against the bill and save their seats. HUH? This proves to me that they KNOW this bill is a pile of crap that the majority of Americans oppose, but the shoved it through anyway.
How many of those bastards really thought and believed the spiels they had about no real cost, etc?
I truly can say for the first time in my adult life I have been ashamed of my country for over a year now.
They are traitors.
THis is the big one that gets me. They were talking on fox today about Pelosi and company "allowing" the dems that really were facing tough re-election campaigns to vote against the bill and save their seats. HUH? This proves to me that they KNOW this bill is a pile of crap that the majority of Americans oppose, but the shoved it through anyway.
How many of those bastards really thought and believed the spiels they had about no real cost, etc?
I truly can say for the first time in my adult life I have been ashamed of my country for over a year now.
They are traitors.
Mr. Dot
Inactive
I don't know who the lone R 'yes' was but I heard it reported that his district is liberal and largely democrat. If so, perhaps he listened to his constituents and represented them. What a concept.
I despise the current dem pusch. I despise the notion of D or R being a solution to ANYTHING. They've both dug their graves as far as I'm concerned. F 'em.
Old Gray Mare
TB Fanatic
Who to watch and vote against come November?
"Socialist Heathcare Plot"
Remember remember the seventh of November
Healthcare, treason and plot.
I see no reason why Healthcare, treason
Should ever be forgot...
Pelosi speaker of the House, was found
With maneuvering and control of dissent, underground
O America praise the name of God
That kept thee from this heavy rod!
But though this demon e'er be gone,
its evil now be ours upon!
The words just needed some adjustment....
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Rex Jackson
Has No Life - Lives on TB
the health care bill needs to be torn up but more concerning, is they way they ignored the people's request. They are clearly doing what they want and in my opinion, deserve so serious attention.