CRISIS Ukraine bioweapon? Merged with Cascadian's Thread
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dissimulo
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You have some common misunderstandings that I'll try to help with.
First, bacteria and viruses: Influenza is a virus and plague is a bacterium. Viruses are, by most definitions, non-living packages of protein and genetic information with a biological origin. Their genes (in the cases of Influenza and Ebola, but not for every virus) are stored as RNA, which is like a vinyl record in terms of storage capacity and how the information is accessed. Bacteria (like plague), on the other hand, are much more complex living organisms and store their genes as DNA (which, extending the vinyl record analogy for viruses, you could compare to a DVD). You can copy music from a vinyl record to a DVD, but you need some specialized equipment to do it.
If you cut up a few records into equal sized pieces, and then put the records back together with mixed up pieces, but with all the tracks matched up appropriately, you would have a functional record. In general, you would not consider the results good. For example, a record that switched back and forth between Elvis and chamber music every three seconds would be pretty unlistenable. That is an example of an unsuccessful mutation. Maybe 1 in 100,000 times you did this, you would end up with a combined piece of music that transitioned seamlessly from one piece to the other and didn't sound terrible. That is an example of a successful mutation in RNA.
If you cut up a few DVDs and were able to put the pieces back together so all the tracks matched up, you would have a functional DVD, although the content wouldn't make much sense because now it is not just the audio that has to match up, but also the video. Maybe one in a million times, you would end up with two movies spliced together that just happened to have all the dialog and plot go together smoothly after being combined. That would be a successful mutation in DNA.
Now imagine cutting up a record and a DVD and splicing them together. Obviously, that would not work, no matter how many times you tried it. This is an example of trying to combine RNA and DNA without something to translate one to the other. You can't just mix and match the two.
So, we don't have to worry about a combination of plague and influenza.
That brings us to the matter of influenza and Ebola.
On the surface, these two are a lot more compatible. Both are viruses and both are negative-sense single-stranded RNA viruses, so they have the same kind of genetic code packaged in essentially the same way. They are both vinyl records, so maybe they could be matched up.
However, that is just at the surface. If we take a look at what that RNA contains, we can see that they are very different.
Ebola encodes the following seven proteins: NP, VP35, VP40, GP/sGP, VP30, VP24, and L.
Influenza encodes the following eleven proteins: HA, NA, NP, M1, M2, NS1, NS2(NEP), PA, PB1, PB1-F2 and PB2.
Among all those proteins, only one is common between the two - NP - nucleoprotein. Viruses need this to further encode and transcribe RNA, so it is very important, but not much involved in overall virulence.
Every other protein is different. This is like having a record of classical music and a record of death metal. If you splice them together, odds are you will only get nonsense.
Obviously, if you took two influenzas or two Ebolas and combined them, you would have much higher odds of two parts matching. This is why we worry about recombination between different forms of influenza, but not between influenza and other viruses. The differences between even categorically similar viruses make the odds of any successful combination extremely low. When the majority of the proteins encoded by two versions of a virus are the same and the genes for those proteins are found in the same order, it is then pretty easy for mutations to be passed on during co-infection with both versions. So, we get new versions of the flu every year, but we never see Ebola-flu.
Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
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http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL7179665
Sat Nov 7, 2009 10:12am EST, Reuters
Slovakia tightens border with flu-hit Ukraine
BRATISLAVA, Nov 7 (Reuters) - Slovakia said on Saturday it would close all but one road border crossing with Ukraine on Sunday because of Ukraine's flu epidemic.
Vysne Nemecke, the biggest checkpoint, will be the only one to stay open.
"The reason is the continuing worsening of the epidemic situation in Ukraine," Interior Minister Robert Kalinak told journalists. "This is intended to minimize any eventual outbreak of the disease."
Kalinak said the EU member state's decision was temporary and aimed to protect the bloc.
Doctors and hygienists will be stationed at the border to monitor passengers and have the powers to bar anyone suspected of being infected from entering the country.
Ukraine could delay a January presidential election until May next year because of its outbreak of H1N1 flu, which has killed more than 100 in recent weeks and infected more than 750,000
[ID:nL695938]. (Reporting by Martin Santa; editing by Andrew Roche)
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL7179665
Sat Nov 7, 2009 10:12am EST, Reuters
Slovakia tightens border with flu-hit Ukraine
BRATISLAVA, Nov 7 (Reuters) - Slovakia said on Saturday it would close all but one road border crossing with Ukraine on Sunday because of Ukraine's flu epidemic.
Vysne Nemecke, the biggest checkpoint, will be the only one to stay open.
"The reason is the continuing worsening of the epidemic situation in Ukraine," Interior Minister Robert Kalinak told journalists. "This is intended to minimize any eventual outbreak of the disease."
Kalinak said the EU member state's decision was temporary and aimed to protect the bloc.
Doctors and hygienists will be stationed at the border to monitor passengers and have the powers to bar anyone suspected of being infected from entering the country.
Ukraine could delay a January presidential election until May next year because of its outbreak of H1N1 flu, which has killed more than 100 in recent weeks and infected more than 750,000
[ID:nL695938]. (Reporting by Martin Santa; editing by Andrew Roche)
Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
Diss, thx for an excellent explanation.
There is so much insistence on pneumonic plague, been trying to understand why they keep saying that when they've never showed a slide of Yersinia.
I think it is translation problem. The virus of H1N1 is capable of hitting deep in the lungs fast and turning lungs into dissolved bloody pulp. So it is a "plague" or "rash" or "epidemic" of hemorrhagic pneumonia. Still caused by the H1N1 flu virus.
Dissimulo, can I post your explanation on another forum attributed to your name?
There is so much insistence on pneumonic plague, been trying to understand why they keep saying that when they've never showed a slide of Yersinia.
I think it is translation problem. The virus of H1N1 is capable of hitting deep in the lungs fast and turning lungs into dissolved bloody pulp. So it is a "plague" or "rash" or "epidemic" of hemorrhagic pneumonia. Still caused by the H1N1 flu virus.
Dissimulo, can I post your explanation on another forum attributed to your name?
Be Well
may all be well
NS1's blog has a Glossary of terms which is an education in itself. Posted this on another thread, hope it's okay, want people to be able to find this and read it. Seems as though pretty soon it'll be hellzapoppin.
http://pf11-trends-and-issues.blogspot.com/2009/11/ukraine-expected-to-surpass-1-million.html
2009-11-06
Ukraine Expected to Surpass 1 Million Infections in Only 10 Days; the U.S. took 10 weeks.
A day in the Ukraine is like a week in the United States . . .
for Pandemic Influenza spread, that is.
On October 29, the Ukraine officially reported an uptick in Influenza-like-Illness (ILI) and a surge in hospitalisation. Concomitant deaths were reported from hemorrhagic pneumonia and four doctors were soon included in the fatality pool. The situation was recognised and immediate action was taken. Very early in the process, a nationwide alert was issued and the situation came under central management. In mere days, the healthcare infrastructure was stressed and supplies were exhausted. Resources have been redirected and escalations continue. Citizens are cutting their own clothing to make masks.
Tommorow will mark 10 days since that spark.
Based on the most recent daily case increases trending upward from 32% to 37%, we expect the Ukraine to surpass one million reported infections by Saturday afternoon, November 7, 2009. If the reporting trend continues with the weekend and the rates hold, just under 1.2 million cases will be cataloged. We cannot speculate if a report will be made publicly available on Saturday.
The official reports from the United States indicated that 1 million infections were reached in late June 2009, 10 weeks after the initial sparks of PF11 began to ignite the populations and burn through the major cities.
The Ukraine progression defines a new method for PF11. In the early phases of any catalyst event, all statistics are suspect, but the trending is often useful. Official numbers, upon some minor calculations, demonstrate that the daily increase in hospitalisation and deaths is rapidly climbing. Yesterday the increase in daily hospitalisations was 20% and today the increase is 37%, almost a doubling in day-to-day velocity. Yesterday the increase in deaths was 17% and today the increase is 42%, more than a doubling in day-to-day velocity.
Data reporting cut-offs are always at issue in these early inflows, but over the next two weeks an exacting pattern will be defined. Researchers must be given access to the raw data to determine causality and vectoring. A significant library of samples has been received and sequenced in a prestigious European coordinating laboratory. No data at this time has been released.
Timeliness is essential when a virus has marched to 1 million suspect cases in only 10 days in one country of less than 50 million people. 1 of 50 ill across 10 days. Clinical and environmental data matching the sequences will be critical to deduce and weight the parameters driving this regional escalation. Those who will writeoff these flashpoints as medical infrastructure failures and sub-standard housing problems endemic to the third world are not intellectual Titans. A pandemic is by definition unpredictable in phase shift timing and degree. To discount this Ukrainian surge in suffering to poverty is simply academically irresponsible in a pandemic era. These data points requested, if made public today, may save the lives of many in the area and exponentially more in the coming months around the globe.
The Ukraine is bordered by the countries of Russia, Belarus, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Moldova. The southern area of the Ukraine is involved in several bird migration routes being bordered by the Black Sea. Sequence examination of late summer specimens from these bordering areas and Eastern Europe demonstrates a trend equal to the United States with a significant Hydra Effect and substantial Antigenic Diversity delivered via Influenza Flux. US sequences certainly match and even advance the polymorphisms in Eastern Europe and these border nations.
Our studies clearly demonstrate a one to three week lag at maximum in transport time and acquistion into new geographic areas of trait-enhancing genetic material within ΣPF11. The stage is already set with similar sequences existing in most parts of the world. 225E has continued to penetrate in dozens of nations and is a factor in our present working hypothesis for this Ukraine spark.
If the Ukraine has variant genetic specimens, the information is primary to world health. Singapore was recently courageous enough to release 600 sequences that widely demonstrate movement in the reservoir. Only an immediate evaluation of the full dataset of Ukrainian sequences and matched clinical information will provide countries the opportunity to prepare if this incident does mark an inflection point or catalyst event in the pandemic.
Is the US only one cold winter week from the situation today in the Ukraine? Is the base of Pandemic 2.0 now widening in countries that have some point of susceptability? If so, the landing strips are presently in place for these new polymorphisms to land on the existing PF11 strains in every basic geographic area of the world.
We may all be one week from seeing a million new cases in our homelands or, worse yet, watching 2% of our population stricken in only 10 days. You do the math for your nation and then decide if we need data transparency and academic honesty.
For additional background on the clinical and epidemiological observational facts concerning Pandemic Influenza H1N1, please refer to the Table of Contents for PF11 Trends & Issues, Mid-Term
http://pf11-trends-and-issues.blogspot.com/2009/11/ukraine-expected-to-surpass-1-million.html
2009-11-06
Ukraine Expected to Surpass 1 Million Infections in Only 10 Days; the U.S. took 10 weeks.
A day in the Ukraine is like a week in the United States . . .
for Pandemic Influenza spread, that is.
On October 29, the Ukraine officially reported an uptick in Influenza-like-Illness (ILI) and a surge in hospitalisation. Concomitant deaths were reported from hemorrhagic pneumonia and four doctors were soon included in the fatality pool. The situation was recognised and immediate action was taken. Very early in the process, a nationwide alert was issued and the situation came under central management. In mere days, the healthcare infrastructure was stressed and supplies were exhausted. Resources have been redirected and escalations continue. Citizens are cutting their own clothing to make masks.
Tommorow will mark 10 days since that spark.
Based on the most recent daily case increases trending upward from 32% to 37%, we expect the Ukraine to surpass one million reported infections by Saturday afternoon, November 7, 2009. If the reporting trend continues with the weekend and the rates hold, just under 1.2 million cases will be cataloged. We cannot speculate if a report will be made publicly available on Saturday.
The official reports from the United States indicated that 1 million infections were reached in late June 2009, 10 weeks after the initial sparks of PF11 began to ignite the populations and burn through the major cities.
The Ukraine progression defines a new method for PF11. In the early phases of any catalyst event, all statistics are suspect, but the trending is often useful. Official numbers, upon some minor calculations, demonstrate that the daily increase in hospitalisation and deaths is rapidly climbing. Yesterday the increase in daily hospitalisations was 20% and today the increase is 37%, almost a doubling in day-to-day velocity. Yesterday the increase in deaths was 17% and today the increase is 42%, more than a doubling in day-to-day velocity.
Data reporting cut-offs are always at issue in these early inflows, but over the next two weeks an exacting pattern will be defined. Researchers must be given access to the raw data to determine causality and vectoring. A significant library of samples has been received and sequenced in a prestigious European coordinating laboratory. No data at this time has been released.
Timeliness is essential when a virus has marched to 1 million suspect cases in only 10 days in one country of less than 50 million people. 1 of 50 ill across 10 days. Clinical and environmental data matching the sequences will be critical to deduce and weight the parameters driving this regional escalation. Those who will writeoff these flashpoints as medical infrastructure failures and sub-standard housing problems endemic to the third world are not intellectual Titans. A pandemic is by definition unpredictable in phase shift timing and degree. To discount this Ukrainian surge in suffering to poverty is simply academically irresponsible in a pandemic era. These data points requested, if made public today, may save the lives of many in the area and exponentially more in the coming months around the globe.
The Ukraine is bordered by the countries of Russia, Belarus, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Moldova. The southern area of the Ukraine is involved in several bird migration routes being bordered by the Black Sea. Sequence examination of late summer specimens from these bordering areas and Eastern Europe demonstrates a trend equal to the United States with a significant Hydra Effect and substantial Antigenic Diversity delivered via Influenza Flux. US sequences certainly match and even advance the polymorphisms in Eastern Europe and these border nations.
Our studies clearly demonstrate a one to three week lag at maximum in transport time and acquistion into new geographic areas of trait-enhancing genetic material within ΣPF11. The stage is already set with similar sequences existing in most parts of the world. 225E has continued to penetrate in dozens of nations and is a factor in our present working hypothesis for this Ukraine spark.
If the Ukraine has variant genetic specimens, the information is primary to world health. Singapore was recently courageous enough to release 600 sequences that widely demonstrate movement in the reservoir. Only an immediate evaluation of the full dataset of Ukrainian sequences and matched clinical information will provide countries the opportunity to prepare if this incident does mark an inflection point or catalyst event in the pandemic.
Is the US only one cold winter week from the situation today in the Ukraine? Is the base of Pandemic 2.0 now widening in countries that have some point of susceptability? If so, the landing strips are presently in place for these new polymorphisms to land on the existing PF11 strains in every basic geographic area of the world.
We may all be one week from seeing a million new cases in our homelands or, worse yet, watching 2% of our population stricken in only 10 days. You do the math for your nation and then decide if we need data transparency and academic honesty.
For additional background on the clinical and epidemiological observational facts concerning Pandemic Influenza H1N1, please refer to the Table of Contents for PF11 Trends & Issues, Mid-Term
Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
Be Well, thank you so much for posting NS1's info here. It is a great and major contribution to the topic and I hope you can post all his other writings here too.
Be Well
may all be well
Thanks, Cascadians. He doesn't new articles as often as Monotreme - I shoudl post some of his, too. People interested should really check out NS1's blog because of his glossary.
Later today I'll post some more, but where - this thread is particularly for Ukraine. Maybe I'll start a new thread with their articles - do you think that's too many pandemic threads? That way if someone wants to read their articles, there's a dedicated thread.
I think this thing is going to blow soon.
ETA - I have to ask - been wondering for years - what is your picture? Indian corn with two little - tigers with hats?
Later today I'll post some more, but where - this thread is particularly for Ukraine. Maybe I'll start a new thread with their articles - do you think that's too many pandemic threads? That way if someone wants to read their articles, there's a dedicated thread.
I think this thing is going to blow soon.
ETA - I have to ask - been wondering for years - what is your picture? Indian corn with two little - tigers with hats?
Rex Jackson
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Some of you need to rethink your thoughts on this a little.
There are two types of bio attacks.
-Flu Type
-Localized
FLU TYPE
With a flu type bio attack, just about everyone gets exposed or hit sooner or later. Even being locked in a bunker 1 mile underground has its risks. Brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, cousins, grandparents, bosses, lovers, children, even worse, ONE OF THEIR PARTNERS IN CRIME creating an instant war. Even if there were a 'secret' vaccination the people at Baxter, the Illuminati, the elite are all at risk because no one ever knows if a vaccine works unless it is tried out on MANY people...and I'm sure the Builderbergs wont be standing in some line with their sleeves rolled up waiting to get a vaccine made by the Rothchilds...if you get my drift.
If a flu like bioweapon is used anywhere, its over. Get ready for nukes to fly. This means someone ran out of options. More like one of the Illuminati team players was cut off, about to be assassinated, and has nothing to loose so he released a bio attack hoping to get to his enemies before they get to him.
LOCALIZED
Localized would be more like Anthrax or Ricin. Both are natural to an extent, both have nearly an extremely high kill rate, but that type cannot travel around the globe potentially exposing everyone.
If this was America releasing it on Russia, or Russia releasing it on Ukraine, that too would be ridiculous seeing the plague/flu would ultimately find its way back to the US and kill millions here too. It may take a month, but it will eventually get here.
I can see only one of four things happening here, none warranting a vaccination.
The first is is Anthrax, RICIN or similar made into a cocktail, to be passed around be it airplane, water system. water tanker truck, or in the food chain. It will have the same effect as a lethal flu, but remain localized.
Next would be tainted drugs. Its a quick way of getting rid of the 'not so desirable' part of the community. But, seeing a good portion of the elite and Illuminati are into drug trafficking, they need their customers therefor I don't buy into that so much. Now maybe one drug lord wants to bump off another so they taint a large batch of stash knocking off a large chunk of the rival or clientele. Dangerous but possible. Cyanide could be used there. I believe tainted trugs was what killed the Mexicans at the start of the bogus 'swine flu' epidemic. In case some didn't notice, the 'hostage' crisis in Mexico stopped right after those 300 or so adults died. Also, after the initial 2-300 died, the urgency in death stopped. Yeah, flu doesn't take vacations.
Third would be a biologically engineered flu to resemble a very lethal flu in order to get people bent on getting vaccinated. Once vaccinated, no telling what the outcome. Fertility, paralysis, short term death, long term death, who knows.
Last would be that this is all a natural occurrence.
There are two types of bio attacks.
-Flu Type
-Localized
FLU TYPE
With a flu type bio attack, just about everyone gets exposed or hit sooner or later. Even being locked in a bunker 1 mile underground has its risks. Brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, cousins, grandparents, bosses, lovers, children, even worse, ONE OF THEIR PARTNERS IN CRIME creating an instant war. Even if there were a 'secret' vaccination the people at Baxter, the Illuminati, the elite are all at risk because no one ever knows if a vaccine works unless it is tried out on MANY people...and I'm sure the Builderbergs wont be standing in some line with their sleeves rolled up waiting to get a vaccine made by the Rothchilds...if you get my drift.
If a flu like bioweapon is used anywhere, its over. Get ready for nukes to fly. This means someone ran out of options. More like one of the Illuminati team players was cut off, about to be assassinated, and has nothing to loose so he released a bio attack hoping to get to his enemies before they get to him.
LOCALIZED
Localized would be more like Anthrax or Ricin. Both are natural to an extent, both have nearly an extremely high kill rate, but that type cannot travel around the globe potentially exposing everyone.
If this was America releasing it on Russia, or Russia releasing it on Ukraine, that too would be ridiculous seeing the plague/flu would ultimately find its way back to the US and kill millions here too. It may take a month, but it will eventually get here.
I can see only one of four things happening here, none warranting a vaccination.
The first is is Anthrax, RICIN or similar made into a cocktail, to be passed around be it airplane, water system. water tanker truck, or in the food chain. It will have the same effect as a lethal flu, but remain localized.
Next would be tainted drugs. Its a quick way of getting rid of the 'not so desirable' part of the community. But, seeing a good portion of the elite and Illuminati are into drug trafficking, they need their customers therefor I don't buy into that so much. Now maybe one drug lord wants to bump off another so they taint a large batch of stash knocking off a large chunk of the rival or clientele. Dangerous but possible. Cyanide could be used there. I believe tainted trugs was what killed the Mexicans at the start of the bogus 'swine flu' epidemic. In case some didn't notice, the 'hostage' crisis in Mexico stopped right after those 300 or so adults died. Also, after the initial 2-300 died, the urgency in death stopped. Yeah, flu doesn't take vacations.
Third would be a biologically engineered flu to resemble a very lethal flu in order to get people bent on getting vaccinated. Once vaccinated, no telling what the outcome. Fertility, paralysis, short term death, long term death, who knows.
Last would be that this is all a natural occurrence.
Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
Oh, the picture -- it's an ear of corn, representing thanksgiving, harvesting, plenty, stocking up -- and 2 funny squirrels with pilgrim hats on, showing self-reliance, farming, camradery, teamwork, good eating.
Originally my (ex) husband Ashton and I choose this as perfectly emblematic of our years-long collaborative efforts on TB2K. When he went bonkers and flew the coop, Lynn stepped in as my partner and the other squirrel, so still 2 Cascadians.
Lynn has a laptop PC she brings home every night and where she posts from, so it's no longer 2 ppl vying for keyboard access on 1 computer.
Plus we're about to buy a 27" (huge screen) iMac for a desktop so it's gonna get a whole lot easier to post by Thanksgiving
Originally my (ex) husband Ashton and I choose this as perfectly emblematic of our years-long collaborative efforts on TB2K. When he went bonkers and flew the coop, Lynn stepped in as my partner and the other squirrel, so still 2 Cascadians.
Lynn has a laptop PC she brings home every night and where she posts from, so it's no longer 2 ppl vying for keyboard access on 1 computer.
Plus we're about to buy a 27" (huge screen) iMac for a desktop so it's gonna get a whole lot easier to post by Thanksgiving
Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
Really pressed for time right now, don't have time to post all or scan all or even post properly, so follow this 1st link for a much better picture.
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and this goes for all my posts, slap stamp ...
http://fluboard.rhizalabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2474&start=800
and further
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"When, after five days of treatment at home I suffocation and sisters took me to hospital where doctors said:" NOW in the resuscitation! "
A resident of Transcarpathia, which attempt to treat the infection and earned pneumonia, fortunately, managed to save. Recently from the intensive care the woman was transferred to the pulmonology
Jaroslav Galasy "FACTS" (Uzhgorod)
One of the most severe complications of the current flu epidemic - is a rapidly developing pneumonia, which in the case of late delivery of skilled medical care may lead to death. Treatment of pneumonia takes an average of twenty days, so find a patient who already had the disease since the epidemic began, it was not easy.
Valeria Dolgosh from the village Storozhnitsa near Uzhgorod is still in hospital but her condition today is described as satisfactory. On Tuesday, the patient was transferred from the intensive care department of Uzhhorod Central City Clinical Hospital (TSGKB) in pulmonary. The woman, who last week brought back into intensive care at the wheelchair and which practically no longer able to breathe independently, from our experience how dangerous the disease can be treated at home.
"Breast oppressed, and I really got scared"
Valeria Mikhailovna husky voice, from time to time she begins to cough. It is evident that the words given to her easily.
- I have been a dispatcher at the railway station, - says Valery Dolgosh. - Three days at work, three - at home. A station is a large number of people, that's picked up from someone a virus. My last shift ended on Sunday 25 October, and I felt like no matter how just returned home. Night the temperature rose sharply - up to 40, then 40.3 and 41 degrees. I took aspirin and other anti-fever pills, which managed to reduce fever, but sleep was impossible. On Monday morning, seemed to become a little easier, and then came back shivering and fever up to 39 degrees. Trips her pills, but they only helped for a while, a maximum of two to three hours. From Tuesday promulgated suppressing anti syrups, such as Coldrex and koldflyu. They brought some relief, but also only for a while. And then it got really bad. Thursday all day, I still somehow persisted, even tried to cook something in the kitchen. And when the evening lay in bed, felt that not enough air. Turned from side to side, trying to find a comfortable position, but it did not help - chest pressed, I was choking, I really got scared.
She called her sister, said that to me really bad, and she took me to the regional infectious diseases hospital. Having X-rays and looking at pictures, the doctor rebuked me: "Why so long pulled? Disease has been neglected." But explain something I was not able to. Of the infectious diseases hospital I was taken to city hospital admitting department (it is located next door), where a physician after examination said: "Immediately in the intensive care unit. While I was taken in a wheelchair on the eighth floor, I could hardly breathe.
Valeria Mikhailovna again clears his throat and continues:
- Night on Thursday and the next day proved to be the most difficult. Breathe easier, because I put an oxygen mask, but always kept a high temperature, which is quite emaciated me. For a long time I was between sleeping and waking, and then started raving: I had visions of relatives - living and dead. It was very hard. But then the treatment has the result, and it was a relief. Only his head continued to ache badly. It seemed that I had absolutely no strength left.
I am very grateful to the doctors who were always nearby, watching every change in my body. Severe disease managed to win only because of their attention and professional actions ...
Since the beginning of his illness, I closely followed the news, saw how quickly the country spread flu epidemic and has repeatedly heard that in no case be engaged in self-medicate. And she did the opposite. You see, our people are not accustomed to, if something is sick, contact your doctor, do so only when it gets really bad. I never thought that the disease can develop so rapidly, that and reached out to resuscitation. Now tell my relatives and friends: "Do not take an example from me. Feel that something is wrong - immediately contact your doctor. It is better to be safe than to be in my situation ..."
"If any part of the world, even remote from the Ukraine, there are new strains of influenza, we also need to prepare for them"
- The patient was sent to intensive care because she had a pronounced inflammatory process, in which the body responded very hard, - said the head of the resuscitation unit Uzhgorod TSGKB Ivan Kalabiga. - The diagnosis was: acute right-sided middle and lower part pneumonia with respiratory failure. In the lungs, and other vital organs of the disease, fortunately, did not manage to catch, but the woman's condition was still serious.
What exactly caused Valerie Dolgosh pneumonia, we do not know. For laboratory research requires time, moreover, to compare blood on the day the patient and within a week of treatment. However, the course of the disease indicates that it most likely triggered the virus. The inflammatory process was particularly acute because the woman suffers from other chronic diseases.
Pneumonia affects the part of the lungs, which falls out of gas exchange, providing a breath. The body reacts to a high temperature, cough, respiratory failure. And this in turn causes other negative processes and complications, which, due to delays in treatment can cause death. Last week in Uzhgorod died of pneumonia 49-year-old man, who was involved in self-medicate at home and too late to a hospital. Our patient inflammation struck nearly two-thirds of the right lung. This is a lot, but nothing happened. Now female organism in the normal state, but it remains to be getting completely healthy in Pulmonology.
I want to say that seasonal viral diseases accompanied by and in the future will be accompanied by men. And if in some parts of the world, even remote from the Ukraine, there are new strains of influenza, under the present conditions of life, when the boundary is no longer under lock and key, to be ready, sooner or later, these diseases may arise among us. In the West, confronting epidemics through immunization. We have vaccinations to some extent compromised, but people should understand that other methods of protection for today no. Preventive vaccines for decades, have proven effective, so they can not refuse, it will lead to a much worse outcome. Another question that should probably pay more attention to quality and reliability of the vaccine ...
With regard to counter the current epidemic, then something fundamentally new, I will not say. To avoid contamination, be an elementary care of himself: she can not appear in crowded places, do not hesitate to use the gauze bandage, and when the first symptoms of the disease - not to engage in self-medicate, and to see a doctor ...
http://facts.kiev.ua/archive/2009-11-06 ... index.html
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It seems the virus that's on the loose in Ukraine has mutated into a more virulent form, says the World Heath Organisation (WHO). bne was commissioned to write a report on the bird flu virus a few years ago by the WHO and attended the scientific conferences in the Hague ahead of the political meetings to coordinate a response a few months later in Geneva. The scientists then warned that the danger of these viruses was not the current form, which can kill though isn't particularly lethal, but the fact that this family of "animal" viruses are very unstable and can easily mutate into more contagious and deadly forms; in order to jump across the species divide, the virus has to be almost by definition unstable if it is to be able to adapt itself to attack first an avian or porcine host and then move into humans. Once in humans, the virus continues to adapt and while the avian version never changed into a form that did much damage, the porcine virus seems to have mutated into a more contagious form in Ukraine, albeit not particularly deadly yet.
I heard this before, somewhere
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/52041/
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I understand the number of infections and deaths and how rapidly they are occurring have the World concerned and I'm guessing the WHO looks at this as a trend which would lead to a very bad situation.
The issue I see with that is the way this virus has began to trend that way in previous outbreaks but then fallen off sharply (Mexico, Argentina, etc).
I can't say for sure it will do this in Ukraine also but am I wrong to see this as creating a period of bad forecasting each time? What is it about this virus that causes it to behave this way?
(changed trending data to "forecasting")
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All viral infections trace as peaks. The virus continues to s[pread, leading to new cases until there is enough herd immunity in the area to limit further infections, and then the infections begin to decline.
There tends to be more deaths early because the patient does respond to treatment (anti-virals and/or respirators) and initially patients don't realize how dangerous the virus is and don't seek treatment until it is too late, so more die.
In Ukraine the number of cases is rising very quickly, raising concerns that the peak will be much bigger, creating more infections in deaths. If this is due to a chnage in the virus, this scenario will be played out across the northern hemisphere in the next few months.
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and this goes for all my posts, slap stamp ...
http://fluboard.rhizalabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2474&start=800
and further
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"When, after five days of treatment at home I suffocation and sisters took me to hospital where doctors said:" NOW in the resuscitation! "
A resident of Transcarpathia, which attempt to treat the infection and earned pneumonia, fortunately, managed to save. Recently from the intensive care the woman was transferred to the pulmonology
Jaroslav Galasy "FACTS" (Uzhgorod)
One of the most severe complications of the current flu epidemic - is a rapidly developing pneumonia, which in the case of late delivery of skilled medical care may lead to death. Treatment of pneumonia takes an average of twenty days, so find a patient who already had the disease since the epidemic began, it was not easy.
Valeria Dolgosh from the village Storozhnitsa near Uzhgorod is still in hospital but her condition today is described as satisfactory. On Tuesday, the patient was transferred from the intensive care department of Uzhhorod Central City Clinical Hospital (TSGKB) in pulmonary. The woman, who last week brought back into intensive care at the wheelchair and which practically no longer able to breathe independently, from our experience how dangerous the disease can be treated at home.
"Breast oppressed, and I really got scared"
Valeria Mikhailovna husky voice, from time to time she begins to cough. It is evident that the words given to her easily.
- I have been a dispatcher at the railway station, - says Valery Dolgosh. - Three days at work, three - at home. A station is a large number of people, that's picked up from someone a virus. My last shift ended on Sunday 25 October, and I felt like no matter how just returned home. Night the temperature rose sharply - up to 40, then 40.3 and 41 degrees. I took aspirin and other anti-fever pills, which managed to reduce fever, but sleep was impossible. On Monday morning, seemed to become a little easier, and then came back shivering and fever up to 39 degrees. Trips her pills, but they only helped for a while, a maximum of two to three hours. From Tuesday promulgated suppressing anti syrups, such as Coldrex and koldflyu. They brought some relief, but also only for a while. And then it got really bad. Thursday all day, I still somehow persisted, even tried to cook something in the kitchen. And when the evening lay in bed, felt that not enough air. Turned from side to side, trying to find a comfortable position, but it did not help - chest pressed, I was choking, I really got scared.
She called her sister, said that to me really bad, and she took me to the regional infectious diseases hospital. Having X-rays and looking at pictures, the doctor rebuked me: "Why so long pulled? Disease has been neglected." But explain something I was not able to. Of the infectious diseases hospital I was taken to city hospital admitting department (it is located next door), where a physician after examination said: "Immediately in the intensive care unit. While I was taken in a wheelchair on the eighth floor, I could hardly breathe.
Valeria Mikhailovna again clears his throat and continues:
- Night on Thursday and the next day proved to be the most difficult. Breathe easier, because I put an oxygen mask, but always kept a high temperature, which is quite emaciated me. For a long time I was between sleeping and waking, and then started raving: I had visions of relatives - living and dead. It was very hard. But then the treatment has the result, and it was a relief. Only his head continued to ache badly. It seemed that I had absolutely no strength left.
I am very grateful to the doctors who were always nearby, watching every change in my body. Severe disease managed to win only because of their attention and professional actions ...
Since the beginning of his illness, I closely followed the news, saw how quickly the country spread flu epidemic and has repeatedly heard that in no case be engaged in self-medicate. And she did the opposite. You see, our people are not accustomed to, if something is sick, contact your doctor, do so only when it gets really bad. I never thought that the disease can develop so rapidly, that and reached out to resuscitation. Now tell my relatives and friends: "Do not take an example from me. Feel that something is wrong - immediately contact your doctor. It is better to be safe than to be in my situation ..."
"If any part of the world, even remote from the Ukraine, there are new strains of influenza, we also need to prepare for them"
- The patient was sent to intensive care because she had a pronounced inflammatory process, in which the body responded very hard, - said the head of the resuscitation unit Uzhgorod TSGKB Ivan Kalabiga. - The diagnosis was: acute right-sided middle and lower part pneumonia with respiratory failure. In the lungs, and other vital organs of the disease, fortunately, did not manage to catch, but the woman's condition was still serious.
What exactly caused Valerie Dolgosh pneumonia, we do not know. For laboratory research requires time, moreover, to compare blood on the day the patient and within a week of treatment. However, the course of the disease indicates that it most likely triggered the virus. The inflammatory process was particularly acute because the woman suffers from other chronic diseases.
Pneumonia affects the part of the lungs, which falls out of gas exchange, providing a breath. The body reacts to a high temperature, cough, respiratory failure. And this in turn causes other negative processes and complications, which, due to delays in treatment can cause death. Last week in Uzhgorod died of pneumonia 49-year-old man, who was involved in self-medicate at home and too late to a hospital. Our patient inflammation struck nearly two-thirds of the right lung. This is a lot, but nothing happened. Now female organism in the normal state, but it remains to be getting completely healthy in Pulmonology.
I want to say that seasonal viral diseases accompanied by and in the future will be accompanied by men. And if in some parts of the world, even remote from the Ukraine, there are new strains of influenza, under the present conditions of life, when the boundary is no longer under lock and key, to be ready, sooner or later, these diseases may arise among us. In the West, confronting epidemics through immunization. We have vaccinations to some extent compromised, but people should understand that other methods of protection for today no. Preventive vaccines for decades, have proven effective, so they can not refuse, it will lead to a much worse outcome. Another question that should probably pay more attention to quality and reliability of the vaccine ...
With regard to counter the current epidemic, then something fundamentally new, I will not say. To avoid contamination, be an elementary care of himself: she can not appear in crowded places, do not hesitate to use the gauze bandage, and when the first symptoms of the disease - not to engage in self-medicate, and to see a doctor ...
http://facts.kiev.ua/archive/2009-11-06 ... index.html
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It seems the virus that's on the loose in Ukraine has mutated into a more virulent form, says the World Heath Organisation (WHO). bne was commissioned to write a report on the bird flu virus a few years ago by the WHO and attended the scientific conferences in the Hague ahead of the political meetings to coordinate a response a few months later in Geneva. The scientists then warned that the danger of these viruses was not the current form, which can kill though isn't particularly lethal, but the fact that this family of "animal" viruses are very unstable and can easily mutate into more contagious and deadly forms; in order to jump across the species divide, the virus has to be almost by definition unstable if it is to be able to adapt itself to attack first an avian or porcine host and then move into humans. Once in humans, the virus continues to adapt and while the avian version never changed into a form that did much damage, the porcine virus seems to have mutated into a more contagious form in Ukraine, albeit not particularly deadly yet.
I heard this before, somewhere
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/52041/
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I understand the number of infections and deaths and how rapidly they are occurring have the World concerned and I'm guessing the WHO looks at this as a trend which would lead to a very bad situation.
The issue I see with that is the way this virus has began to trend that way in previous outbreaks but then fallen off sharply (Mexico, Argentina, etc).
I can't say for sure it will do this in Ukraine also but am I wrong to see this as creating a period of bad forecasting each time? What is it about this virus that causes it to behave this way?
(changed trending data to "forecasting")
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All viral infections trace as peaks. The virus continues to s[pread, leading to new cases until there is enough herd immunity in the area to limit further infections, and then the infections begin to decline.
There tends to be more deaths early because the patient does respond to treatment (anti-virals and/or respirators) and initially patients don't realize how dangerous the virus is and don't seek treatment until it is too late, so more die.
In Ukraine the number of cases is rising very quickly, raising concerns that the peak will be much bigger, creating more infections in deaths. If this is due to a chnage in the virus, this scenario will be played out across the northern hemisphere in the next few months.
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Thanks, but I know the difference between a virus and a bacterium. Both H1N1 and this plague bacterium appear to be getting into people's lungs, and what says there can't be some kind of synergy between the two, with H1N1 doing something to make the lungs more susceptible to having the plague bacterium (from the vaccine?) settle in the lungs? Then people start hacking and spreading the pneumonic plague around ALONG WITH H1N1. Perhaps they are travelling together as it were in some kind of lethal combination, a 1-2 punch. Plague bacterium would then be an "adjuvant" of sorts, adjuvanting death from H1N1.
Hansa44
Justine Case
I don't know much how things work, but I do know with myself (and it's happened more than once) I would get the flu and the next thing I know coughing would start and by the time I'd go to a doctor he'd be very upset at me and I could swear he had said it developed into a bacterial infection in my lungs. I'd be given strong antibiotics and that ususually resolved the proplem.
(p.s. I could also swear I wrote this exact same thing several months ago.
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Synergy and mutation are different cases. Synergy could certainly occur, in that either plague or influenza would weaken the body and make it easier to contract the other condition. Someone infected with both would, of course, spread them both.
That said, there doesn't appear to be any evidence of plague coming out of Ukraine. It seems more and more likely that was just hysteria and/or mistranslation.
Hansa44
Justine Case
In Sept. Interpol conducted an exercise on the spreading of a plague by terrorists. (Ukraine was included)
http://www.interpol.int/Public/BioTerrorism/tabletop/default.asp
International Bioterrorism Tabletop Exercise
In September 2009, senior law enforcement officials, health care professionals and experts from international organizations joined their forces to confront a chilling crisis – the plague had just been unleashed on their countries by unknown evildoers.
A fictional scenario with a serious aim
Fortunately, this terrifying situation was a scenario under control, and the civilian authorities were all participants in a Tabletop Exercise on Preventing Bioterrorism hosted by INTERPOL. This exercise simulated a global bioterrorism attack and its aftermath. Participants in the Black Death scenario were faced with a fictional, intentional plague attack involving countries from their region, with the exercise designed to assist them in identifying critical co-operation and co-ordination issues which could hinder a quick and successful response to such an attack in real life.
The idea behind this exercise, the third in a series organized by INTERPOL, has been described by the Organization's Secretary General, Ronald K. Noble, as “helping focus our joint understanding of the role and responsibility of each of us – police, health care professionals, experts – in response to a bioterrorism incident, as well as identifying possible gaps or redundancies so that we can draw lessons from them.”
Inter-agency co-operation in Central and Eastern Europe
Organized by the INTERPOL Bioterrorism Unit, this third edition of the event took place from 29-30 September in Warsaw, Poland. Participants in the workshop numbered 27 from six Central and Eastern European countries (Belarus, Czech Republic, Finland, Poland, Slovakia, Ukraine), as well as 15 participants from international organizations such as Europol, the UN Office for Disarmament Affairs (UNODA), the World Health Organization (WHO), the European Centre for Disease Control, the European Commission (Directorate General for Health and Consumer Affairs and Directorate General for Justice, Freedom and Security), the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS).
A wide range of INTERPOL initiatives
The tabletop exercise is the latest in a series of initiatives launched by INTERPOL since the creation of its Bioterrorism Prevention programme. INTERPOL has worked ceaselessly since 2005 to heighten its member countries’ awareness of the dangers of bioterrorism and to enhance their preparedness for a bioterrorist attack. The Bioterrorism Prevention Programme has co-ordinated a series of events, starting with the Global Conference on Preventing Bioterrorism in March 2005; regional workshops in Africa, South America, Europe and Asia; train-the-trainer sessions all over the world; and practical tabletop exercises such as the one outlined above.
http://www.interpol.int/Public/BioTerrorism/tabletop/default.asp
International Bioterrorism Tabletop Exercise
In September 2009, senior law enforcement officials, health care professionals and experts from international organizations joined their forces to confront a chilling crisis – the plague had just been unleashed on their countries by unknown evildoers.
A fictional scenario with a serious aim
Fortunately, this terrifying situation was a scenario under control, and the civilian authorities were all participants in a Tabletop Exercise on Preventing Bioterrorism hosted by INTERPOL. This exercise simulated a global bioterrorism attack and its aftermath. Participants in the Black Death scenario were faced with a fictional, intentional plague attack involving countries from their region, with the exercise designed to assist them in identifying critical co-operation and co-ordination issues which could hinder a quick and successful response to such an attack in real life.
The idea behind this exercise, the third in a series organized by INTERPOL, has been described by the Organization's Secretary General, Ronald K. Noble, as “helping focus our joint understanding of the role and responsibility of each of us – police, health care professionals, experts – in response to a bioterrorism incident, as well as identifying possible gaps or redundancies so that we can draw lessons from them.”
Inter-agency co-operation in Central and Eastern Europe
Organized by the INTERPOL Bioterrorism Unit, this third edition of the event took place from 29-30 September in Warsaw, Poland. Participants in the workshop numbered 27 from six Central and Eastern European countries (Belarus, Czech Republic, Finland, Poland, Slovakia, Ukraine), as well as 15 participants from international organizations such as Europol, the UN Office for Disarmament Affairs (UNODA), the World Health Organization (WHO), the European Centre for Disease Control, the European Commission (Directorate General for Health and Consumer Affairs and Directorate General for Justice, Freedom and Security), the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe and the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS).
A wide range of INTERPOL initiatives
The tabletop exercise is the latest in a series of initiatives launched by INTERPOL since the creation of its Bioterrorism Prevention programme. INTERPOL has worked ceaselessly since 2005 to heighten its member countries’ awareness of the dangers of bioterrorism and to enhance their preparedness for a bioterrorist attack. The Bioterrorism Prevention Programme has co-ordinated a series of events, starting with the Global Conference on Preventing Bioterrorism in March 2005; regional workshops in Africa, South America, Europe and Asia; train-the-trainer sessions all over the world; and practical tabletop exercises such as the one outlined above.
Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
http://fluboard.rhizalabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2474&start=810
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BTW, here is some stats from Ukraine from 20 October 2009 regarding the number of ill people with flu or sore throat symptoms
According to the Ukrainian Center of influenza and acute respiratory infections of Health of Ukraine, at 42 weeks, in all 10 control city center morbidity of influenza and ARI were on neepidemichnomu level.
Total per week 45,177 people ill, hospitalized 262 people (including children - 237). Value per 10 thousand population is 46.69.
As you can see there was no sudden jump from 2 cases of H1N1 Ukraine to hundreds of thousands at the end of October, it was an steady rise of the curve.
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From Thursday's Supreme Court of Ukraine resolution "On the situation in connection with epidemic influenza and pandemic influenza A (N1N1), and immediate measures against its spread."
Set on November 1, 2009 medical staff during the period of work for the elimination of epidemics and outbreaks of communicable diseases, as well as in cells of extremely dangerous and dangerous infectious diseases monthly supplement of up to four salaries of such employees and medical staff fee specified by the intensity operation and expansion of health services.
In the period up to December 1, 2009 to provide financial assistance in the amount of 100 000 UAH (~15 000 USD). families of health workers who died of diseases that occurred during the execution of their duties to provide medical care during a flu epidemic, and also decide on such assistance to the families of the death of health workers due to illness that occurred during the execution of their duties to provide medical care during a flu epidemic.
Common official salary for health workers in Ukraine is around 1500 UAH, or 200$.
All Ukrainian medical persons who are at the frontier, dealing with disease, are heroes, I can compare their feat with firemans at 1986 at Chernobyl disaster.
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Flutrends also tracks the rise
http://www.google.org/flutrends/ua/
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There is the new (week 44) EuroFlu report (http://www.euroflu.org/index.php) available.
Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said on Friday that his government won't buy vaccines for swine flu that have not been properly tested or from producers who won't take responsibility for possible side effects.
Tusk told reporters that vaccine producers were pressuring governments to buy, but were also demanding that all responsibility and compensation for possible negative side effects fall upon government shoulders.
I think the situation is completly underestimated in Poland. And the big problem is, as I have written earlier in this thread, the incompetence. The polish health departament vice-minister is invoking... the wackadoodlers web sites over the Internet. I have seen that in main polish TV news.
Anyway, in the radio they stopped to repeat that the flu cases situation in Poland is better than in the past years. There are even some reports about increased ILI consulatations rate at some cities. They still continue to report only about 200 of novel A/H1N1 cases. And the prime minister said that we have medical resources (Tamiflu in the stores?) to treat 2 000 000 people (Poland have 38 000 000 population - so it seems that we have antivirals for 5% only).
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This where the first official numbers on 13 Oct 2009
According to the Ukrainian Center of influenza and acute respiratory infections, "Health of Ukraine, at 41 weeks, in all 10 control city center morbidity of influenza and ARI were on epidemiclevel.
Total per week 42,383 people ill, hospitalized 251 per person (including children - 235). 43,8. Score of 10 thousand is 43.8.
In general, all the statistical index recorded a slight increase of incidence (8.19%), compared with the previous week.
In the children's age groups the incidence of influenza and ARI in general to 10 cities, compared with last week increased by 8.19% among children 0-14 years.
There is increased incidence in Ukraine (3.12%), Simferopol (6.77%), Kyiv (10.37%) winery (5.54%), Dnipropetrovsk (13.11%), Donetsk (26.18% ), Odessa (2.81%), Chernigov (3.83%) and Kharkiv (0.55%) along with a tendency to decrease in Zaporozhye (-2.25%) compared to the previous week.
As of 12.10.2009 the situation in the country is stable.
Press Service of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine
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Is this the first confirmed case ?
23.09.09r. SES to Kiev from state institutions, "Institute of Epidemiology and Infectious Diseases. L. Gromashevsky Academy of Sciences of Ukraine received information that 18.09.09r. tested by PCR influenza A viruses from patient SP.
Influenza A viruses isolated from virologic laboratory Kiev SES in response hemahlyutynatsiyi not given high titles, that was weakly virulent. Transit material was investigated in imunohromatografichnyh test with weakly positive result (hardly visible band - antigen influenza A).
Then the virus was more passages for raising titles, namely: 16.09.09 - in the reaction hemahlyutynatsiyi in the first test tube - 1:8 titer in the second - 1:2.
Given that the virus was slabovirulentnyy material for confirmation was sent to a laboratory of Virology and AIDS in Central SES Health of Ukraine, which conducted the study material (culture broth) of patient S., on suspicion of variant pandemic strain of influenza virus type A (N1N1).
In accordance with the accompanying sample documents, the virus titer was 1:2, ie, during the confirmation studies using the PCR confirmed the identity of the selected strain of influenza virus of type A (N1N1).
Patient S., born 04.01.1970, citizen of Ukraine, temporarily living in Kiev, rents an apartment in Kiev area, working in private enterprise. Place of residence - Kirovograd.
From 25.07.09 to 03.08.09r. In Istanbul, arrived in Bali via Singapore. Indonesia did not belong to the list of countries where registered cases of pandemic influenza A (N1N1). Among other visitors to Indonesia appeals for medical help was not.
Citizen S. ill 08.08.2009r. (39 temperature, dry cough, chills). I applied for assistance 10.08.09r. and admitted to the Kiev City Clinical Hospital № 7. On the x-ray study revealed pneumonia.
10.08.09р. KMKL moved to number 9, diagnosis: ARI, acute bronchitis, pravostostoronnya nyzhnodoleva plevropnevmoniya? The same day, according to the recommendations of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine, the selected material for virological investigations and sent to the virological laboratory of the city station.
11.08.09р. established clinical diagnosis of bronchitis.
Drawn to categorically insist 13.08.09r patient. in satisfactory condition. Diagnosis: COMMUNITY-ACQUIRED nyzhnodolova pneumonia. Respiratory failure serednovazhkyy course, recommended outpatient treatment. It was observed condition.
22.09.09р. 22.09.09r. examined by a doctor sent for repeat X-ray examination.
23.09.09р. 23.09.09r. conducted X-ray control: thickening of pulmonary pattern, root infiltration in the lungs, sent to consult a pulmonologist.
24.09.09р. 24.09.09r. - S. satisfactory health condition, the temperature is normal, complaints of sweating and weakness.
25.09.09р. 25.09.09r. consulted in pulmonology KMKL number 17, held a diagnosis made repeated swabs for laboratory research. Diagnosis: bronchitis. The patient's condition is satisfactory, is outpatient treatment.
Contacts with neglected, patients were not registered. In S. citizen apartment living one. Among the medical staff, employees virological laboratories, customs, border guards, contact other cases of influenza A (N1N1) is not registered.
In Kirovohrad, according to the patient and data Kirovograd oblSES, S. citizen in August and September did not come.
By last night, under the supervision of representatives of health and quarantine services at the state border (to enter Ukraine) 75 823 missing persons from the spread of influenza A (H1N1), of which the citizens of Ukraine - 36 611, foreign nationals - 39 212; including citizens of Mexico -0.
Results from 30/04 to 28/09/2009 was entered Ukraine 12 249 015, of which the citizens of Ukraine - 5 082 099, foreign nationals - 7 166 916, among them Mexican citizens - 195.
Strengthening anti-epidemic measures at airports and border, as well as monitoring the circulation of pathogens in Ukraine.
State Sanitary and Epidemiological Service of Ukraine continues anti activities of persons who arrive in Ukraine to countries in which the registered cases of influenza A (H1N1).
The situation is under control.
Press Service of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine
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Yes, I was also a bit surprised at the spread of the wakadoodle stories. Yesterday I did an interview on talkradio in Spain. They took a few call ins, and one was on pneumonic plague/martial law in Ukraine. The pneumonic plaque is absurd becasue the plague is caused by a bacterium and of course has nothing to do with H1N1. The caller acknowledged that he didn't know the difference between a virus ad a bacterium, and kept citing what he had read on the internet.
However, the interviewer also asked about the alleged Baxter lab and deliberate release, which again is utter nonsense. The vaccine version of H1N1 is eaily distinguished from the natuiral virus and would have represented "big" changes in 6 of the 8 genes and would be quite obvious.
WHO has already said there were NO big changes, so the deliberate release is nonsense (as are plane drops of a VIRUS).
However, the government decision to withhold vaccine from the country really is getting into criminal neglegence and should not be tolerated. The pandemic vaccine is a no brainer, and politicians blocking the vaccine should be thrown out of office ASAP (and indicted).
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State Sanitary and Epidemiological Service of Ukraine continues anti activities of persons who arrive in Ukraine to countries in which the registered cases of influenza A (H1N1).
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Ukraine is in SERIOUS need of a reality check. They have over 1 MILLION cases of H1N1 INSIDE their borders, and are worried about travelers bringing H1N1 INTO Ukraine!
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Vysne Nemecke, November 6 (TASR) - Slovakia has introduced stricter measures at its Ukrainian border due to the rampant flu outbreak there, Slovak Interior Minister Robert Kalinak said at the Vysne Nemecke (Kosice region) border crossing on Friday.
In accordance with the Schengen Agreement, Slovakia has the right to deny entry to any person suspected of being ill. As of Friday, every passenger crossing the border will need to undergo a medical inspection. "We're not only protecting the Slovak Republic, but as a transit country, we are protecting other European states as well," explained Kalinak.
If the Ukrainian situation – where more 80 people have recently died from flu – doesn't stabilise soon, Kalinak added that the Ministry will consider closing the nearby border crossing at Ubla (Presov region). Kalinak didn't even exclude the possibility of closing the crossing this weekend. "If Ubla gets shut down, the full range of preventive measures will apply to Vysne Nemecke," said Kalinak, adding that this would then be the sole road border-crossing. Currently, medical personnel at both border crossings are monitoring the health of every passenger.
Although the number of travellers has gone down recently, Kalinak still emphatically calls on Slovak citizens to postpone any visit to Ukraine for at least two-three weeks unless absolutely necessary. Kalinak also said that military doctors of the Defence Ministry will be working with the border guards, as the medical service needs to be available round the clock. According to Kalinak, the border villages have sufficient supplies of face masks. If needed, additional masks will be provided by the state.
Since Tuesday (November 3), the border crossing in Velke Slemence has been temporarily closed. Likewise, pedestrians and bicyclists are banned from crossing the border in Ubla. A similar regimen as for motorists crossing at Vysne Nemecke applies for train passengers coming to the country via Cierna nad Tisou.
http://www.tasr.sk/30.axd?k=20091106TBB00531
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From polish media (there is still huge disinformation here):
Ukraine: increased number of flu victims, 25 people died in a day
To 135 in Ukraine has increased the number of dead as a result of influenza and its complications. Only in the last day 25 people died - reported on Saturday, the Ukrainian Ministry of Health.
From October 30 announced the start of the epidemic became ill more than 871 thousand people, including more than 101 thousand cases of illness were recorded during the day.
Hospitals were sent to 39.9 thousand people, 317 people living on the branches of resuscitation.
Influenza epidemic, which initially covered only the west of the country now moves to the east.
In 14 districts the number of cases exceeded the threshold of epidemiological and 9 consecutive been coming to him. As the situation is stable only in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the districts mikołajowskim and chersońskim in southern Ukraine.
Apart from ordinary flu Ukrainians also suffer from influenza A/H1N1. According to data from Friday, a result 14 people have died so far, 32 people are infected.
Thats horrible. I'm tired from reading about "ordinary flu" all around in polish media. Maybe someone should write to polish governement or media? I tried to send citation from weekly CDC and EuroFlu reports (about virological subtyping) to media agencies, but it was ignored (I'm not surprised with it).
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BTW, here is some stats from Ukraine from 20 October 2009 regarding the number of ill people with flu or sore throat symptoms
According to the Ukrainian Center of influenza and acute respiratory infections of Health of Ukraine, at 42 weeks, in all 10 control city center morbidity of influenza and ARI were on neepidemichnomu level.
Total per week 45,177 people ill, hospitalized 262 people (including children - 237). Value per 10 thousand population is 46.69.
As you can see there was no sudden jump from 2 cases of H1N1 Ukraine to hundreds of thousands at the end of October, it was an steady rise of the curve.
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From Thursday's Supreme Court of Ukraine resolution "On the situation in connection with epidemic influenza and pandemic influenza A (N1N1), and immediate measures against its spread."
Set on November 1, 2009 medical staff during the period of work for the elimination of epidemics and outbreaks of communicable diseases, as well as in cells of extremely dangerous and dangerous infectious diseases monthly supplement of up to four salaries of such employees and medical staff fee specified by the intensity operation and expansion of health services.
In the period up to December 1, 2009 to provide financial assistance in the amount of 100 000 UAH (~15 000 USD). families of health workers who died of diseases that occurred during the execution of their duties to provide medical care during a flu epidemic, and also decide on such assistance to the families of the death of health workers due to illness that occurred during the execution of their duties to provide medical care during a flu epidemic.
Common official salary for health workers in Ukraine is around 1500 UAH, or 200$.
All Ukrainian medical persons who are at the frontier, dealing with disease, are heroes, I can compare their feat with firemans at 1986 at Chernobyl disaster.
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Flutrends also tracks the rise
http://www.google.org/flutrends/ua/
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There is the new (week 44) EuroFlu report (http://www.euroflu.org/index.php) available.
Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said on Friday that his government won't buy vaccines for swine flu that have not been properly tested or from producers who won't take responsibility for possible side effects.
Tusk told reporters that vaccine producers were pressuring governments to buy, but were also demanding that all responsibility and compensation for possible negative side effects fall upon government shoulders.
I think the situation is completly underestimated in Poland. And the big problem is, as I have written earlier in this thread, the incompetence. The polish health departament vice-minister is invoking... the wackadoodlers web sites over the Internet. I have seen that in main polish TV news.
Anyway, in the radio they stopped to repeat that the flu cases situation in Poland is better than in the past years. There are even some reports about increased ILI consulatations rate at some cities. They still continue to report only about 200 of novel A/H1N1 cases. And the prime minister said that we have medical resources (Tamiflu in the stores?) to treat 2 000 000 people (Poland have 38 000 000 population - so it seems that we have antivirals for 5% only).
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This where the first official numbers on 13 Oct 2009
According to the Ukrainian Center of influenza and acute respiratory infections, "Health of Ukraine, at 41 weeks, in all 10 control city center morbidity of influenza and ARI were on epidemiclevel.
Total per week 42,383 people ill, hospitalized 251 per person (including children - 235). 43,8. Score of 10 thousand is 43.8.
In general, all the statistical index recorded a slight increase of incidence (8.19%), compared with the previous week.
In the children's age groups the incidence of influenza and ARI in general to 10 cities, compared with last week increased by 8.19% among children 0-14 years.
There is increased incidence in Ukraine (3.12%), Simferopol (6.77%), Kyiv (10.37%) winery (5.54%), Dnipropetrovsk (13.11%), Donetsk (26.18% ), Odessa (2.81%), Chernigov (3.83%) and Kharkiv (0.55%) along with a tendency to decrease in Zaporozhye (-2.25%) compared to the previous week.
As of 12.10.2009 the situation in the country is stable.
Press Service of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine
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Is this the first confirmed case ?
23.09.09r. SES to Kiev from state institutions, "Institute of Epidemiology and Infectious Diseases. L. Gromashevsky Academy of Sciences of Ukraine received information that 18.09.09r. tested by PCR influenza A viruses from patient SP.
Influenza A viruses isolated from virologic laboratory Kiev SES in response hemahlyutynatsiyi not given high titles, that was weakly virulent. Transit material was investigated in imunohromatografichnyh test with weakly positive result (hardly visible band - antigen influenza A).
Then the virus was more passages for raising titles, namely: 16.09.09 - in the reaction hemahlyutynatsiyi in the first test tube - 1:8 titer in the second - 1:2.
Given that the virus was slabovirulentnyy material for confirmation was sent to a laboratory of Virology and AIDS in Central SES Health of Ukraine, which conducted the study material (culture broth) of patient S., on suspicion of variant pandemic strain of influenza virus type A (N1N1).
In accordance with the accompanying sample documents, the virus titer was 1:2, ie, during the confirmation studies using the PCR confirmed the identity of the selected strain of influenza virus of type A (N1N1).
Patient S., born 04.01.1970, citizen of Ukraine, temporarily living in Kiev, rents an apartment in Kiev area, working in private enterprise. Place of residence - Kirovograd.
From 25.07.09 to 03.08.09r. In Istanbul, arrived in Bali via Singapore. Indonesia did not belong to the list of countries where registered cases of pandemic influenza A (N1N1). Among other visitors to Indonesia appeals for medical help was not.
Citizen S. ill 08.08.2009r. (39 temperature, dry cough, chills). I applied for assistance 10.08.09r. and admitted to the Kiev City Clinical Hospital № 7. On the x-ray study revealed pneumonia.
10.08.09р. KMKL moved to number 9, diagnosis: ARI, acute bronchitis, pravostostoronnya nyzhnodoleva plevropnevmoniya? The same day, according to the recommendations of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine, the selected material for virological investigations and sent to the virological laboratory of the city station.
11.08.09р. established clinical diagnosis of bronchitis.
Drawn to categorically insist 13.08.09r patient. in satisfactory condition. Diagnosis: COMMUNITY-ACQUIRED nyzhnodolova pneumonia. Respiratory failure serednovazhkyy course, recommended outpatient treatment. It was observed condition.
22.09.09р. 22.09.09r. examined by a doctor sent for repeat X-ray examination.
23.09.09р. 23.09.09r. conducted X-ray control: thickening of pulmonary pattern, root infiltration in the lungs, sent to consult a pulmonologist.
24.09.09р. 24.09.09r. - S. satisfactory health condition, the temperature is normal, complaints of sweating and weakness.
25.09.09р. 25.09.09r. consulted in pulmonology KMKL number 17, held a diagnosis made repeated swabs for laboratory research. Diagnosis: bronchitis. The patient's condition is satisfactory, is outpatient treatment.
Contacts with neglected, patients were not registered. In S. citizen apartment living one. Among the medical staff, employees virological laboratories, customs, border guards, contact other cases of influenza A (N1N1) is not registered.
In Kirovohrad, according to the patient and data Kirovograd oblSES, S. citizen in August and September did not come.
By last night, under the supervision of representatives of health and quarantine services at the state border (to enter Ukraine) 75 823 missing persons from the spread of influenza A (H1N1), of which the citizens of Ukraine - 36 611, foreign nationals - 39 212; including citizens of Mexico -0.
Results from 30/04 to 28/09/2009 was entered Ukraine 12 249 015, of which the citizens of Ukraine - 5 082 099, foreign nationals - 7 166 916, among them Mexican citizens - 195.
Strengthening anti-epidemic measures at airports and border, as well as monitoring the circulation of pathogens in Ukraine.
State Sanitary and Epidemiological Service of Ukraine continues anti activities of persons who arrive in Ukraine to countries in which the registered cases of influenza A (H1N1).
The situation is under control.
Press Service of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine
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Yes, I was also a bit surprised at the spread of the wakadoodle stories. Yesterday I did an interview on talkradio in Spain. They took a few call ins, and one was on pneumonic plague/martial law in Ukraine. The pneumonic plaque is absurd becasue the plague is caused by a bacterium and of course has nothing to do with H1N1. The caller acknowledged that he didn't know the difference between a virus ad a bacterium, and kept citing what he had read on the internet.
However, the interviewer also asked about the alleged Baxter lab and deliberate release, which again is utter nonsense. The vaccine version of H1N1 is eaily distinguished from the natuiral virus and would have represented "big" changes in 6 of the 8 genes and would be quite obvious.
WHO has already said there were NO big changes, so the deliberate release is nonsense (as are plane drops of a VIRUS).
However, the government decision to withhold vaccine from the country really is getting into criminal neglegence and should not be tolerated. The pandemic vaccine is a no brainer, and politicians blocking the vaccine should be thrown out of office ASAP (and indicted).
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State Sanitary and Epidemiological Service of Ukraine continues anti activities of persons who arrive in Ukraine to countries in which the registered cases of influenza A (H1N1).
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Ukraine is in SERIOUS need of a reality check. They have over 1 MILLION cases of H1N1 INSIDE their borders, and are worried about travelers bringing H1N1 INTO Ukraine!
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Vysne Nemecke, November 6 (TASR) - Slovakia has introduced stricter measures at its Ukrainian border due to the rampant flu outbreak there, Slovak Interior Minister Robert Kalinak said at the Vysne Nemecke (Kosice region) border crossing on Friday.
In accordance with the Schengen Agreement, Slovakia has the right to deny entry to any person suspected of being ill. As of Friday, every passenger crossing the border will need to undergo a medical inspection. "We're not only protecting the Slovak Republic, but as a transit country, we are protecting other European states as well," explained Kalinak.
If the Ukrainian situation – where more 80 people have recently died from flu – doesn't stabilise soon, Kalinak added that the Ministry will consider closing the nearby border crossing at Ubla (Presov region). Kalinak didn't even exclude the possibility of closing the crossing this weekend. "If Ubla gets shut down, the full range of preventive measures will apply to Vysne Nemecke," said Kalinak, adding that this would then be the sole road border-crossing. Currently, medical personnel at both border crossings are monitoring the health of every passenger.
Although the number of travellers has gone down recently, Kalinak still emphatically calls on Slovak citizens to postpone any visit to Ukraine for at least two-three weeks unless absolutely necessary. Kalinak also said that military doctors of the Defence Ministry will be working with the border guards, as the medical service needs to be available round the clock. According to Kalinak, the border villages have sufficient supplies of face masks. If needed, additional masks will be provided by the state.
Since Tuesday (November 3), the border crossing in Velke Slemence has been temporarily closed. Likewise, pedestrians and bicyclists are banned from crossing the border in Ubla. A similar regimen as for motorists crossing at Vysne Nemecke applies for train passengers coming to the country via Cierna nad Tisou.
http://www.tasr.sk/30.axd?k=20091106TBB00531
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From polish media (there is still huge disinformation here):
Ukraine: increased number of flu victims, 25 people died in a day
To 135 in Ukraine has increased the number of dead as a result of influenza and its complications. Only in the last day 25 people died - reported on Saturday, the Ukrainian Ministry of Health.
From October 30 announced the start of the epidemic became ill more than 871 thousand people, including more than 101 thousand cases of illness were recorded during the day.
Hospitals were sent to 39.9 thousand people, 317 people living on the branches of resuscitation.
Influenza epidemic, which initially covered only the west of the country now moves to the east.
In 14 districts the number of cases exceeded the threshold of epidemiological and 9 consecutive been coming to him. As the situation is stable only in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the districts mikołajowskim and chersońskim in southern Ukraine.
Apart from ordinary flu Ukrainians also suffer from influenza A/H1N1. According to data from Friday, a result 14 people have died so far, 32 people are infected.
Thats horrible. I'm tired from reading about "ordinary flu" all around in polish media. Maybe someone should write to polish governement or media? I tried to send citation from weekly CDC and EuroFlu reports (about virological subtyping) to media agencies, but it was ignored (I'm not surprised with it).
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Yes, this is how the game is played. They use confirmed cases, and all other cases are ABSW (anything but swine flu).
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But why would they all ignore science so blatantly? It makes them look like fools and arouses suspicion. While it is true that most of the world's population is scientifically illiterate, still some glaring inconsistencies are becoming apparent and that only feeds into the whackadoodlery.
If there was honesty, transparency, intelligence and adherence to science, the world would not be wasting so much time and lives would be saved.
On the one hand you have innumerable WHO and CDC articles stating emphatically for many weeks now that H1N1 is the only global influenza circulating, and then you have these 'official' government fools directly contradicting that.
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Actually, the fools are everywhere. In the US they are school administrators who maintain that the 20-50% absenteeism is due to a "perfect storm" of diseases that includes swine flu, but involves other etiologies, including seasonal flu.
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Please. The only infection that produces absenteeism in schools above 10% is flu. There is NO perfect storm. This is spreading swine flu. Strep is a secondary infection of swine flu and there are MANY mild cases that present as colds, allergies, bronchitis, or other URI's. Your MD is just guessing (no data required).
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It is a common misunderstanding among my friends that there are more flus circulating than swine flu. I have seen "health professionals", esp. govt. health officials at the state level, give the same misinformation and fail to mention that if you have the flu, you have the swine flu.
Heck, I even heard Sanja Gupta on Larry King this week insist to a mother whose child died of the flu that it was probably a secondary infection of some kind that killed her (like what is common in seasonal flu). He seemed completely unaware that this flu often kills due to viral pnuemonia; i.e. the virus getting deep into the lungs and turning it to a bloody pulp.
If "professionals" in the US get it wrong, how can we expect any different from Eastern Europe??
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The swine flu situation really couldn't be clearer. I have read report after report from school officials in the US citing seasonal flu as a contributor to the absenteeism, when in fact the level of seasonal flu was less than 1 % and going down. They all make the same ridiculous statements about "perfect storms" leading to 20-30% abstenteeism. They acknkoewedge swine flu, but then throw in a couple more, like stomach flu, colds, allergies, or bronchitis, all of which match swine flu symptoms.
I can also speak from personal experience. My high school aged daughter was PCR confirmed, as was I. My middle school aged daughter also was infected but wasn't tested because the diagnosis was obvious and she was prescribed Tamiflu. Same for my wife who was prescribed Tamiflu over the phone. However, we all had different combinations of symptoms which could easily be called any of the above misdaignosis.
The sequence of events assocaited with my daughter in high school was most revealing. Her school already had had two waves. At the start of the school year a VERY high percentage of students had a headache, sore throat, and runny nose but no fever. Consequently they stayed in school and didn't get tested. My daughter plays soccer and the team was so sick that practice has cancelled, which has NEVER happened previously. Most got better and then the second wave struck. This time many also had fever and many also had nausea and vomitting, leading to high absenteeism and visits to Drs. The school then came out with a notice about students testing positive for influenza A (i.e. swine flu). A week later another notice came out saying that H1N1 had been confirmed in all six schools (high school, middle school, and 4 elementary). The announcement was no surprise because absenteeism was in double didgits and one day the school nurse was sending home stidents with fever at a rate of 5 per hour.
Shortly therafter my daughter developed a cough. She went to school but after a few days woke up and said she was too sick to go to school. She slept in for a few hours and when she woke up she had a fever of 101.1. We called the Dr and took her in that afternoon. She told the nurse that in addition to the cough and fever she felt weak and tired, had chills, and had a headache. I thought it was pretty obvious that she had swine flu.
When the Dr came in he said she had a "possible case" of swine flu. I asked why he only thought she was "possible" in view of her symptoms, absenteeism, and confirmed H1N1 at her school. He responded by saying that he had done PCR on 10 patients in a row who had "classical swine flu symptoms" and all tested NEGATIVE indicating they just had URI. I said his office had a swabbing problem, which wasn't well received. He did have the nurse take a swab, but wouldn't prescribe Tamiflu. He did say to call if her symptoms worsened.
The next morning her temp went up to 103.1. She was also light headed and dizzy even though we had started her on Tamiflu as soon as we returned from the Dr a day earlier (using Tamiflu we had ontained previously). We called to update the Dr and state that we were not confortable without Tamiflu treatment, which was then called in by the Dr.
That afternoon I went to my daughter's soccer game while she rested (I keep the book on the team). the other parent who volunteered for that game was an MD and she was coughing. I commented on the cough and asked her what she thought she had. She said she had the same thing her daughter had. I asked if she had done any testing of patients and she said she had positives in her patients and staff. I then asked why she didn't think she had swine flu and she thought symptoms lasted longer than a couple of days. I noted that many are only sick for a few days and said she probably had swine flu. I asked if she was taking anything and she admited that she and her daughter were on tamiflu. I then mentioned the 10 "negatives" on patients with "classical swine flu symptoms" and she immediatley said they weren't swabbing correctly. For a proper nasopharygeal swab, the swab has to go deep and into the cavity at the back of the nose.
After the game I developed a dry cough. I didn't think much of it until the next day, when the cough was deeper and I couldn't stop. I would cough 10 times in a row, stop for a minute, and then start over. After doing this for several hours, I started Tamiflu, even though the cough was my only symptom. That night I developed a low grade fever (below 100), had chills, night sweats, and felt much better in the morning. I still had the low grade fever when I woke up, but it was gone in an hour. My cough improved and I saw the Dr the next day even though I felt much better (I really just wanted to refill by Tamiflu stock). I was also swabbed, but expected to be negative since I had already been on tamiflu for 3 days by the time the swab was taken.
Much to my surprise, my daughter and I both tested positive for H1N1. Prior to developing a fever, she would have been a "bronchitis" patient. For me, other than the cough, all other symptoms were present for less than 8 hours. Outside of the very short time I would have been a bronchitis patient also.
My younger daughter then devloped a cough and fever and missed three days of school. She would have been the one most likely to be diagnosed as swine flu. My wife then developed the cough, sore throat and headache. She never had a fever and was diagnosed as swine flu over the phone, because of the three other cases in the house.
A month later my older daughter and I developed symptoms again, She had a cough, sore throat, and ear ache. I had a cough, horrible headache for two days, fatigue, and chills, but no fever. I was diagnosed as swine flu but not retested - the testing center was overwhelmed and asked MD's NOT to send samples from non-hospitalized patients.
The above detail provides some insight into the variety of symptoms within one household (which probably involved the same virus). The MD who diagnosed my older daughter as "possible swine flu" was heavily influenced by bad test result. The 10 patients had swine flu but were told they were PCR negative and had URI (of unknown etiology).
Bottom line is simple. In areas where swine flu is rampant, there will be MANY different presentations of the same virus. The school outbreaks with double digits absenteeism have widespread H1N1. Some will have no fever and the population will present with a range of symptoms, but the symptoms are NOT due to a perfect storm of converging etiologies, as indicated by school administrators.
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Dr Niman, your personal story shows a salient fact that many others are observing:
Ppl are getting H1N1 more than 1x. Some have experienced swine flu several times since last spring.
They are asking, "Why am I now not immune? How many times can I get this flu?"
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It also appears that the re-infections are worse than the original. I would have agreed with the "mild flu" theme the first time. My family had all the flu symptoms but they were mild. I saw no need to seek Tamiflu for anyone in my family. The second time was far, far worse and made me a vaccine believer. I wish I understood why it was worse; we should have had some antibodies. I pray not to see a third and have no patience for the "mild flu" reteric.
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One does not have to look far to see that fools are everywhere inside CDC.
CDC bureaucrats are "slow on the uptake" : (1) No fever => No pH1N1 => Stay in classroom. (2). Symptom free for 24 hours => go back to classroom to share the virus with your classmates.
Do you think these CDC bureaucrats are "honest, transparent, intelligent and adhering to science"?
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Thank you for sharing your story!! I found it very enlightening; it explains a lot about what has been happening in our family. My kids have missed more school this semester than they have all the other years they have been in school combined; I keep wondering why we can't catch a break...they get well then weeks later are sick again. Things make more sense in the context of repeated infection of the same virus.
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Our family followed the same pattern. Anecdotally, the third time was pretty mild for my son, so maybe there is hope of increased immunity. Of note: every time we have been sick with what I have assumed was H1N1, we had no fevers...but lower than normal body temps. That seems to be the biggest indication for it in our family.
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If you listen to some of the Dr. Niman's interview by Jeff Rense, you will recall that Dr. Niman stated that the viral load is getting higher as this pandemic progresses. The hypothesis is that if your initial viral load is high enough, even if the virus stay the same, you chance of re-infection is very high. Furthermore, with higher viral load, the symptom will be worse.
When time permits, I will go through some of Dr. Niman's interview MP3 file and time-mark the relevant conversation on the subject of re-infection.
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The huge numbers of people in govt and private sector responding to the conspiracies is a symptom of a wider distrust and concern about the direction of governments all over the World combined with a medium like the Internet which allows the alternative news to propagate.
Unfortunately the Baxter incident (real incident, wrong conclusions as to what it means) combined with the WHO and CDC lying, fudging stats, withholding sequences lends credibility to conspiracies which would probably be far less effective. People do not trust vaccines, the companies that make them and now government. All that suspicion and distrust makes the wack a doodle stuff more palatable and believable.
I'm not opposed to conspiracy, evil acts do take place but I demand a level of proof most of them cannot stand up to. I don't know why people cannot see that this entire flu conspiracy would be impossible due to the huge numbers of scientists and researchers who would have to be complicit. Anyone who examines a vaccine or virus sample would have to be willing to be part of a conspiracy which would threaten them and their families - it just isn't possible.
When government officials begin subscribing to this, either to appease the public or because they are just as foolish we step into the realm of manslaughter, IMO. There is way too much ignorance leading to people dying to stand back and watch quietly.
My contact who left Ukraine the other day said they were using body temperature as the screening test. As usual there will be no containment what so ever of the Ukraine pathogen. Let us all hope it is not a mutation.
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All indications are that the situation is as bad in Belarus as it is in the Ukraine. Unfortunately, Belarus is much more closed than Ukraine, so reports will be late in coming. You can find some information on the real situation by looking at the comments of people to news stories on this site: http://www.charter97.org/en/news/
Examples:
Three days ago two of my friends died. The diagnosis of pneumonia as a complication of influenza. A friend of a friend they knew and did not communicate. Everyone and tridtsatka nebylo. Died in hospital on the second day, as ill. (protective masks are not worn!)
Seriously ill - 5 days to recover and then to the machine - on to infect others !!!!!! 5 days otbolel and went to work and died at work - in the end of Statistics death by natural causes !!!!!!! not influenza
On our street, this week died 4 young people, the cause of death in hospitals called different, but not H1N1. Four people on our street and then only those who are familiar to me. Such a density of chance? Is this OCR? What is the situation reminds me of Chernobyl. I want to believe that the epidemic we do not, sorry for the people that can not be together, acquaintances or strangers.
How many of you know one person, much less more than one person, who has died of swine flu?
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Yes, this is how the game is played. They use confirmed cases, and all other cases are ABSW (anything but swine flu).
------------
But why would they all ignore science so blatantly? It makes them look like fools and arouses suspicion. While it is true that most of the world's population is scientifically illiterate, still some glaring inconsistencies are becoming apparent and that only feeds into the whackadoodlery.
If there was honesty, transparency, intelligence and adherence to science, the world would not be wasting so much time and lives would be saved.
On the one hand you have innumerable WHO and CDC articles stating emphatically for many weeks now that H1N1 is the only global influenza circulating, and then you have these 'official' government fools directly contradicting that.
-------------
Actually, the fools are everywhere. In the US they are school administrators who maintain that the 20-50% absenteeism is due to a "perfect storm" of diseases that includes swine flu, but involves other etiologies, including seasonal flu.
-------------
Please. The only infection that produces absenteeism in schools above 10% is flu. There is NO perfect storm. This is spreading swine flu. Strep is a secondary infection of swine flu and there are MANY mild cases that present as colds, allergies, bronchitis, or other URI's. Your MD is just guessing (no data required).
-------------
It is a common misunderstanding among my friends that there are more flus circulating than swine flu. I have seen "health professionals", esp. govt. health officials at the state level, give the same misinformation and fail to mention that if you have the flu, you have the swine flu.
Heck, I even heard Sanja Gupta on Larry King this week insist to a mother whose child died of the flu that it was probably a secondary infection of some kind that killed her (like what is common in seasonal flu). He seemed completely unaware that this flu often kills due to viral pnuemonia; i.e. the virus getting deep into the lungs and turning it to a bloody pulp.
If "professionals" in the US get it wrong, how can we expect any different from Eastern Europe??
---------------
The swine flu situation really couldn't be clearer. I have read report after report from school officials in the US citing seasonal flu as a contributor to the absenteeism, when in fact the level of seasonal flu was less than 1 % and going down. They all make the same ridiculous statements about "perfect storms" leading to 20-30% abstenteeism. They acknkoewedge swine flu, but then throw in a couple more, like stomach flu, colds, allergies, or bronchitis, all of which match swine flu symptoms.
I can also speak from personal experience. My high school aged daughter was PCR confirmed, as was I. My middle school aged daughter also was infected but wasn't tested because the diagnosis was obvious and she was prescribed Tamiflu. Same for my wife who was prescribed Tamiflu over the phone. However, we all had different combinations of symptoms which could easily be called any of the above misdaignosis.
The sequence of events assocaited with my daughter in high school was most revealing. Her school already had had two waves. At the start of the school year a VERY high percentage of students had a headache, sore throat, and runny nose but no fever. Consequently they stayed in school and didn't get tested. My daughter plays soccer and the team was so sick that practice has cancelled, which has NEVER happened previously. Most got better and then the second wave struck. This time many also had fever and many also had nausea and vomitting, leading to high absenteeism and visits to Drs. The school then came out with a notice about students testing positive for influenza A (i.e. swine flu). A week later another notice came out saying that H1N1 had been confirmed in all six schools (high school, middle school, and 4 elementary). The announcement was no surprise because absenteeism was in double didgits and one day the school nurse was sending home stidents with fever at a rate of 5 per hour.
Shortly therafter my daughter developed a cough. She went to school but after a few days woke up and said she was too sick to go to school. She slept in for a few hours and when she woke up she had a fever of 101.1. We called the Dr and took her in that afternoon. She told the nurse that in addition to the cough and fever she felt weak and tired, had chills, and had a headache. I thought it was pretty obvious that she had swine flu.
When the Dr came in he said she had a "possible case" of swine flu. I asked why he only thought she was "possible" in view of her symptoms, absenteeism, and confirmed H1N1 at her school. He responded by saying that he had done PCR on 10 patients in a row who had "classical swine flu symptoms" and all tested NEGATIVE indicating they just had URI. I said his office had a swabbing problem, which wasn't well received. He did have the nurse take a swab, but wouldn't prescribe Tamiflu. He did say to call if her symptoms worsened.
The next morning her temp went up to 103.1. She was also light headed and dizzy even though we had started her on Tamiflu as soon as we returned from the Dr a day earlier (using Tamiflu we had ontained previously). We called to update the Dr and state that we were not confortable without Tamiflu treatment, which was then called in by the Dr.
That afternoon I went to my daughter's soccer game while she rested (I keep the book on the team). the other parent who volunteered for that game was an MD and she was coughing. I commented on the cough and asked her what she thought she had. She said she had the same thing her daughter had. I asked if she had done any testing of patients and she said she had positives in her patients and staff. I then asked why she didn't think she had swine flu and she thought symptoms lasted longer than a couple of days. I noted that many are only sick for a few days and said she probably had swine flu. I asked if she was taking anything and she admited that she and her daughter were on tamiflu. I then mentioned the 10 "negatives" on patients with "classical swine flu symptoms" and she immediatley said they weren't swabbing correctly. For a proper nasopharygeal swab, the swab has to go deep and into the cavity at the back of the nose.
After the game I developed a dry cough. I didn't think much of it until the next day, when the cough was deeper and I couldn't stop. I would cough 10 times in a row, stop for a minute, and then start over. After doing this for several hours, I started Tamiflu, even though the cough was my only symptom. That night I developed a low grade fever (below 100), had chills, night sweats, and felt much better in the morning. I still had the low grade fever when I woke up, but it was gone in an hour. My cough improved and I saw the Dr the next day even though I felt much better (I really just wanted to refill by Tamiflu stock). I was also swabbed, but expected to be negative since I had already been on tamiflu for 3 days by the time the swab was taken.
Much to my surprise, my daughter and I both tested positive for H1N1. Prior to developing a fever, she would have been a "bronchitis" patient. For me, other than the cough, all other symptoms were present for less than 8 hours. Outside of the very short time I would have been a bronchitis patient also.
My younger daughter then devloped a cough and fever and missed three days of school. She would have been the one most likely to be diagnosed as swine flu. My wife then developed the cough, sore throat and headache. She never had a fever and was diagnosed as swine flu over the phone, because of the three other cases in the house.
A month later my older daughter and I developed symptoms again, She had a cough, sore throat, and ear ache. I had a cough, horrible headache for two days, fatigue, and chills, but no fever. I was diagnosed as swine flu but not retested - the testing center was overwhelmed and asked MD's NOT to send samples from non-hospitalized patients.
The above detail provides some insight into the variety of symptoms within one household (which probably involved the same virus). The MD who diagnosed my older daughter as "possible swine flu" was heavily influenced by bad test result. The 10 patients had swine flu but were told they were PCR negative and had URI (of unknown etiology).
Bottom line is simple. In areas where swine flu is rampant, there will be MANY different presentations of the same virus. The school outbreaks with double digits absenteeism have widespread H1N1. Some will have no fever and the population will present with a range of symptoms, but the symptoms are NOT due to a perfect storm of converging etiologies, as indicated by school administrators.
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Dr Niman, your personal story shows a salient fact that many others are observing:
Ppl are getting H1N1 more than 1x. Some have experienced swine flu several times since last spring.
They are asking, "Why am I now not immune? How many times can I get this flu?"
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It also appears that the re-infections are worse than the original. I would have agreed with the "mild flu" theme the first time. My family had all the flu symptoms but they were mild. I saw no need to seek Tamiflu for anyone in my family. The second time was far, far worse and made me a vaccine believer. I wish I understood why it was worse; we should have had some antibodies. I pray not to see a third and have no patience for the "mild flu" reteric.
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One does not have to look far to see that fools are everywhere inside CDC.
CDC bureaucrats are "slow on the uptake" : (1) No fever => No pH1N1 => Stay in classroom. (2). Symptom free for 24 hours => go back to classroom to share the virus with your classmates.
Do you think these CDC bureaucrats are "honest, transparent, intelligent and adhering to science"?
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Thank you for sharing your story!! I found it very enlightening; it explains a lot about what has been happening in our family. My kids have missed more school this semester than they have all the other years they have been in school combined; I keep wondering why we can't catch a break...they get well then weeks later are sick again. Things make more sense in the context of repeated infection of the same virus.
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Our family followed the same pattern. Anecdotally, the third time was pretty mild for my son, so maybe there is hope of increased immunity. Of note: every time we have been sick with what I have assumed was H1N1, we had no fevers...but lower than normal body temps. That seems to be the biggest indication for it in our family.
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If you listen to some of the Dr. Niman's interview by Jeff Rense, you will recall that Dr. Niman stated that the viral load is getting higher as this pandemic progresses. The hypothesis is that if your initial viral load is high enough, even if the virus stay the same, you chance of re-infection is very high. Furthermore, with higher viral load, the symptom will be worse.
When time permits, I will go through some of Dr. Niman's interview MP3 file and time-mark the relevant conversation on the subject of re-infection.
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The huge numbers of people in govt and private sector responding to the conspiracies is a symptom of a wider distrust and concern about the direction of governments all over the World combined with a medium like the Internet which allows the alternative news to propagate.
Unfortunately the Baxter incident (real incident, wrong conclusions as to what it means) combined with the WHO and CDC lying, fudging stats, withholding sequences lends credibility to conspiracies which would probably be far less effective. People do not trust vaccines, the companies that make them and now government. All that suspicion and distrust makes the wack a doodle stuff more palatable and believable.
I'm not opposed to conspiracy, evil acts do take place but I demand a level of proof most of them cannot stand up to. I don't know why people cannot see that this entire flu conspiracy would be impossible due to the huge numbers of scientists and researchers who would have to be complicit. Anyone who examines a vaccine or virus sample would have to be willing to be part of a conspiracy which would threaten them and their families - it just isn't possible.
When government officials begin subscribing to this, either to appease the public or because they are just as foolish we step into the realm of manslaughter, IMO. There is way too much ignorance leading to people dying to stand back and watch quietly.
My contact who left Ukraine the other day said they were using body temperature as the screening test. As usual there will be no containment what so ever of the Ukraine pathogen. Let us all hope it is not a mutation.
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All indications are that the situation is as bad in Belarus as it is in the Ukraine. Unfortunately, Belarus is much more closed than Ukraine, so reports will be late in coming. You can find some information on the real situation by looking at the comments of people to news stories on this site: http://www.charter97.org/en/news/
Examples:
Three days ago two of my friends died. The diagnosis of pneumonia as a complication of influenza. A friend of a friend they knew and did not communicate. Everyone and tridtsatka nebylo. Died in hospital on the second day, as ill. (protective masks are not worn!)
Seriously ill - 5 days to recover and then to the machine - on to infect others !!!!!! 5 days otbolel and went to work and died at work - in the end of Statistics death by natural causes !!!!!!! not influenza
On our street, this week died 4 young people, the cause of death in hospitals called different, but not H1N1. Four people on our street and then only those who are familiar to me. Such a density of chance? Is this OCR? What is the situation reminds me of Chernobyl. I want to believe that the epidemic we do not, sorry for the people that can not be together, acquaintances or strangers.
How many of you know one person, much less more than one person, who has died of swine flu?
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Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
http://fluboard.rhizalabs.com/forum...id=576c93b7bf919972d5c3dba817cc6577&start=850
and forward
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Here is the map of Ukraine split into regions that highlights what particular regions had crossed already the level of 200 ill per 10,000 population in order for the state of epidemic to be announced
http://flu-ua.narod.ru/
The map is Russian language and unfortunately cannot be translated into English via Google Translate, but gives the idea.
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That´s impossible, becourse the experts there are talking about an H1N1 VIRUS and an Pneumonic Plague is an BACTERIUM.
When there was an Pneumonic Plague, theu would sealed the region, becourse of the high deadly rate of that kind of an plague. They would quarantined the hole region. China did this last August, thousands of people got in quarantaine and many medical experts where send to the region.
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The possibility of an mutation of the pandemic h1n1 2009 is greater, but don´t forget that Ukraine had and has a bad health system, manny suplies they woulkd need for an pandemic h1n1 they where not there.
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The mortality from pneumonic plague is MUCH higher than the levels in Ukraine. H1N1 has been lab confirmed at many loocation and the descriptions of fatal cases match H1N1 cases reported elsewhere (including the United States and Mexico).
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Cases up to 936804. Deaths up to 144. Hospitalized to 43762
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Map is obsolete. There are no "safe" oblast remaining. ALL are above or approaching epidemic threshold in today's update.
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and forward
" ....
Here is the map of Ukraine split into regions that highlights what particular regions had crossed already the level of 200 ill per 10,000 population in order for the state of epidemic to be announced
http://flu-ua.narod.ru/
The map is Russian language and unfortunately cannot be translated into English via Google Translate, but gives the idea.
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That´s impossible, becourse the experts there are talking about an H1N1 VIRUS and an Pneumonic Plague is an BACTERIUM.
When there was an Pneumonic Plague, theu would sealed the region, becourse of the high deadly rate of that kind of an plague. They would quarantined the hole region. China did this last August, thousands of people got in quarantaine and many medical experts where send to the region.
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The possibility of an mutation of the pandemic h1n1 2009 is greater, but don´t forget that Ukraine had and has a bad health system, manny suplies they woulkd need for an pandemic h1n1 they where not there.
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The mortality from pneumonic plague is MUCH higher than the levels in Ukraine. H1N1 has been lab confirmed at many loocation and the descriptions of fatal cases match H1N1 cases reported elsewhere (including the United States and Mexico).
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Cases up to 936804. Deaths up to 144. Hospitalized to 43762
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Map is obsolete. There are no "safe" oblast remaining. ALL are above or approaching epidemic threshold in today's update.
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Hansa44
Justine Case
I would suspect that by this time next week we will know a whole lot more. In fact, I have heard more than once, that just like Mexico, this whole thing will die down and it will be gotten under control again.
Unfortunately tho' many are saying this could just be the beginning of the storm. The whole point of much of this is to use fear to get people to take the vaccine. And not all vaccine will be harmful. Just some of it. And if you look at the Ukraine and Mexico last April, that's probably all it will take is a small amount of something to get this going full steam.
Dr.Niman is very smart when it comes to these viruses and such, but unfortunately that seems to be all he knows. He does not want to believe there are some very dark things going on on this planet so he puts down those who watch carefully outside the box. That's fine. That's his world and I certainly would not attempt to change it.
But I do not put all my faith in what he says either.
Unfortunately tho' many are saying this could just be the beginning of the storm. The whole point of much of this is to use fear to get people to take the vaccine. And not all vaccine will be harmful. Just some of it. And if you look at the Ukraine and Mexico last April, that's probably all it will take is a small amount of something to get this going full steam.
Dr.Niman is very smart when it comes to these viruses and such, but unfortunately that seems to be all he knows. He does not want to believe there are some very dark things going on on this planet so he puts down those who watch carefully outside the box. That's fine. That's his world and I certainly would not attempt to change it.
But I do not put all my faith in what he says either.
Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
Yep, Hansa, the pattern is when the authorities finally get control over an outbreak, ie managing the info and hiding the counts, it "dies down" ie gets covered up. Apparently that is SOP, standard operating procedure. That sucks. But here at least we have herbal recommendations that actually work, since other avenues seem to not be helpful at this time.
I certainly don't put all my faith in Niman but I sincerely thank God for him, pray for him and am learning a lot from him. He doesn't have to be warm and fuzzy; he just has to be timely and correct in his speciality, the pure science of flu sequencing. It's one vital component we need to try to figure out what is happening.
I certainly don't put all my faith in Niman but I sincerely thank God for him, pray for him and am learning a lot from him. He doesn't have to be warm and fuzzy; he just has to be timely and correct in his speciality, the pure science of flu sequencing. It's one vital component we need to try to figure out what is happening.
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
THERE IS NO COMMON SENSE OR LOGIC to giving "vaccinations" against swine flu if people are getting swine flu REPEATEDLY and even worse cases the second or third time.
IF CONTRACTING THE DISEASE ITSELF DOES NOT RENDER ANY IMMUNITY THEN VACCINATING CANNOT RENDER ANY BENEFIT WHATSOEVER. To do so is preposterous, illogical and totally against common sense. A vaccination is supposed to give you an extremely light exposure to the disease so your body can make antibodies and recognize the disease and react faster if exposed again. If actually contracting the disease doesn't do that then a vaccination sure can't. IT IS JUST A MONEY MAKING SCAM.
IF CONTRACTING THE DISEASE ITSELF DOES NOT RENDER ANY IMMUNITY THEN VACCINATING CANNOT RENDER ANY BENEFIT WHATSOEVER. To do so is preposterous, illogical and totally against common sense. A vaccination is supposed to give you an extremely light exposure to the disease so your body can make antibodies and recognize the disease and react faster if exposed again. If actually contracting the disease doesn't do that then a vaccination sure can't. IT IS JUST A MONEY MAKING SCAM.
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
TODAYS NEWS ABOUT UKRAINE OUTBREAK:
Fair use for discussion/education purposes:
Slovakia tightens border with flu-hit Ukraine
07 Nov 2009 15:12:42 GMT
Source: Reuters
BRATISLAVA, Nov 7 (Reuters) - Slovakia said on Saturday it would close all but one road border crossing with Ukraine on Sunday because of Ukraine's flu epidemic.
Vysne Nemecke, the biggest checkpoint, will be the only one to stay open.
"The reason is the continuing worsening of the epidemic situation in Ukraine," Interior Minister Robert Kalinak told journalists. "This is intended to minimize any eventual outbreak of the disease."
Kalinak said the EU member state's decision was temporary and aimed to protect the bloc.
Doctors and hygienists will be stationed at the border to monitor passengers and have the powers to bar anyone suspected of being infected from entering the country.
Ukraine could delay a January presidential election until May next year because of its outbreak of H1N1 flu, which has killed more than 100 in recent weeks and infected more than 750,000 [ID:nL695938]. (Reporting by Martin Santa; editing by Andrew Roche)
Fair use for discussion/education purposes:
Slovakia tightens border with flu-hit Ukraine
07 Nov 2009 15:12:42 GMT
Source: Reuters
BRATISLAVA, Nov 7 (Reuters) - Slovakia said on Saturday it would close all but one road border crossing with Ukraine on Sunday because of Ukraine's flu epidemic.
Vysne Nemecke, the biggest checkpoint, will be the only one to stay open.
"The reason is the continuing worsening of the epidemic situation in Ukraine," Interior Minister Robert Kalinak told journalists. "This is intended to minimize any eventual outbreak of the disease."
Kalinak said the EU member state's decision was temporary and aimed to protect the bloc.
Doctors and hygienists will be stationed at the border to monitor passengers and have the powers to bar anyone suspected of being infected from entering the country.
Ukraine could delay a January presidential election until May next year because of its outbreak of H1N1 flu, which has killed more than 100 in recent weeks and infected more than 750,000 [ID:nL695938]. (Reporting by Martin Santa; editing by Andrew Roche)
Be Well
may all be well
http://monotreme1000.wordpress.com/
Hiding Bodies II – The California Story
Posted November 7, 2009 by monotreme1000
In my blog Hiding Bodies, * I described the CDC decision to stop reporting the number of deaths in each State. Further, they loosened the definition of what the states could report to the CDC. I predicted that this would result in loss of valuable information as States could decide for themselves what they did or did not report to the CDC. Unfortunately, I was right.
From the CDC Weekly 2009 Flu Media Briefing, October 20, 2009. Dr. Anne Schuchat.
We have 28 states that are reporting laboratory-confirmed deaths.
And how many people have died in the 22 states that aren’t reporting laboratory deaths?
Who knows? Certainly not the CDC.
What does this chaotic, free-for-all look like at the State level? Hint, it’s not pretty.
A student run team of investigative reporters associated with the University of Southern California Annenberg School for Communication have found disturbing evidence that some public health authorities are hiding bodies in California. They published their findings in their online news source, Neon Tommy [hat-tip, BeWell]
Who is dying of the swine flu? It’s a simple question, but the answer has been hard to come by: Many counties across California and the nation are refusing to grant public records requests for death certificates of H1N1 victims.
Death certificates can help the public see who is dying, and why, and help monitor the performance of health officials in responding to one of the most significant healthcare crises in decades.
“We’re finding that it is incredibly difficult nationwide for a variety of reasons to get the actual names of the people who have died of H1N1,” Lucy Dalglish, executive director of the Reporter’s Committee for the Freedom of the Press, said in a telephone interview last week.
Two counties — Los Angeles and Fresno — reversed previous denials and released death certificates of swine flu victims to Neon Tommy in recent weeks. Ten other California counties rejected public records requests: Alameda; Contra Costa; Marin; Napa; San Bernardino; San Diego; San Francisco; Santa Clara; Shasta and Sonoma.
This information was refused on the basis of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) which protects patients’ privacy. However, this law was intended to protect living patients from having their medical history from being disclosed by their physicians. It was not intended to block requests for death certificates, which are a matter of public record.
Dalglish, of the Reporter’s Committee for the Freedom of the Press, agrees that HIPAA is a red herring. “HIPAA is intended to apply to medical providers that exchange information electronically,” Dalglish said. “A state public records agency is not a medical provider. So the fact that [counties] would invoke a federal law saying it somehow governs their own state record-keeping ability is ludicrous.”
One of the results of Neon Tommy’s investigations is the finding that approximately half of the death certificates of people later determined to have died of pandemic flu did not have this listed as the cause of death. This isn’t just a matter of bookkeeping, it’s a matter of life and death. People who are not properly diagnosed can die from a lack of treatment.
Without detailed information on who has died from pandemic flu, it is difficult to discern patterns. For example, if people with Down’s Syndrome are not being diagnosed in time, is this because parents and doctors do not know that these people are at increased risk? If so, then a more aggressive education program could be launched.
There are reports of people who are dying with symptoms of pandemic flu but who are testing negative. What is being put on their death certificates? How many people are dying of this “mystery” disease? Is this the early wave of a new and more lethal virus?
Don’t ask the CDC. They have no idea. Don’t ask your State public authority. They have no idea. Don’t ask your County public health authority. They have no idea. And if you start to get severe symptoms but test negative, don’t ask your doctor what is killing you. Because he will have no idea.
*Link to that article from Sept 14, well worth the read:
http://monotreme1000.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/hiding-bodies/
Hiding Bodies II – The California Story
Posted November 7, 2009 by monotreme1000
In my blog Hiding Bodies, * I described the CDC decision to stop reporting the number of deaths in each State. Further, they loosened the definition of what the states could report to the CDC. I predicted that this would result in loss of valuable information as States could decide for themselves what they did or did not report to the CDC. Unfortunately, I was right.
From the CDC Weekly 2009 Flu Media Briefing, October 20, 2009. Dr. Anne Schuchat.
We have 28 states that are reporting laboratory-confirmed deaths.
And how many people have died in the 22 states that aren’t reporting laboratory deaths?
Who knows? Certainly not the CDC.
What does this chaotic, free-for-all look like at the State level? Hint, it’s not pretty.
A student run team of investigative reporters associated with the University of Southern California Annenberg School for Communication have found disturbing evidence that some public health authorities are hiding bodies in California. They published their findings in their online news source, Neon Tommy [hat-tip, BeWell]
Who is dying of the swine flu? It’s a simple question, but the answer has been hard to come by: Many counties across California and the nation are refusing to grant public records requests for death certificates of H1N1 victims.
Death certificates can help the public see who is dying, and why, and help monitor the performance of health officials in responding to one of the most significant healthcare crises in decades.
“We’re finding that it is incredibly difficult nationwide for a variety of reasons to get the actual names of the people who have died of H1N1,” Lucy Dalglish, executive director of the Reporter’s Committee for the Freedom of the Press, said in a telephone interview last week.
Two counties — Los Angeles and Fresno — reversed previous denials and released death certificates of swine flu victims to Neon Tommy in recent weeks. Ten other California counties rejected public records requests: Alameda; Contra Costa; Marin; Napa; San Bernardino; San Diego; San Francisco; Santa Clara; Shasta and Sonoma.
This information was refused on the basis of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) which protects patients’ privacy. However, this law was intended to protect living patients from having their medical history from being disclosed by their physicians. It was not intended to block requests for death certificates, which are a matter of public record.
Dalglish, of the Reporter’s Committee for the Freedom of the Press, agrees that HIPAA is a red herring. “HIPAA is intended to apply to medical providers that exchange information electronically,” Dalglish said. “A state public records agency is not a medical provider. So the fact that [counties] would invoke a federal law saying it somehow governs their own state record-keeping ability is ludicrous.”
One of the results of Neon Tommy’s investigations is the finding that approximately half of the death certificates of people later determined to have died of pandemic flu did not have this listed as the cause of death. This isn’t just a matter of bookkeeping, it’s a matter of life and death. People who are not properly diagnosed can die from a lack of treatment.
Without detailed information on who has died from pandemic flu, it is difficult to discern patterns. For example, if people with Down’s Syndrome are not being diagnosed in time, is this because parents and doctors do not know that these people are at increased risk? If so, then a more aggressive education program could be launched.
There are reports of people who are dying with symptoms of pandemic flu but who are testing negative. What is being put on their death certificates? How many people are dying of this “mystery” disease? Is this the early wave of a new and more lethal virus?
Don’t ask the CDC. They have no idea. Don’t ask your State public authority. They have no idea. Don’t ask your County public health authority. They have no idea. And if you start to get severe symptoms but test negative, don’t ask your doctor what is killing you. Because he will have no idea.
*Link to that article from Sept 14, well worth the read:
http://monotreme1000.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/hiding-bodies/
dissimulo
Membership Revoked
First, there is not yet solid evidence that people are getting reinfections. If people are getting reinfections, there are a number of reasons why that may be occurring, with different ramifications. But, until this is really confirmed, it would not make sense to assume vaccinations have no value. Even if it is confirmed, it will still be likely that prior exposure weakens follow-on infections, in which case vaccination is still a good idea.
That said, your understanding of how vaccines work is not quite right. A vaccination is supposed to give you very concentrated exposure to a weakened or inactivated form of the virus - not a light exposure. It is quite likely that someone with a very efficient immune system would develop a lesser response to the small concentration of pathogen picked up naturally than to the much more concentrated vaccine. Developing an immune response is about concentration of antigen, not the strength of the pathogen. Large exposure to a weak pathogen produces a better immune response than small exposure to a strong pathogen (unless, of course, the strong pathogen produces high concentrations by virtue of its strength). So, a vaccine definitely can produce a superior immune response to a natural infection. Viral or bacterial load is a big determinant in this. The more virus or bacteria you initially pick up, the faster the infection grows and the strong the immune response. If you get just a minimum dose of an infectious agent, your immune response may not be significant enough to prevent reinfection if you later are exposed to a much larger dose.
ainitfunny
THERE IS NO COMMON SENSE OR LOGIC to giving "vaccinations" against swine flu if people are getting swine flu REPEATEDLY and even worse cases the second or third time.
IF CONTRACTING THE DISEASE ITSELF DOES NOT RENDER ANY IMMUNITY THEN VACCINATING CANNOT RENDER ANY BENEFIT WHATSOEVER. To do so is preposterous, illogical and totally against common sense. A vaccination is supposed to give you an extremely light exposure to the disease so your body can make antibodies and recognize the disease and react faster if exposed again. If actually contracting the disease doesn't do that then a vaccination sure can't. IT IS JUST A MONEY MAKING SCAM.
Completely agree - the poison shots are all about control - the marijuana / anti drug laws are laughable, since humans world wide know drugs are facilitated by the global narco states. Drug laws are just another excuse to incarcerate humans and make money on their imprisonment. Barney Franks latest lover will not go to jail, Clinton, baby Bush and Obama are all on record as drug users. All the pharms will make hundreds of billions in profits - and the first NIH study that will supposedly prove the efficacy of the H1N1 poison shot will not even be complete until April 2010.
Think of the deadly swine flu vaccine in the 70's and the gardisal and hep vaccines - a couple of European countries stopped mandating the hep vaccine because of the side effects, think of all the autistic children ruined by the vaccines.
Considering Baxter's reputation for murder - the tainted blood products sold for years to hemophiliacs - it's been proven they knew the blood products were infected, Baxter's heparin supplier murder scam, and the infected seasonal flu vaccine they shipped to 18 E European countries --
Why would anyone anywhere agree to a vaccination ?
I realize Baxter is not the only pharm manufacturing the latest kill shot and I don't need to be a doctor or medical professional to "understand" how a vaccine works. I trust my own intelligence and do not need anyones advise or expertise.
So called "experts" created these poisons that have ruined and killed, so no thanks.
The trembling fear of death works every time.
THERE IS NO COMMON SENSE OR LOGIC to giving "vaccinations" against swine flu if people are getting swine flu REPEATEDLY and even worse cases the second or third time.
IF CONTRACTING THE DISEASE ITSELF DOES NOT RENDER ANY IMMUNITY THEN VACCINATING CANNOT RENDER ANY BENEFIT WHATSOEVER. To do so is preposterous, illogical and totally against common sense. A vaccination is supposed to give you an extremely light exposure to the disease so your body can make antibodies and recognize the disease and react faster if exposed again. If actually contracting the disease doesn't do that then a vaccination sure can't. IT IS JUST A MONEY MAKING SCAM.
Completely agree - the poison shots are all about control - the marijuana / anti drug laws are laughable, since humans world wide know drugs are facilitated by the global narco states. Drug laws are just another excuse to incarcerate humans and make money on their imprisonment. Barney Franks latest lover will not go to jail, Clinton, baby Bush and Obama are all on record as drug users. All the pharms will make hundreds of billions in profits - and the first NIH study that will supposedly prove the efficacy of the H1N1 poison shot will not even be complete until April 2010.
Think of the deadly swine flu vaccine in the 70's and the gardisal and hep vaccines - a couple of European countries stopped mandating the hep vaccine because of the side effects, think of all the autistic children ruined by the vaccines.
Considering Baxter's reputation for murder - the tainted blood products sold for years to hemophiliacs - it's been proven they knew the blood products were infected, Baxter's heparin supplier murder scam, and the infected seasonal flu vaccine they shipped to 18 E European countries --
Why would anyone anywhere agree to a vaccination ?
I realize Baxter is not the only pharm manufacturing the latest kill shot and I don't need to be a doctor or medical professional to "understand" how a vaccine works. I trust my own intelligence and do not need anyones advise or expertise.
So called "experts" created these poisons that have ruined and killed, so no thanks.
The trembling fear of death works every time.
Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
I need to learn a lot more. I do not yet understand how a vaccine works. The more I study, the more contradictory statements from pharma and drs and scientists I come across. More experiments, more piggybacking, more oopsies. I know the basic theory but these days that's not nearly enough, so I appreciate all learning help, all education.
I'm finding Dissimulo's posts very helpful lately, looking at all this from a different perspective. Thank you Dissimulo!
I'm finding Dissimulo's posts very helpful lately, looking at all this from a different perspective. Thank you Dissimulo!
Be Well
may all be well
Aha, squirrels!
I found a recent Atlantic article that explained a great deal about flu vaxes - I'll try to find it and post a link. Basically there is no proof whatsoever that they work. And this is a mainstream medical type article - but not too scientific for the likes of me. It is not an anti-vx in general thing.
If I find it tonight I'll post it, or tomorrow. I hope tonight or I'll forget.
I found a recent Atlantic article that explained a great deal about flu vaxes - I'll try to find it and post a link. Basically there is no proof whatsoever that they work. And this is a mainstream medical type article - but not too scientific for the likes of me. It is not an anti-vx in general thing.
If I find it tonight I'll post it, or tomorrow. I hope tonight or I'll forget.
Be Well
may all be well
Well well, google works. Here's a link. Anyone interested in whether flu vaxes actually work or not should read this.
The whole thing is three pages long.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200911/brownlee-h1n1
Does the Vaccine Matter?
Whether this season’s swine flu turns out to be deadly or mild, most experts agree that it’s only a matter of time before we’re hit by a truly devastating flu pandemic—one that might kill more people worldwide than have died of the plague and aids combined. In the U.S., the main lines of defense are pharmaceutical—vaccines and antiviral drugs to limit the spread of flu and prevent people from dying from it. Yet now some flu experts are challenging the medical orthodoxy and arguing that for those most in need of protection, flu shots and antiviral drugs may provide little to none. So where does that leave us if a bad pandemic strikes?
by Shannon Brownlee and Jeanne Lenzer
The whole thing is three pages long.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200911/brownlee-h1n1
Does the Vaccine Matter?
Whether this season’s swine flu turns out to be deadly or mild, most experts agree that it’s only a matter of time before we’re hit by a truly devastating flu pandemic—one that might kill more people worldwide than have died of the plague and aids combined. In the U.S., the main lines of defense are pharmaceutical—vaccines and antiviral drugs to limit the spread of flu and prevent people from dying from it. Yet now some flu experts are challenging the medical orthodoxy and arguing that for those most in need of protection, flu shots and antiviral drugs may provide little to none. So where does that leave us if a bad pandemic strikes?
by Shannon Brownlee and Jeanne Lenzer
dissimulo
Membership Revoked
And then you can read the response to the Atlantic article on Science Based Medicine:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2495#more-2495
The Atlantic recently published an article called “Does the Vaccine Matter?“. The quick answer is yes. If you want to know more, keep reading. They concluded, based on a narrow interpretation of a small subset of the data, that vaccines probably do not matter. The tone suggests that the vaccine is a vast boondoggle perpetuated on the American people by frightened doctors and greedy pharmaceutical companies. At least that is my take on the article, you mileage may vary. Lets look at that article, and its review of the influenza vaccine, and see what they say, how they say it, and, perhaps more importantly, what they don’t say.
Unfortunately, I do not have a good story to tell with protagonists and antagonists and lone voices protesting the evil medical industrial complex. I don’t have a morality tale to tell with good guys and bad guys. I have the medical literature, with its numbers and uncertainties and nuance. I also have patients I have to treat and have to apply the medical literature to as best I can.
This entry may be a bit of a repetition for those who read my previous entry on vaccine efficacy, but my entry hit the blogosphere a few days before the Atlantic article, so I did not get a chance to incorporate it into my entry.
Lets go through the article paragraph at a time, with commentary as needed. The bold is from the Atlantic. There is a logical fallacy called Argue By Demanding Impossible Perfection. I wonder why I mention that….
Much, much more at the link...
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2495#more-2495
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2495#more-2495
The Atlantic recently published an article called “Does the Vaccine Matter?“. The quick answer is yes. If you want to know more, keep reading. They concluded, based on a narrow interpretation of a small subset of the data, that vaccines probably do not matter. The tone suggests that the vaccine is a vast boondoggle perpetuated on the American people by frightened doctors and greedy pharmaceutical companies. At least that is my take on the article, you mileage may vary. Lets look at that article, and its review of the influenza vaccine, and see what they say, how they say it, and, perhaps more importantly, what they don’t say.
Unfortunately, I do not have a good story to tell with protagonists and antagonists and lone voices protesting the evil medical industrial complex. I don’t have a morality tale to tell with good guys and bad guys. I have the medical literature, with its numbers and uncertainties and nuance. I also have patients I have to treat and have to apply the medical literature to as best I can.
This entry may be a bit of a repetition for those who read my previous entry on vaccine efficacy, but my entry hit the blogosphere a few days before the Atlantic article, so I did not get a chance to incorporate it into my entry.
Lets go through the article paragraph at a time, with commentary as needed. The bold is from the Atlantic. There is a logical fallacy called Argue By Demanding Impossible Perfection. I wonder why I mention that….
Much, much more at the link...
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2495#more-2495
In the spring, they stopped testing for H1N1 and told people that, since seasonal influenza wasn't spreading around, people could ASSume that they had H1N1. Now, a couple weeks ago, I heard on the radio that, since (as the propaganda went) people who already were sick were getting sick again, they could ASSume that they did NOT have H1N1 in the spring or summer. So they said, just because you've already been sick does not mean that you should not still get the swine flu vax. So they were spinning reinfection as reason to go out and get their vax.
Just like the WHO stated that it's safe to ASSume that what's going around the Ukraine is just run-of-the-mill H1N1.
Just like the WHO stated that it's safe to ASSume that what's going around the Ukraine is just run-of-the-mill H1N1.
msswv123
Veteran Member
What about stealth virus' and viteria?
The term viteria has been applied to stealth-adapted viruses that have acquired bacterial sequences. Viteria infected bacteria clearly pose an important public health problem and may lead to a wider dissemination of stealth-adapted viruses
http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=ef40626c1a712ec3214cd0b709f21197
It has just recently been discovered that one test to discover if your body is under a viral attack (whether stealth or otherwise) is the c-reactive protein test. This test will tell you the coagulability state of your blood. A body under attack by a virus has hypercoagulable blood (clots easily). (Again, this is because viruses hide from the immune system by "cloaking" themselves in fibrin). Stealth viruses do the same. This is how some of the stealth viruses were initially found: the c-reactive protein test showed positive, yet the individual had no signs of a fever or viral infection.
One thing we once knew for certain was that viruses that affect humans cannot affect animals and viruses that affect animals cannot affect humans. Then along came the stealth virus. This little bugger not only crosses phylogenetic boundaries between animal and humans, it also infects bacteria! We now have a new organism to do battle with; this "hybrid" called viteria (mixture of a virus and bacteria).
This viteria is suspected to be the involved in Lyme's disease, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Gulf War Syndrome, coronary artery disease, Alzheimer’s, and of course cancer. As Dr John Martin, MD, PhD states, "Genetically empowered bacteria, carrying potentially oncogenic [cancer causing] stealth-adapted viruses, could become a far more threatening biological weapons program than ever envisioned by our military planners." [www.ccid.com]
http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/misc/stealth_virus.htm
Stealth Virus: The hidden epidemic
http://www.introductiontorife.com/refandres/files/papers_articles/Stealth%20Viruses%20Hidden%20Epidemic%20-%20Haltiwanger-Martin-Kholos.pdf
One also has to assume that a "Viteria' would be virtually unrecognizable to the immune system thus the word "stealth"....very interesting especially the last link...blessings T
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
My personal experience.
My own personal insight. I work as a substitute teacher in the winter, so I tend to catch everything. Plus, I work with sick kids and for teachers who are out sick, so I get to know what all the symptoms are to each cold/virus/etc. I belive that there are multiple 'things' going around right now making people sick.
One is the swine flu - Severe headache, bad body aches, joints hurt, stomach issues (diarrhea and sometimes vomiting), painful coughing, etc. Basically a couple of miserable days. I remember how much it hurt to move my fingers and other joints. I initally thought that I had some sort of early onset arthritis. Then the painful cough set in, followed by the diarrhea, and I figured out what it was.
The second is a classic head/chest cold with lots of coughing combined runny nose, sneezing, etc. It makes for a couple of weeks with lots of coughing and congestion deep in the lungs. (I am mildly asthmatic - so any chest cold means weeks of coughing.)
The third is a stomach virus with diarrhea. But that could be some local food poisoning.
I'm of course unlucky enough to have caught all three.
Anyway, the swine flu was miserable and I can see how people who are not used to getting sick can be taken down by it. But some with some vitamins, mullein tea, and lots of vitamin D, I recovered in a few days. In my experience, the regular flu is worst.
But if someone was unlucky enought to come down with the swine flu and the head/chest cold and then it could become serious. Perhaps this is what is happening to people who get really sick and or die from the swine flu. Maybe they are catching multiple things at the same time.
Perhaps in the Ukraine and elsewhere, this is what is happening. Just my take based on personal experience.
My own personal insight. I work as a substitute teacher in the winter, so I tend to catch everything. Plus, I work with sick kids and for teachers who are out sick, so I get to know what all the symptoms are to each cold/virus/etc. I belive that there are multiple 'things' going around right now making people sick.
One is the swine flu - Severe headache, bad body aches, joints hurt, stomach issues (diarrhea and sometimes vomiting), painful coughing, etc. Basically a couple of miserable days. I remember how much it hurt to move my fingers and other joints. I initally thought that I had some sort of early onset arthritis. Then the painful cough set in, followed by the diarrhea, and I figured out what it was.
The second is a classic head/chest cold with lots of coughing combined runny nose, sneezing, etc. It makes for a couple of weeks with lots of coughing and congestion deep in the lungs. (I am mildly asthmatic - so any chest cold means weeks of coughing.)
The third is a stomach virus with diarrhea. But that could be some local food poisoning.
I'm of course unlucky enough to have caught all three.
Anyway, the swine flu was miserable and I can see how people who are not used to getting sick can be taken down by it. But some with some vitamins, mullein tea, and lots of vitamin D, I recovered in a few days. In my experience, the regular flu is worst.
But if someone was unlucky enought to come down with the swine flu and the head/chest cold and then it could become serious. Perhaps this is what is happening to people who get really sick and or die from the swine flu. Maybe they are catching multiple things at the same time.
Perhaps in the Ukraine and elsewhere, this is what is happening. Just my take based on personal experience.
naturallysweet
Maybe they are catching multiple things at the same time.
Sounds like INFLUENZA AIDS -
AIDS is the breakdown of the immune system, the bodies inability to fight pathogens / disease.
The rumors in Ukraine about mysterious aerial spraying of unknown substances is interesting.
Maybe they are catching multiple things at the same time.
Sounds like INFLUENZA AIDS -
AIDS is the breakdown of the immune system, the bodies inability to fight pathogens / disease.
The rumors in Ukraine about mysterious aerial spraying of unknown substances is interesting.
dissimulo
Membership Revoked
This is kind of a young research area, as you can see by the pretty large ratio of hypothesis to evidence. I don't know much about it and it is hard to guess at such an early stage in research whether this will turn out to be a major development in microbiology or a small extension to what we already know.
The key thing to keep in mind is that the viruses involved in this area of study are DNA viruses, rather than RNA viruses. This makes some sense, since acquiring a host's DNA-encoded information would require a similar encoding or something to translate. I specifically did not talk about DNA viruses or retroviruses (things such as herpes, epstein-barr, and HIV) in my post, since we see vastly more complicated behavior from them.
Posted on infowars - for educational purposes, fair use applies:
URL to article: http://www.infowars.com/yuschenko-and-martial-law-on-behalf-of-who/
Yuschenko and Martial Law on Behalf of WHO
The Flue Case
November 8, 2009
On a cold, overcast December afternoon in 2004, I briefly met the Viktor Yuschenko, the Ukrainian President.
He had been treated for poisoning at a hospital in Döbling and when he was released, he held a press conference surrounded by doctors and attended by scores of journalists.
Yuschenko stood there barely saying a word, looking haggard and with a bluish pallor: his face was pock marked and his hair was an unnatural colour; his eyes were full of mistrust and fear even though the private Rudolfinerhaus clinic held few threats.
Five years on, this shattered looking individual, who was once the head of a pro democracy movement, is about to proclaim himself a dictator.
Ukraine is the first country to come under the control of the WHO and the UN under the International Health Regulations 2005, and the reality is that Yuschenko and his Prime Minister Julia Timoschenko are just carrying out the orders from WHO and the UN when they suspend civic rights and democracy under the pretext of fighting a pandemic emergency.
Whatever is left of freedom in the Ukraine is about to be extinguished.
Elections in January are set to be suspended.
Demonstrations have been banned.
Political opponents have been prohibited from travelling inside areas put under quarantine.
Borders have been partly closed already.
Critics of a mass vaccination campaign are facing criminal prosecution and goal.
Huge swathes of land have been put under quarantine.
Plans are in the works for the forced vaccination of people with a toxic and untested swine flu vaccine. The US government is planning to send nearly a million doses of the jab. a substance classified as a bioweapon, to the Ukraine by early December…..
Pregnant women and children are the first to be given the jab which Yuschenko using the twisted logic and lies worthy of the Nazi Propagandist Josef Goebbels has said must be administered to them to “protect their health”.
Tents belonging to Eurolab have sprung up in Kiev offering treatment against the flu http://ukrainiantranslator.blogspot.com/.
Eurolab appears to be the diagnostic department of the German scandal-hit coporate giant Siemens in yet another private government partnership. http://clinic.eurolab.ua/en/eurolab/
Yuschenko has justified implementing martial law on behalf of WHO by the sudden appearance of a pneumonic plague in the western part of the Ukraine that appears to be artificially engineered.
There have been reports of planes spraying towns before the appearance of the plague. WHO was part of an exercise on plague bioterrorism just a month before the actual plague appeared. Baxter has a facility in the Ukraine.
WHO and the international corporate crime syndicate that fund them, may have decided that they could not go ahead with their plan to trigger a pandemic in Europe and the USA because the public awareness of the dangers of the vaccine jab has become too great, not least as a result of WHO and Baxter being caught contaminating 72 kilos of vaccine material with the live bird flu virus in February.
Miniscule numbers of people have gone to take the swine flu vaccine across Europe. In Sweden the numbers might also be as low as a few thousand because the government only counts how many doses of the swine flu have been distributed (1.4 million) and not how many jabs have actually been given.
The Ukraine may, therefore, have seemed like a better place to test their model and carry out their plan of generating a plague, panic, confusion, declaring a mutated virus, inserting the virus into vaccines, and waging biological warfare against defenceless civilian population eventually using Ukraine’s own army and military through a forced vaccination programme.
Expect WHO, which is examining the Ukrainian mystery virus, to announce the swine flu has morphed into the bird flu to spread panic. This will be an excuse for WHO to insert the live bird flu virus into vaccines, and so spread the pandemic even further.
WHO has been preparing for years for a bird flu pandemic, after all. The bird flu is an artificial lab virus reconstructed from the Spanish Flu pandemic virus by US scientists in a bioweapons lab.
The Austrian corporate media – controlled by the same corporate crime syndicate that pull the strings of WHO – are preparing the people here for the idea that the pandemic could soon spread. Five flights a day land from Kiev and there are no precautions to test infected people in place, pipes an Austrian newspaper.
How long until the Austrian newspapers declare the plague or bird flu has reached Austria? How long until we see the attempt by the government at the brutal implementation of martial law preceding forced vaccinations and quarantines?
The number of police and private security forces patrolling on the streets in Austria has certainly increased dramatically recently. There are even uniformed, private security guards now patrolling Vienna University’s libraries, something totally new. Extra police have been put in the airports and border crossings. The army command structure has been centralized.
Special army units based in Korneuburg, the same place where Baxter has its facilities, have bene practicing pandemic emergency exercises and quarantining patients in hospitals.
The Austrian government is facing protests from students and an ecomonic collapse engineered by the corporate crime syndicate that funds big pharma and WHO. The government has saddled the Austrians with huge debts to the banks that will suck out of the economy huge amounts of money leaving even less for students, pensioners as Depression comparable with the 30s approaches.
The evidence of crimes committed by members of the government is so great that if the Justice Minister Claudia Bandion Ortner were not herself so corrupt, then most of the parliament would be in goal.
How long until the Austrian government, corrupted to the core, threatens people with martial law under the pretext of a pandemic to avoid having to face accountability for their crimes?
How long until WHO and UN officials following the orders of the banksters and pharma companies take over the health service and the police and mandate forced vaccinations and quarantines in Austria?
With a bridgehead in western Europe for their pandemic plans, WHO could then attempt the same tricks in other countries as in Austria.
URL to article: http://www.infowars.com/yuschenko-and-martial-law-on-behalf-of-who/
Yuschenko and Martial Law on Behalf of WHO
The Flue Case
November 8, 2009
On a cold, overcast December afternoon in 2004, I briefly met the Viktor Yuschenko, the Ukrainian President.
He had been treated for poisoning at a hospital in Döbling and when he was released, he held a press conference surrounded by doctors and attended by scores of journalists.
Yuschenko stood there barely saying a word, looking haggard and with a bluish pallor: his face was pock marked and his hair was an unnatural colour; his eyes were full of mistrust and fear even though the private Rudolfinerhaus clinic held few threats.
Five years on, this shattered looking individual, who was once the head of a pro democracy movement, is about to proclaim himself a dictator.
Ukraine is the first country to come under the control of the WHO and the UN under the International Health Regulations 2005, and the reality is that Yuschenko and his Prime Minister Julia Timoschenko are just carrying out the orders from WHO and the UN when they suspend civic rights and democracy under the pretext of fighting a pandemic emergency.
Whatever is left of freedom in the Ukraine is about to be extinguished.
Elections in January are set to be suspended.
Demonstrations have been banned.
Political opponents have been prohibited from travelling inside areas put under quarantine.
Borders have been partly closed already.
Critics of a mass vaccination campaign are facing criminal prosecution and goal.
Huge swathes of land have been put under quarantine.
Plans are in the works for the forced vaccination of people with a toxic and untested swine flu vaccine. The US government is planning to send nearly a million doses of the jab. a substance classified as a bioweapon, to the Ukraine by early December…..
Pregnant women and children are the first to be given the jab which Yuschenko using the twisted logic and lies worthy of the Nazi Propagandist Josef Goebbels has said must be administered to them to “protect their health”.
Tents belonging to Eurolab have sprung up in Kiev offering treatment against the flu http://ukrainiantranslator.blogspot.com/.
Eurolab appears to be the diagnostic department of the German scandal-hit coporate giant Siemens in yet another private government partnership. http://clinic.eurolab.ua/en/eurolab/
Yuschenko has justified implementing martial law on behalf of WHO by the sudden appearance of a pneumonic plague in the western part of the Ukraine that appears to be artificially engineered.
There have been reports of planes spraying towns before the appearance of the plague. WHO was part of an exercise on plague bioterrorism just a month before the actual plague appeared. Baxter has a facility in the Ukraine.
WHO and the international corporate crime syndicate that fund them, may have decided that they could not go ahead with their plan to trigger a pandemic in Europe and the USA because the public awareness of the dangers of the vaccine jab has become too great, not least as a result of WHO and Baxter being caught contaminating 72 kilos of vaccine material with the live bird flu virus in February.
Miniscule numbers of people have gone to take the swine flu vaccine across Europe. In Sweden the numbers might also be as low as a few thousand because the government only counts how many doses of the swine flu have been distributed (1.4 million) and not how many jabs have actually been given.
The Ukraine may, therefore, have seemed like a better place to test their model and carry out their plan of generating a plague, panic, confusion, declaring a mutated virus, inserting the virus into vaccines, and waging biological warfare against defenceless civilian population eventually using Ukraine’s own army and military through a forced vaccination programme.
Expect WHO, which is examining the Ukrainian mystery virus, to announce the swine flu has morphed into the bird flu to spread panic. This will be an excuse for WHO to insert the live bird flu virus into vaccines, and so spread the pandemic even further.
WHO has been preparing for years for a bird flu pandemic, after all. The bird flu is an artificial lab virus reconstructed from the Spanish Flu pandemic virus by US scientists in a bioweapons lab.
The Austrian corporate media – controlled by the same corporate crime syndicate that pull the strings of WHO – are preparing the people here for the idea that the pandemic could soon spread. Five flights a day land from Kiev and there are no precautions to test infected people in place, pipes an Austrian newspaper.
How long until the Austrian newspapers declare the plague or bird flu has reached Austria? How long until we see the attempt by the government at the brutal implementation of martial law preceding forced vaccinations and quarantines?
The number of police and private security forces patrolling on the streets in Austria has certainly increased dramatically recently. There are even uniformed, private security guards now patrolling Vienna University’s libraries, something totally new. Extra police have been put in the airports and border crossings. The army command structure has been centralized.
Special army units based in Korneuburg, the same place where Baxter has its facilities, have bene practicing pandemic emergency exercises and quarantining patients in hospitals.
The Austrian government is facing protests from students and an ecomonic collapse engineered by the corporate crime syndicate that funds big pharma and WHO. The government has saddled the Austrians with huge debts to the banks that will suck out of the economy huge amounts of money leaving even less for students, pensioners as Depression comparable with the 30s approaches.
The evidence of crimes committed by members of the government is so great that if the Justice Minister Claudia Bandion Ortner were not herself so corrupt, then most of the parliament would be in goal.
How long until the Austrian government, corrupted to the core, threatens people with martial law under the pretext of a pandemic to avoid having to face accountability for their crimes?
How long until WHO and UN officials following the orders of the banksters and pharma companies take over the health service and the police and mandate forced vaccinations and quarantines in Austria?
With a bridgehead in western Europe for their pandemic plans, WHO could then attempt the same tricks in other countries as in Austria.
@pQlrppl
w8nNw8n. Popcom read[y]
I guess it depends on your definition of young research. I remember when John was working on the gene sequencing and cracked it over a decade ago.
What I would consider "young" ... research is the XMRV. (26+ yrs of replicating in the population -shouldn't be "young" at all... - but is due to the CDC) It has the attention right now of virologists all over the globe.
and relates to why inynmn in above post would say:
>>Sounds like INFLUENZA AIDS -
AIDS is the breakdown of the immune system, the bodies inability to fight pathogens / disease>>
and why Dr J Markovitz stated in the past month that XMRV is at LEAST as important as the swine flu....
Article -May 2, 2009 from Reuters - for educational purposes, fair use:
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L2516414.htm
HIV patients at higher risk from flu, WHO says
02 May 2009 11:53:21 GMT
Source: Reuters
* HIV patients at high risk from flu, need antivirals most
* WHO fears complications if HIV and H1N1 viruses combine
(Adds background on HIV, seasonal influenza, antivirals)
By Laura MacInnis
GENEVA, May 2 (Reuters) - People with HIV are at high risk from the new flu strain that the World Health Organisation said is on the verge of a pandemic, the WHO said on Saturday.
The United Nations agency said people with immunodeficiency diseases -- including the AIDS virus -- will most likely be vulnerable to health complications from the H1N1 strain, as they are from regular seasonal flu, which kills between 250,000 and 500,000 people a year.
HIV and the new flu strain could also mix together in a dangerous way, as has occurred with HIV and tuberculosis, the WHO said in guidance for health workers on its website.
"Although there are inadequate data to predict the impact of a possible human influenza pandemic on HIV-affected populations, interactions between HIV/AIDS and A(H1N1) influenza could be significant," it said.
"HIV-infected persons should be considered as a high risk and a priority population for preventive and therapeutic strategies against influenza including emerging influenza A(H1N1) virus infection," it said.
The virus widely known as "swine flu" has been most severe in Mexico, where government authorities say it has killed more than 100 people, and caused more mild symptoms as it spread around the world to countries including the United States, Austria, Israel, New Zealand and South Korea. [L2430119]
Although the outbreak remains tiny in scale compared to other epidemics such as malaria, hepatitis, and meningitis, the WHO has raised its pandemic alert level to 5 out of 6 due to its rapid spread as well as the possibility that the flu could cause more devastation in poor and disease-prone communities.
Countries with high rates of HIV -- most of which are in Africa -- should work to ensure that vulnerable people get the drugs they need to fight off the flu infection, the WHO said.
Antiviral medicines such as Tamiflu and Relenza decrease the duration of virus excretion and the severity of illness when used for treatment of ill patients, and may also prevent illness when used for prophylaxis.
"Patients at higher risk for complications of influenza including those with HIV infection should be among those prioritised for antiviral treatment with oseltamivir or zanamivir which shortens illness duration and severity in seasonal influenza," the WHO guidance read.
It is best if people infected with the flu strain start to take the antivirals within 48 hours of the onset of symptoms, according to the WHO. There are no known problems with taking those drugs alongside the anti-retrovirals that HIV patients take to suppress their virus.
According to WHO estimates, there are 33 million people infected with immune-weakening HIV worldwide.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L2516414.htm
HIV patients at higher risk from flu, WHO says
02 May 2009 11:53:21 GMT
Source: Reuters
* HIV patients at high risk from flu, need antivirals most
* WHO fears complications if HIV and H1N1 viruses combine
(Adds background on HIV, seasonal influenza, antivirals)
By Laura MacInnis
GENEVA, May 2 (Reuters) - People with HIV are at high risk from the new flu strain that the World Health Organisation said is on the verge of a pandemic, the WHO said on Saturday.
The United Nations agency said people with immunodeficiency diseases -- including the AIDS virus -- will most likely be vulnerable to health complications from the H1N1 strain, as they are from regular seasonal flu, which kills between 250,000 and 500,000 people a year.
HIV and the new flu strain could also mix together in a dangerous way, as has occurred with HIV and tuberculosis, the WHO said in guidance for health workers on its website.
"Although there are inadequate data to predict the impact of a possible human influenza pandemic on HIV-affected populations, interactions between HIV/AIDS and A(H1N1) influenza could be significant," it said.
"HIV-infected persons should be considered as a high risk and a priority population for preventive and therapeutic strategies against influenza including emerging influenza A(H1N1) virus infection," it said.
The virus widely known as "swine flu" has been most severe in Mexico, where government authorities say it has killed more than 100 people, and caused more mild symptoms as it spread around the world to countries including the United States, Austria, Israel, New Zealand and South Korea. [L2430119]
Although the outbreak remains tiny in scale compared to other epidemics such as malaria, hepatitis, and meningitis, the WHO has raised its pandemic alert level to 5 out of 6 due to its rapid spread as well as the possibility that the flu could cause more devastation in poor and disease-prone communities.
Countries with high rates of HIV -- most of which are in Africa -- should work to ensure that vulnerable people get the drugs they need to fight off the flu infection, the WHO said.
Antiviral medicines such as Tamiflu and Relenza decrease the duration of virus excretion and the severity of illness when used for treatment of ill patients, and may also prevent illness when used for prophylaxis.
"Patients at higher risk for complications of influenza including those with HIV infection should be among those prioritised for antiviral treatment with oseltamivir or zanamivir which shortens illness duration and severity in seasonal influenza," the WHO guidance read.
It is best if people infected with the flu strain start to take the antivirals within 48 hours of the onset of symptoms, according to the WHO. There are no known problems with taking those drugs alongside the anti-retrovirals that HIV patients take to suppress their virus.
According to WHO estimates, there are 33 million people infected with immune-weakening HIV worldwide.
Hansa44
Justine Case
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11080901/Ukraine_Million.html
Reported Ukraine Cases Approach One Million
Recombinomics Commentary 18:08
November 8, 2009
936,804 Influenza/ARI
43,762 Hospitalized
144 Deaths
The above figures are from the latest update in Ukraine. The increase in the reported cases slowed and have not quite broken 1 million, but the increases in the latest report put all reporting locations above or near the epidemic threshold (see map). Moreover, deaths have now been reported at most locations, although the Lviv Oblast still has a significant lead in each of the above, with 152,242 cases, 6,313 hospitalized, and 61 deaths.
Although these numbers are well above historical blimps in cases in Ukraine at this time of year, the local media is still focused on confirmed cases and a role for seasonal flu in the numbers. However, as has been reported throughout Europe, levels of seasonal influenza A are near zero. Moreover, the decline in H3N2 in eastern Asia suggests that swine H1N1 may crowd out seasonal H1N1 and H3N2 and swine H1N1 may be the only influenza A remaining in circulation in humans worldwide.
Anecdotal reports indicate there is also significant levels of virus and deaths in Belarus and other countries in the region, raising concerns that the death toll will rapidly increase, which leaves open the possibility of a genetic change.
Although Mill Hill has reported at least 15 positive samples, no sequences have been released and comments on the sequences have been sketchy. The isolates are said to be anti-viral sensitive and have no "large changes".
However, changes in the receptor binding domain position 225 have been reported, with D225E being most dominant (see list here). However, other changes have also been noted, including D225G (see list here) and D225N (see list here). D225N was linked to the global expansion of seasonal H3N2, so changes at this position can have significant effects on transmission.
Release of sequences from Ukraine is now overdue.
Reported Ukraine Cases Approach One Million
Recombinomics Commentary 18:08
November 8, 2009
936,804 Influenza/ARI
43,762 Hospitalized
144 Deaths
The above figures are from the latest update in Ukraine. The increase in the reported cases slowed and have not quite broken 1 million, but the increases in the latest report put all reporting locations above or near the epidemic threshold (see map). Moreover, deaths have now been reported at most locations, although the Lviv Oblast still has a significant lead in each of the above, with 152,242 cases, 6,313 hospitalized, and 61 deaths.
Although these numbers are well above historical blimps in cases in Ukraine at this time of year, the local media is still focused on confirmed cases and a role for seasonal flu in the numbers. However, as has been reported throughout Europe, levels of seasonal influenza A are near zero. Moreover, the decline in H3N2 in eastern Asia suggests that swine H1N1 may crowd out seasonal H1N1 and H3N2 and swine H1N1 may be the only influenza A remaining in circulation in humans worldwide.
Anecdotal reports indicate there is also significant levels of virus and deaths in Belarus and other countries in the region, raising concerns that the death toll will rapidly increase, which leaves open the possibility of a genetic change.
Although Mill Hill has reported at least 15 positive samples, no sequences have been released and comments on the sequences have been sketchy. The isolates are said to be anti-viral sensitive and have no "large changes".
However, changes in the receptor binding domain position 225 have been reported, with D225E being most dominant (see list here). However, other changes have also been noted, including D225G (see list here) and D225N (see list here). D225N was linked to the global expansion of seasonal H3N2, so changes at this position can have significant effects on transmission.
Release of sequences from Ukraine is now overdue.
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Hansa44
Justine Case
http://en.rian.ru/exsoviet/20091108/156753650.html
Death toll from flu outbreak in Ukraine rises to 144
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© REUTERS/ Vasily Fedosenko Related NewsUkraine's PM says no need for state of emergency over flu
11:1008/11/2009
KIEV, November 8 (RIA Novosti) - The death toll from the flu outbreak in Ukraine has risen to 144 cases, the country's Health Ministry reported on Sunday.
According to the ministry, 15 regions in the ex-Soviet republic had already crossed the flu epidemic threshold while 11 provinces were close to it.
The Ukrainian government imposed quarantine in nine western provinces in late October in an attempt to curb the spread of flu. All education establishments in Kiev were closed, and people were obliged to wear medical masks in all catering establishments, shops and social services facilities across the former Soviet republic.
Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko earlier requested help from other countries over the outbreak of flu.
The Ukrainian Health Ministry said on Monday 255,000 flu cases had been registered in the country, with some 15,000 people receiving treatment in hospital.
The Health Ministry has confirmed the death of 14 people from swine flu and 32 swine flu cases in the country.
The Ukrainian parliament has approved the allocation of 1 billion hryvnias ($125 million) on measures to fight swine and seasonal flu.
Death toll from flu outbreak in Ukraine rises to 144
© REUTERS/ Vasily Fedosenko Related NewsUkraine's PM says no need for state of emergency over flu
11:1008/11/2009
KIEV, November 8 (RIA Novosti) - The death toll from the flu outbreak in Ukraine has risen to 144 cases, the country's Health Ministry reported on Sunday.
According to the ministry, 15 regions in the ex-Soviet republic had already crossed the flu epidemic threshold while 11 provinces were close to it.
The Ukrainian government imposed quarantine in nine western provinces in late October in an attempt to curb the spread of flu. All education establishments in Kiev were closed, and people were obliged to wear medical masks in all catering establishments, shops and social services facilities across the former Soviet republic.
Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko earlier requested help from other countries over the outbreak of flu.
The Ukrainian Health Ministry said on Monday 255,000 flu cases had been registered in the country, with some 15,000 people receiving treatment in hospital.
The Health Ministry has confirmed the death of 14 people from swine flu and 32 swine flu cases in the country.
The Ukrainian parliament has approved the allocation of 1 billion hryvnias ($125 million) on measures to fight swine and seasonal flu.