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Amberglass
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Ministry of Health identified three suspected cases of swine flu in Chile
Any place I missed?
I guess ...maybe...we could add Chile....
Ministry of Health identified three suspected cases of swine flu in Chile
Preliminary tests ruled out infection in two cases.
Cooperativa.cl
The minister called Erazo tranquility of the population.
The Health Ministry reported Saturday that the presence of cases of three people suspected of being infected in our country with the swine flu, a disease that has left dozens of deaths in Mexico (where it originated), and that led to the World World Health Organization (WHO) to declare a state of emergency of international public health.
"There are three cases under consideration, which are in the Coyhaique Regional Hospital, the Hospital" (Charles) Van Buren "in Valparaiso, and the Chest Hospital," the minister said Alvaro Erazo.
The secretary of state said that "two of these cases have an initial negative test, an immunofluorescence with an examination which is not throwing the event corresponding to a case of H1N1," and there is a third case is still under study .
Erazo was, finally, a plea for "peace of the population," to ensure "the health services of the country are working 24 hours a day."
On the imminent arrival of the Mexican team Chivas de Guadalajara, which face Everton on Wednesday for Copa Libertadores, the owner of Health said that the players will be subjected to the same analysis of the other passengers, including passage through a scanner and measurement of body temperature, which in the case of more than 39 degrees, will transfer to a health center to conduct a medical checkup.
http://translate.google.com/transla...e/prontus_nots/2009-04-25/212405.html&prev=hp
Any place I missed?
I guess ...maybe...we could add Chile....
Ministry of Health identified three suspected cases of swine flu in Chile
Preliminary tests ruled out infection in two cases.
Cooperativa.cl
The minister called Erazo tranquility of the population.
The Health Ministry reported Saturday that the presence of cases of three people suspected of being infected in our country with the swine flu, a disease that has left dozens of deaths in Mexico (where it originated), and that led to the World World Health Organization (WHO) to declare a state of emergency of international public health.
"There are three cases under consideration, which are in the Coyhaique Regional Hospital, the Hospital" (Charles) Van Buren "in Valparaiso, and the Chest Hospital," the minister said Alvaro Erazo.
The secretary of state said that "two of these cases have an initial negative test, an immunofluorescence with an examination which is not throwing the event corresponding to a case of H1N1," and there is a third case is still under study .
Erazo was, finally, a plea for "peace of the population," to ensure "the health services of the country are working 24 hours a day."
On the imminent arrival of the Mexican team Chivas de Guadalajara, which face Everton on Wednesday for Copa Libertadores, the owner of Health said that the players will be subjected to the same analysis of the other passengers, including passage through a scanner and measurement of body temperature, which in the case of more than 39 degrees, will transfer to a health center to conduct a medical checkup.
http://translate.google.com/transla...e/prontus_nots/2009-04-25/212405.html&prev=hp
Somewhere in some thread years ago
there was a discussion about immune storm that comes with a killer flu. Besides taking antiviral products like Sambucol which hopefully prevent the storm by killing enough of the virus, there were other things you could take like MSM and anti-inflamatories, I think? My brain cells are trying to recall...I know I have a large bottle of MSM in my preps for that purpose but I never went out and bought the other things suggested...can anyone remember what they were?
there was a discussion about immune storm that comes with a killer flu. Besides taking antiviral products like Sambucol which hopefully prevent the storm by killing enough of the virus, there were other things you could take like MSM and anti-inflamatories, I think? My brain cells are trying to recall...I know I have a large bottle of MSM in my preps for that purpose but I never went out and bought the other things suggested...can anyone remember what they were?
Adding Ackland, New Zealand.
The article posted by Dad from the latimes indicates there are 16 Mexican states with suspected or confirmed cases as of today, our list has only 10 -- we missed some somewhere.
The article posted by Dad from the latimes indicates there are 16 Mexican states with suspected or confirmed cases as of today, our list has only 10 -- we missed some somewhere.
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Whole Foods report...SoCal
Just got back from Whole Foods, Ventura County area, Southern California. When I checked, our stock was a bit lower than I was comfortable with, so I decided to top off.
At Whole Foods, they had several different brands of elderberry syrups. However, their stock was depleting rapidly; the shelves were only about half-full today and usually they are pretty well-stocked.
I bought the last few 8 oz. bottles of the Nature's Way brand that is my preference, and also decided to try the Gaia Herbs "super concentrated" brand as well. They also had several other brands, including the honeygardens elderberry extract that willdo mentioned.
The prices, however, were a LOT more than you will pay for online ordering, or for making your own extract from the dried elderberries. Whole Foods here was charging $19.99 for the Nature's Way 8 oz bottle.
However, considering that at my job we service hospitals in Imperial County (where swine flu cases have been confirmed), it's likely some of our employees, and ergo me, may have already been exposed. I wasn't taking any chances on waiting for delivery of an online order.
I also picked up a fresh bottle of turmeric 95% curcumin capsules, to control inflammatory cytokine response if needed. I use those anyway, so it wasn't a wasted purchase.
Just thought you all would like to know that Whole Foods does carry elderberry syrups and extracts, in case anyone is planning on looking for some in the near future.
Just got back from Whole Foods, Ventura County area, Southern California. When I checked, our stock was a bit lower than I was comfortable with, so I decided to top off.
At Whole Foods, they had several different brands of elderberry syrups. However, their stock was depleting rapidly; the shelves were only about half-full today and usually they are pretty well-stocked.
I bought the last few 8 oz. bottles of the Nature's Way brand that is my preference, and also decided to try the Gaia Herbs "super concentrated" brand as well. They also had several other brands, including the honeygardens elderberry extract that willdo mentioned.
The prices, however, were a LOT more than you will pay for online ordering, or for making your own extract from the dried elderberries. Whole Foods here was charging $19.99 for the Nature's Way 8 oz bottle.
However, considering that at my job we service hospitals in Imperial County (where swine flu cases have been confirmed), it's likely some of our employees, and ergo me, may have already been exposed. I wasn't taking any chances on waiting for delivery of an online order.
I also picked up a fresh bottle of turmeric 95% curcumin capsules, to control inflammatory cytokine response if needed. I use those anyway, so it wasn't a wasted purchase.
Just thought you all would like to know that Whole Foods does carry elderberry syrups and extracts, in case anyone is planning on looking for some in the near future.
Navydad
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To search for a retail outlet selling sambucol.
http://ucanhealth.com/local/?cz=80134&type=Merchandise&term=Natures+Way+SAMBUCOL+ORIGINAL+Syrup
ETA. This will give you Parker, Colorado. My daughter and her all male brood live there. Gonna get her to load up tomorrow before all is gone. You can change the zip for your search.
http://ucanhealth.com/local/?cz=80134&type=Merchandise&term=Natures+Way+SAMBUCOL+ORIGINAL+Syrup
ETA. This will give you Parker, Colorado. My daughter and her all male brood live there. Gonna get her to load up tomorrow before all is gone. You can change the zip for your search.
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Sky
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Swine Flu Pandemic Outbreak Model **Alex Jones Emergency Update**
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HJjnNKLv6Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2F
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HJjnNKLv6Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2F
ok, the States are beginning to activate their pandemic flu plans, that IS what this is. This is New York, they will all be similar.
To know that you have to review the State's plans, or DHS' model plan -- In Arizona, this falls under the Community Disease Control supplement.
http://twitter.com/BreakingNews
To know that you have to review the State's plans, or DHS' model plan -- In Arizona, this falls under the Community Disease Control supplement.
http://twitter.com/BreakingNews
Thanks for the tip on the turmeric 95% curcumin capsules
How much is an adult dose verses a child's dose if one is fighting off a storm? We have a large family and a large extended family and I'm not sure how much to order. I can google it but since you have used it before, I thought I'd ask.
I went yesterday and restocked what was getting low...some can goods, toliet paper and some of the personal and cleaning supplies. I hate buying a lot at one time...you get such looks...even at Costcos where they provide the large rolling thingy for large orders...and then people start asking questions about why you are buying so much...good reason to keep up with your inventory so you don't attract attention to yourself. My luck I had the store manager in line behind me buying a few things before he went home, lol...and he was evaluating one of the clerks in my line...so I got the royal treatment to show how he was taking care of a good customer. I can't lie so when he asked if I was buying all that for home or for a business, I didn't really spend that much, it was just bulky stuff...I told him for home and that I tried to keep my pantry stocked. I felt like he was saying to himself, oh, here's one of those right wing extremists they were telling us about...I think next time someone asks me that's going to be my answer...I am one of those right wing extremists that you were warned about...
How much is an adult dose verses a child's dose if one is fighting off a storm? We have a large family and a large extended family and I'm not sure how much to order. I can google it but since you have used it before, I thought I'd ask.
I went yesterday and restocked what was getting low...some can goods, toliet paper and some of the personal and cleaning supplies. I hate buying a lot at one time...you get such looks...even at Costcos where they provide the large rolling thingy for large orders...and then people start asking questions about why you are buying so much...good reason to keep up with your inventory so you don't attract attention to yourself. My luck I had the store manager in line behind me buying a few things before he went home, lol...and he was evaluating one of the clerks in my line...so I got the royal treatment to show how he was taking care of a good customer. I can't lie so when he asked if I was buying all that for home or for a business, I didn't really spend that much, it was just bulky stuff...I told him for home and that I tried to keep my pantry stocked. I felt like he was saying to himself, oh, here's one of those right wing extremists they were telling us about...I think next time someone asks me that's going to be my answer...I am one of those right wing extremists that you were warned about...
Freeholder
This too shall pass.
If you go looking for elderberry wine in the stores, check the ingredients label. A couple of years ago, I bought a bottle of elderberry wine to keep on hand for the flu. When I came down with the flu, I decided to try it (I don't drink, so was reluctant to even open the bottle). It actually did help me breathe at night -- I think the alcohol was relaxing things a bit. So I got a second bottle, and THEN I looked at the ingredients label!! Not a drop of elderberry in it! Just flavoring! So make sure you are getting the real thing!
Kathleen
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In Bogota reported nine suspected cases of swine flu
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The District Health authorities reported the presence of nine suspected cases of swine flu in the capital where he was declared in all the epidemiological alert the public and private hospitals.
People who were monitored or monitoring are not pre-hospital and his condition is not serious, informed the secretary of the Health District, Hector Zambrano to give an account of the situation.
Patients with influenza, eight adults and one child came less than seven days in Mexico where the virus was detected and its arrival in Colombia showed symptoms of influenza or respiratory illness.
"These tables flu being monitored and controlled in accordance with protocols, individuals are not hospitalized to prevent the spread the virus if one of them eventually do," said Health Secretary.
Health authorities made an appeal to all persons who have traveled to Mexico or the states of Texas or California, United States in a period of less than two weeks, so if you have any flu-box approach to a hospital to receive attention and appropriate monitoring.
Health Secretary of Bogotá reported that passengers on all flights from Mexico, Texas or California are doing a medical evaluation and monitoring for several days on their health status. The district officer recommended for travelers to postpone trips to Mexico.
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The District Health authorities reported the presence of nine suspected cases of swine flu in the capital where he was declared in all the epidemiological alert the public and private hospitals.
People who were monitored or monitoring are not pre-hospital and his condition is not serious, informed the secretary of the Health District, Hector Zambrano to give an account of the situation.
Patients with influenza, eight adults and one child came less than seven days in Mexico where the virus was detected and its arrival in Colombia showed symptoms of influenza or respiratory illness.
"These tables flu being monitored and controlled in accordance with protocols, individuals are not hospitalized to prevent the spread the virus if one of them eventually do," said Health Secretary.
Health authorities made an appeal to all persons who have traveled to Mexico or the states of Texas or California, United States in a period of less than two weeks, so if you have any flu-box approach to a hospital to receive attention and appropriate monitoring.
Health Secretary of Bogotá reported that passengers on all flights from Mexico, Texas or California are doing a medical evaluation and monitoring for several days on their health status. The district officer recommended for travelers to postpone trips to Mexico.
http://translate.google.com/transla...ww.caracol.com.co/nota.aspx?id=801276&prev=hp
Edit: The Sabmucus Natures Way I just got Vitacost.com is made in France. I'll see if I can order some from the link Navydad provided...........
I think that was old stock Sambucol if they even still have any........... Nature's Way changed the formula (dispite it's saying original on the box) and call's it Sambucus now and it's made in France. Looking at the label's at Vitacost it looks like the Nature's Answer brand Sambucus is 5 or 10 times stronger than the Natures Way brand...........
I think that was old stock Sambucol if they even still have any........... Nature's Way changed the formula (dispite it's saying original on the box) and call's it Sambucus now and it's made in France. Looking at the label's at Vitacost it looks like the Nature's Answer brand Sambucus is 5 or 10 times stronger than the Natures Way brand...........
Sky
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Also from So Cal
thanks for the info... I'm in a small desert town so probably end up ordering online interesting on turmeric / curcumin capsules
If you cannot get access to prescription drugs like Tamiflu (antiviral) and prednisone (for cytokine storm) this is a great summary of suggested herbal and alternative ideas.
Willdo, turmeric dosing is included below...please also pay close attention to its drug interaction with warfarin (Coumadin).
THE LIST FOR HERBS AND ALTERNATIVES FOR FLU by Shannon
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11785
Default THE LIST FOR HERBS AND ALTERNATIVES FOR FLU
Disclaimer. Do not start taking any herbs, or other listed compounds before checking with your doctor and also doing a quick search to see if any medicines you are taking will interact adversely with any on this list. This is especially true for pregnant or nursing women, the very young and those with chronic medical conditions.
If traditional clinical medical help is unavailable, this section is devoted to preventing infection through traditional and non-traditional means, limiting the damage if infection occurs, and restoring health after infection.
The key to reducing morbidity and mortality is to understand the process of H5N1 infection. The following is a much-simplified version of the process. In the case of avian influenza, it isn't the virus which typically kills, but rather the body's response to the virus that causes death. The over-production of cytokines, commonly called a 'cytokine storm', is responsible for the vast majority of mortality. The body uses cytokines to control infection. Some cause inflammatory response and others reduce the response. Ideally, in a healthy individual the two are balanced. Pro-inflammatory cytokines originate with linoleic acids which are transformed into the omega-6 family of fatty acids, (IL-1) (IL-6) (TNF-a). There are other pro-inflammatories but for the sake of simplicity these will remain the focus. When you have too many pro-inflammatory cytokines in your system, they start to feed off each other and stimulate yet more production of pro-inflammatory cytokines. When this happens we have chronic inflammation. Or, in the case of a cytokine storm, a sudden, catastrophic production of these cytokines. Countering pro-inflammatory cytokines are anti-inflammatory cytokines. They originate from alpha linoleic acid (ALA). The body converts ALA to omega-3 fatty acids (EPA) and (DHA). Part of the cytokine storm's assault on the body is a disseminated intravasular coagulation.
Taubenberger described the H1N1 virus as replicating in staggering quantities and with incredible swiftness. The same process is found in the H5N1 virus etiology. In layman's terms, the virus makes copies of itself and then ruptures the cells being used as replication factories. Ruptured cell remnants begin to clog the bloodstream. This in turn initiates the clotting process. Fibrin threads are alerted to repair the damage and clot the wounds. These are small and incredibly tough strands. Normally, they function as a sticky net, but the number of cell pieces overwhelms the fibrin response. Instead of coming to one site and stopping the bleeding, the strands rush through the body acting like scythes, slicing tissue as they go, resulting in internal bloodletting. This then leads to a positive feedback loop: the start of a cytokine storm. More cells are cut and more fibrin is demanded, whereupon still more cells are cut. At some point the fibrin runs out and you bleed to death. Once this cascade starts, there is little that can be done to stop the process. Finally, part of the cytokine storm is evidenced by the release of free radicals. These include super oxide and nitric oxide. There are various methods to prepare the body to fight the virus prior to and during infection, to reduce the pro-inflammatory response mechanism, and to re-establish good health after infection through the use of vitamins, fatty acids, micro-nutrients,herbs and other supplements.
Before and During the Pandemic
There are some things you can do even before you see the first sign of a virus to increase the body's ability to fight off the disease. Vitamin and mineral supplementation is an obvious start to preparing yourself for possible infection. Other substances to include are the cranberry juice, the whole berries of barley, garlic, green tea. NAC is a valuable addition as its action is cumulative. Some attempt should be made to insure balance between omega-6 and omega-3. After, the virus has gone h2h and there is immediate danger of infection, resveratrol should be added to the daily list of substances.
Cranberry juice inhibits the viruses ability of adhesion to host cells. Drink daily to limit viral adnesion to human host cells.
Whole berry barley is an immunomodulator. Eat daily in multiple grain breakfast cereals (9-grain cereal is a good example), boiled barley salads, and hot side dishes.
Take a broad spectrum vitamin pill daily and supplement with a few specific vitamins and micro-nutrients. The purpose here is to reduce morbidity so finding the minimum daily requirement is not what we are looking for. Rather we are looking for the optimal requirement:
Vitamin A: Necessary for cell membrane stability. Deficiency impairs immunity. 10,000 units/day. Good sources include winter squash, carrots, sweet potatoes.
Vitamin B: Aids stress reduction, esp. B-12. Stress reduces the body's immune response.
Vitamin C: Helps prevent inflammation, prevents free radical damage. Found in citrus fruits, tomatoes. 1,000-2,000 mg/day.
Achieve a healthy balance of pro- and anti-inflammatory cytokines. Most Western diets are already high in the linoleic acids or omega-6 family of fatty acids. An increase in these would be counter-productive.
ALA is converted to omega-3 fatty acids (EPA) and (DHA)which are essential fatty acids. They lower cytokine destruction in tissues by increasing anti-inflammatory cytokines. Good sources of omega-3 fatty acids are found in cold water fish (mackerel, salmon, trout, tuna), flax seed, oregano oil, borage oil, and some green vegetables.
Omega 3, 3 g./day or, flax seed 2 tablespoons/day
Diets are frequently short of the following micro-nutrients because of soil deficiencies.
Zinc: Critical for immune function. A deficiency leads to an imbalance in pro/anti-inflammation cytokine production. A good source of zinc is pumpkin seeds. Zinc supplements should be taken on an empty stomach as food interferes with uptake. 10-25 mg./day
Selenium: Most populations are deficient in selenium. This is another necessary nutrient for cell function and immune response. Antioxidant, essential for healthy immune response. 90 mcg/day (never exceed 200 mcg/day because of toxicity)
N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC): A mucolytic, anti-oxidant. Loosens mucus, increases blood gas exchange and available oxygen. If you take this, you must drink 6-8 glasses of water/day to prevent the formation of cystein renal stones. 600 mg/2-3 x's/day
Herbal Supplements.
The following are valuable for their anti-viral activities. All may be started prior to infection and all should be taken after infection. The resveratrol must be ingested either before exposure or immediately after infection occurs.
Garlic: Contains allicin, a potent antiviral, immune booster. Fresh garlic contains far more allicin than does aged dry garlic. Three quarters of a teaspoon/day of fresh garlic. Or, for a typical dose of a commercial preparation 600-900 mg/day.
Green tea: antiviral, anti-diarrheal. 300-400 mg/day
Quercetin: antioxidant that inhibits adhesion of molecules during inflammation, anti-viral. 200-400 mg/2-3 x's/day
Ginger: Fights inflammation, reduces nausea, possibly useful as an anti-viral. 100mg/day
Resveratrol: This is a compound commonly found in raw peanuts (boil just prior to eating), red wines, esp. those using stressed grapes i.e. pinot noir and two herbs, Japanese knotweed (polygonum cuspidatum) and Chinese skullcap (scutellaria baicalensis). Resveratrol has shown significant ability to interfere with the viral replication process. Bioavailability is low when ingested (eaten or drunk). To keep plasma levels elevated it must be taken several times per day. Snacking on boiled peanuts throughout the day is one method. Resveratrol must be started either prior to infection or within 6 hours of infection to have any effect.
Curcumin: Is the most powerful herbal immunomodulatory supplement known. It significantly reduces the pro-inflammatory response. Bioavailability is low if taken alone. Caution: people suffering from gallbladder or stomach problems should be careful of use of curcumin. Also, it may cause bleeding in those using blood-thinners. 300-500 mg/day.
Curcumin taken in conjunction with biopiperin increases bioavailability. Biopiperine also increases the bioavailability of a number of other drugs. 300-500 mg/day of curcumin taken in conjunction with 5-10 mg./day of biopiperine. Do NOT exceed this amount of biopiperine due to toxicity. Some experts say that biopiperine is not necessary and that most of the studies done, used only curcumin and still indicated signiicant immunomodulation. (NOTE: Piperine is not recommended for use in people on beta-blockers, theophylline, anticonvulsants, barbiturates or narcotics!!!)
Recovery
Post-flu
Probiotics. Replaces gut flora lost or imbalanced due to illness.
All of the following modulate immune function. Some also trigger increases on the omega-6 or pro-inflammatory side of the immune equation. Because of this do not use these during H5N1 infection. Use after infection of H5N1 or during any other normal illness. Also, some of these should not be taken if you are at risk for, hormone-responsive cancers. Those include, licorice, astragalus, and reishi mushrooms.
Astragalus membranaceus. Typical dosage of astragalus is from 1500 to 3000 milligrams. Dosage should be divided into smaller does during the day rather than one large dose, or anywhere from 2 to 20 grams of the root, or a teaspoon of the tincture daily.
The following 4 are all members of the mushroom or fungi family. These are typically powdered and added to soups. One teaspoon/ cup of soup. Or, may be taken in capsule form.
Chitake (program prevents normal spelling, replace the C with an S, mushroom)
Cordyceps sinensis, (mushroom)
Ganoderma lucidium (Reishi, mushroom)
Grifola frondosa (Maitake, mushroom)
Bovine Lactoferrin (follow direction on package)
All of the following are herbs. Please check to see that none are contra-indicated before taking.
Echinacea Childrens dosage: Adjust by weight. Typically,
dosage is 1/2 the adult dosage over the age of 7 and 1/4 under the age of 7.
Use alcohol-free preparations for children.
Adult: 1 to 2 grams dried root or herb, as tea
2 to 3 mL of standardized tincture extract
200 mg of powdered extract containing 4% phenolics
Tincture (1:5): 1 to 3 mL (20 to 90 drops)
Licorice root:
Crushed Licorice Root: 5 to 15 grams (about 1-1/2 to 5 teaspoonfuls)
Licorice Extract: 0.5 to 1 gram for sinus and throat inflammations; 1.5 to 3 grams for ulcers
Licorice Tea: 1 cup after each meal
The following should be on everyones prep list unless you are allergic to the substance.
raw peanuts (boiled just prior to eating for resveratrol, anti-viral)
whole barley seeds (immunomodulator)
cranberry juice (inhibits adhesion of virus preventing replication)
pumpkin seeds (zinc source, immunomodulator)
garlic (anti-viral)
canned fish (immunomodulators)
tomato products (immunomodulator, vitamin C source)
either 9 or 6 grain hot cereal (B vitamin source and immunomodulator if the mix contains barley)
green or black tea (anti-viral, immunomodulator)
Willdo, turmeric dosing is included below...please also pay close attention to its drug interaction with warfarin (Coumadin).
THE LIST FOR HERBS AND ALTERNATIVES FOR FLU by Shannon
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11785
Default THE LIST FOR HERBS AND ALTERNATIVES FOR FLU
Disclaimer. Do not start taking any herbs, or other listed compounds before checking with your doctor and also doing a quick search to see if any medicines you are taking will interact adversely with any on this list. This is especially true for pregnant or nursing women, the very young and those with chronic medical conditions.
If traditional clinical medical help is unavailable, this section is devoted to preventing infection through traditional and non-traditional means, limiting the damage if infection occurs, and restoring health after infection.
The key to reducing morbidity and mortality is to understand the process of H5N1 infection. The following is a much-simplified version of the process. In the case of avian influenza, it isn't the virus which typically kills, but rather the body's response to the virus that causes death. The over-production of cytokines, commonly called a 'cytokine storm', is responsible for the vast majority of mortality. The body uses cytokines to control infection. Some cause inflammatory response and others reduce the response. Ideally, in a healthy individual the two are balanced. Pro-inflammatory cytokines originate with linoleic acids which are transformed into the omega-6 family of fatty acids, (IL-1) (IL-6) (TNF-a). There are other pro-inflammatories but for the sake of simplicity these will remain the focus. When you have too many pro-inflammatory cytokines in your system, they start to feed off each other and stimulate yet more production of pro-inflammatory cytokines. When this happens we have chronic inflammation. Or, in the case of a cytokine storm, a sudden, catastrophic production of these cytokines. Countering pro-inflammatory cytokines are anti-inflammatory cytokines. They originate from alpha linoleic acid (ALA). The body converts ALA to omega-3 fatty acids (EPA) and (DHA). Part of the cytokine storm's assault on the body is a disseminated intravasular coagulation.
Taubenberger described the H1N1 virus as replicating in staggering quantities and with incredible swiftness. The same process is found in the H5N1 virus etiology. In layman's terms, the virus makes copies of itself and then ruptures the cells being used as replication factories. Ruptured cell remnants begin to clog the bloodstream. This in turn initiates the clotting process. Fibrin threads are alerted to repair the damage and clot the wounds. These are small and incredibly tough strands. Normally, they function as a sticky net, but the number of cell pieces overwhelms the fibrin response. Instead of coming to one site and stopping the bleeding, the strands rush through the body acting like scythes, slicing tissue as they go, resulting in internal bloodletting. This then leads to a positive feedback loop: the start of a cytokine storm. More cells are cut and more fibrin is demanded, whereupon still more cells are cut. At some point the fibrin runs out and you bleed to death. Once this cascade starts, there is little that can be done to stop the process. Finally, part of the cytokine storm is evidenced by the release of free radicals. These include super oxide and nitric oxide. There are various methods to prepare the body to fight the virus prior to and during infection, to reduce the pro-inflammatory response mechanism, and to re-establish good health after infection through the use of vitamins, fatty acids, micro-nutrients,herbs and other supplements.
Before and During the Pandemic
There are some things you can do even before you see the first sign of a virus to increase the body's ability to fight off the disease. Vitamin and mineral supplementation is an obvious start to preparing yourself for possible infection. Other substances to include are the cranberry juice, the whole berries of barley, garlic, green tea. NAC is a valuable addition as its action is cumulative. Some attempt should be made to insure balance between omega-6 and omega-3. After, the virus has gone h2h and there is immediate danger of infection, resveratrol should be added to the daily list of substances.
Cranberry juice inhibits the viruses ability of adhesion to host cells. Drink daily to limit viral adnesion to human host cells.
Whole berry barley is an immunomodulator. Eat daily in multiple grain breakfast cereals (9-grain cereal is a good example), boiled barley salads, and hot side dishes.
Take a broad spectrum vitamin pill daily and supplement with a few specific vitamins and micro-nutrients. The purpose here is to reduce morbidity so finding the minimum daily requirement is not what we are looking for. Rather we are looking for the optimal requirement:
Vitamin A: Necessary for cell membrane stability. Deficiency impairs immunity. 10,000 units/day. Good sources include winter squash, carrots, sweet potatoes.
Vitamin B: Aids stress reduction, esp. B-12. Stress reduces the body's immune response.
Vitamin C: Helps prevent inflammation, prevents free radical damage. Found in citrus fruits, tomatoes. 1,000-2,000 mg/day.
Achieve a healthy balance of pro- and anti-inflammatory cytokines. Most Western diets are already high in the linoleic acids or omega-6 family of fatty acids. An increase in these would be counter-productive.
ALA is converted to omega-3 fatty acids (EPA) and (DHA)which are essential fatty acids. They lower cytokine destruction in tissues by increasing anti-inflammatory cytokines. Good sources of omega-3 fatty acids are found in cold water fish (mackerel, salmon, trout, tuna), flax seed, oregano oil, borage oil, and some green vegetables.
Omega 3, 3 g./day or, flax seed 2 tablespoons/day
Diets are frequently short of the following micro-nutrients because of soil deficiencies.
Zinc: Critical for immune function. A deficiency leads to an imbalance in pro/anti-inflammation cytokine production. A good source of zinc is pumpkin seeds. Zinc supplements should be taken on an empty stomach as food interferes with uptake. 10-25 mg./day
Selenium: Most populations are deficient in selenium. This is another necessary nutrient for cell function and immune response. Antioxidant, essential for healthy immune response. 90 mcg/day (never exceed 200 mcg/day because of toxicity)
N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC): A mucolytic, anti-oxidant. Loosens mucus, increases blood gas exchange and available oxygen. If you take this, you must drink 6-8 glasses of water/day to prevent the formation of cystein renal stones. 600 mg/2-3 x's/day
Herbal Supplements.
The following are valuable for their anti-viral activities. All may be started prior to infection and all should be taken after infection. The resveratrol must be ingested either before exposure or immediately after infection occurs.
Garlic: Contains allicin, a potent antiviral, immune booster. Fresh garlic contains far more allicin than does aged dry garlic. Three quarters of a teaspoon/day of fresh garlic. Or, for a typical dose of a commercial preparation 600-900 mg/day.
Green tea: antiviral, anti-diarrheal. 300-400 mg/day
Quercetin: antioxidant that inhibits adhesion of molecules during inflammation, anti-viral. 200-400 mg/2-3 x's/day
Ginger: Fights inflammation, reduces nausea, possibly useful as an anti-viral. 100mg/day
Resveratrol: This is a compound commonly found in raw peanuts (boil just prior to eating), red wines, esp. those using stressed grapes i.e. pinot noir and two herbs, Japanese knotweed (polygonum cuspidatum) and Chinese skullcap (scutellaria baicalensis). Resveratrol has shown significant ability to interfere with the viral replication process. Bioavailability is low when ingested (eaten or drunk). To keep plasma levels elevated it must be taken several times per day. Snacking on boiled peanuts throughout the day is one method. Resveratrol must be started either prior to infection or within 6 hours of infection to have any effect.
Curcumin: Is the most powerful herbal immunomodulatory supplement known. It significantly reduces the pro-inflammatory response. Bioavailability is low if taken alone. Caution: people suffering from gallbladder or stomach problems should be careful of use of curcumin. Also, it may cause bleeding in those using blood-thinners. 300-500 mg/day.
Curcumin taken in conjunction with biopiperin increases bioavailability. Biopiperine also increases the bioavailability of a number of other drugs. 300-500 mg/day of curcumin taken in conjunction with 5-10 mg./day of biopiperine. Do NOT exceed this amount of biopiperine due to toxicity. Some experts say that biopiperine is not necessary and that most of the studies done, used only curcumin and still indicated signiicant immunomodulation. (NOTE: Piperine is not recommended for use in people on beta-blockers, theophylline, anticonvulsants, barbiturates or narcotics!!!)
Recovery
Post-flu
Probiotics. Replaces gut flora lost or imbalanced due to illness.
All of the following modulate immune function. Some also trigger increases on the omega-6 or pro-inflammatory side of the immune equation. Because of this do not use these during H5N1 infection. Use after infection of H5N1 or during any other normal illness. Also, some of these should not be taken if you are at risk for, hormone-responsive cancers. Those include, licorice, astragalus, and reishi mushrooms.
Astragalus membranaceus. Typical dosage of astragalus is from 1500 to 3000 milligrams. Dosage should be divided into smaller does during the day rather than one large dose, or anywhere from 2 to 20 grams of the root, or a teaspoon of the tincture daily.
The following 4 are all members of the mushroom or fungi family. These are typically powdered and added to soups. One teaspoon/ cup of soup. Or, may be taken in capsule form.
Chitake (program prevents normal spelling, replace the C with an S, mushroom)
Cordyceps sinensis, (mushroom)
Ganoderma lucidium (Reishi, mushroom)
Grifola frondosa (Maitake, mushroom)
Bovine Lactoferrin (follow direction on package)
All of the following are herbs. Please check to see that none are contra-indicated before taking.
Echinacea Childrens dosage: Adjust by weight. Typically,
dosage is 1/2 the adult dosage over the age of 7 and 1/4 under the age of 7.
Use alcohol-free preparations for children.
Adult: 1 to 2 grams dried root or herb, as tea
2 to 3 mL of standardized tincture extract
200 mg of powdered extract containing 4% phenolics
Tincture (1:5): 1 to 3 mL (20 to 90 drops)
Licorice root:
Crushed Licorice Root: 5 to 15 grams (about 1-1/2 to 5 teaspoonfuls)
Licorice Extract: 0.5 to 1 gram for sinus and throat inflammations; 1.5 to 3 grams for ulcers
Licorice Tea: 1 cup after each meal
The following should be on everyones prep list unless you are allergic to the substance.
raw peanuts (boiled just prior to eating for resveratrol, anti-viral)
whole barley seeds (immunomodulator)
cranberry juice (inhibits adhesion of virus preventing replication)
pumpkin seeds (zinc source, immunomodulator)
garlic (anti-viral)
canned fish (immunomodulators)
tomato products (immunomodulator, vitamin C source)
either 9 or 6 grain hot cereal (B vitamin source and immunomodulator if the mix contains barley)
green or black tea (anti-viral, immunomodulator)
Sky
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Mexico flu: Your experiences
Readers in Mexico have been emailing the BBC describing the sense of fear gripping the country as a result of a flu virus outbreak, which has so far claimed up to 60 lives.
Read a selection of BBC readers' comments below.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/8018428.stm
Readers in Mexico have been emailing the BBC describing the sense of fear gripping the country as a result of a flu virus outbreak, which has so far claimed up to 60 lives.
Read a selection of BBC readers' comments below.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/8018428.stm
dissimulo
Membership Revoked
http://www.eluniversal.com/2009/04/25/int_ava_mexico-reporta-61-mu_25A2306211.shtml
Mexico reports 61 probable deaths from swine flu in addition to 20 confirmed
08:07 p.m. Mexico. - The Mexican government elevated to 61 the number of deaths probably caused by swine flu in addition to the 20 confirmed cases, while 1,324 patients are under medical watch, the Mexican Secretary of Health, Jose Angel Cordoba, said on Saturday.
Since the 13th of April "81 probable deaths due to the virus have been registered, of which only 20 cases are verified," Cordoba said in a press conference after holding a meeting with the country's health authorities.
Through Friday, the Mexican government studied 48 deaths that could be attributed to swine flu, a number to which 13 new cases were added in the last the 24 hours, reported AFP.
He explained that after sending the alert Thursday night regarding the swine flu epidemic, medical interventions have multiplied and "1,324 patients have been or are at the moment in study to determine if they correspond to the symptoms," of this new virus.
The minister announced that the suspension of all levels of classes in Mexico City and State of Mexico schools, in force since this past Friday, will continue and they will be started again Wednesday, May 6th, while also adding San Luis Potosí, the third district affected by this disease.
Cordoba also exhorted all sectors of society to contribute in the prevention of contagion "by means of the total suspension of events in open or closed spaces of any type, like centers of religion, stadiums, theaters, cinemas, bars and dance halls where people gather."
The minister explained that the majority of the deaths have taken place in people "of productive age, between 20 and 45 years," which distinguishes this swine flu from traditional influenza, which mainly affects children and older people.
He added that as of this Sunday radio and television stations that are under the trusteeship of the government will make special transmissions to inform the populace.
The Secretary of Labor, Javier Lozano, requested understanding of probable absences or delays of workers, especially of women, who must solve in addition the problem of children who do not go to school.
"I am asking to the patrons, to the employers, that they be understanding, sensible facing this emergency situation, it is temporary (...) Try to avoid physical contagion as much as possible," Lozano said.
The WHO alerted this Saturday that the swine flu has "pandemic potential," meanwhile, in the United States two new cases were confirmed totaling 10 infections without death.
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México reporta 61 muertes probables por gripe porcina además de 20 confirmadas
08:07 PM México.- El gobierno mexicano elevó a 61 el número de muertes probablemente causadas por la gripe porcina además de los 20 decesos confirmados, mientras 1.324 pacientes están en estudio médico, informó el sábado el secretario mexicano de Salud, José Angel Cordóva.
Desde el 13 de abril "se han registrado 81 defunciones probablemente vinculadas al virus, de las cuales sólo 20 casos se tiene comprobación virológica", dijo Córdova en rueda de prensa luego de celebrar una reunión con autoridades sanitarias de todo el país.
Hasta el viernes, el gobierno mexicano estudiaba 48 muertes que podrían ser atribuidas a la gripe porcina, cifra a la que se sumaron 13 nuevos casos en las últimas 24 horas, reportó AFP.
Explicó que luego de la alerta lanzada la noche del jueves por esta epidemia de gripe porcina, los servicios de atención médica se han multiplicado y "1.324 pacientes han estado o están actualmente en estudio para determinar si corresponde a la enfermedad" de este nuevo virus.
El ministro anunció que la suspensión de clases de todos los niveles en escuelas de la Ciudad de México y el Estado de México, en vigor desde el pasado viernes, se mantiene y se reanudarán las clases el miércoles 6 de mayo, además de añadir a San Luis Potosí, el tercer distrito más afectado por esta enfermedad.
Córdova también exhortó a los sectores de la sociedad a contribuir en la prevención del contagio "mediante la suspensión total de eventos en espacios cerrados o abiertos de cualquier tipo, como centros de culto religioso, estadios, teatros, cines, bares y discotecas donde se generen aglomeraciones".
El ministro explicó que la mayoría de los fallecimientos se han producido en población "en edad productiva, de entre los 20 y los 45 años", lo que distingue a este gripe porcina de la influenza tradicional, que afecta principalmente a niños y ancianos.
Añadió que a partir de este domingo en estaciones de televisión y de radio que están bajo la tutela del gobierno realizarán transmisiones especiales para informar a la sociedad.
El secretario del Trabajo, Javier Lozano, pidió de su lado comprensión ante probables ausencias o retrasos de trabajadores, en especial del sexo femenino que deben resolver además la problemática de sus hijos que no acuden a la escuela.
"Estoy solicitando a los patrones, a los empleadores, que sean comprensibles, sensibles frente a esta situación de emergencia, es temporal (...) Se trata de evitar el contagio físico en la medida de lo posible", dijo Lozano.
La OMS alertó este sábado que la gripe porcina tiene un "potencial pandémico", mientras que en Estados Unidos se confirmaron dos nuevos casos para sumar 10 contagios sin defunciones.
http://www.eluniversal.com/2009/04/25/int_ava_mexico-reporta-61-mu_25A2306211.shtml
Mexico reports 61 probable deaths from swine flu in addition to 20 confirmed
08:07 p.m. Mexico. - The Mexican government elevated to 61 the number of deaths probably caused by swine flu in addition to the 20 confirmed cases, while 1,324 patients are under medical watch, the Mexican Secretary of Health, Jose Angel Cordoba, said on Saturday.
Since the 13th of April "81 probable deaths due to the virus have been registered, of which only 20 cases are verified," Cordoba said in a press conference after holding a meeting with the country's health authorities.
Through Friday, the Mexican government studied 48 deaths that could be attributed to swine flu, a number to which 13 new cases were added in the last the 24 hours, reported AFP.
He explained that after sending the alert Thursday night regarding the swine flu epidemic, medical interventions have multiplied and "1,324 patients have been or are at the moment in study to determine if they correspond to the symptoms," of this new virus.
The minister announced that the suspension of all levels of classes in Mexico City and State of Mexico schools, in force since this past Friday, will continue and they will be started again Wednesday, May 6th, while also adding San Luis Potosí, the third district affected by this disease.
Cordoba also exhorted all sectors of society to contribute in the prevention of contagion "by means of the total suspension of events in open or closed spaces of any type, like centers of religion, stadiums, theaters, cinemas, bars and dance halls where people gather."
The minister explained that the majority of the deaths have taken place in people "of productive age, between 20 and 45 years," which distinguishes this swine flu from traditional influenza, which mainly affects children and older people.
He added that as of this Sunday radio and television stations that are under the trusteeship of the government will make special transmissions to inform the populace.
The Secretary of Labor, Javier Lozano, requested understanding of probable absences or delays of workers, especially of women, who must solve in addition the problem of children who do not go to school.
"I am asking to the patrons, to the employers, that they be understanding, sensible facing this emergency situation, it is temporary (...) Try to avoid physical contagion as much as possible," Lozano said.
The WHO alerted this Saturday that the swine flu has "pandemic potential," meanwhile, in the United States two new cases were confirmed totaling 10 infections without death.
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México reporta 61 muertes probables por gripe porcina además de 20 confirmadas
08:07 PM México.- El gobierno mexicano elevó a 61 el número de muertes probablemente causadas por la gripe porcina además de los 20 decesos confirmados, mientras 1.324 pacientes están en estudio médico, informó el sábado el secretario mexicano de Salud, José Angel Cordóva.
Desde el 13 de abril "se han registrado 81 defunciones probablemente vinculadas al virus, de las cuales sólo 20 casos se tiene comprobación virológica", dijo Córdova en rueda de prensa luego de celebrar una reunión con autoridades sanitarias de todo el país.
Hasta el viernes, el gobierno mexicano estudiaba 48 muertes que podrían ser atribuidas a la gripe porcina, cifra a la que se sumaron 13 nuevos casos en las últimas 24 horas, reportó AFP.
Explicó que luego de la alerta lanzada la noche del jueves por esta epidemia de gripe porcina, los servicios de atención médica se han multiplicado y "1.324 pacientes han estado o están actualmente en estudio para determinar si corresponde a la enfermedad" de este nuevo virus.
El ministro anunció que la suspensión de clases de todos los niveles en escuelas de la Ciudad de México y el Estado de México, en vigor desde el pasado viernes, se mantiene y se reanudarán las clases el miércoles 6 de mayo, además de añadir a San Luis Potosí, el tercer distrito más afectado por esta enfermedad.
Córdova también exhortó a los sectores de la sociedad a contribuir en la prevención del contagio "mediante la suspensión total de eventos en espacios cerrados o abiertos de cualquier tipo, como centros de culto religioso, estadios, teatros, cines, bares y discotecas donde se generen aglomeraciones".
El ministro explicó que la mayoría de los fallecimientos se han producido en población "en edad productiva, de entre los 20 y los 45 años", lo que distingue a este gripe porcina de la influenza tradicional, que afecta principalmente a niños y ancianos.
Añadió que a partir de este domingo en estaciones de televisión y de radio que están bajo la tutela del gobierno realizarán transmisiones especiales para informar a la sociedad.
El secretario del Trabajo, Javier Lozano, pidió de su lado comprensión ante probables ausencias o retrasos de trabajadores, en especial del sexo femenino que deben resolver además la problemática de sus hijos que no acuden a la escuela.
"Estoy solicitando a los patrones, a los empleadores, que sean comprensibles, sensibles frente a esta situación de emergencia, es temporal (...) Se trata de evitar el contagio físico en la medida de lo posible", dijo Lozano.
La OMS alertó este sábado que la gripe porcina tiene un "potencial pandémico", mientras que en Estados Unidos se confirmaron dos nuevos casos para sumar 10 contagios sin defunciones.
http://www.eluniversal.com/2009/04/25/int_ava_mexico-reporta-61-mu_25A2306211.shtml
Volleyball Granny
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SAMBUCOL
OK...I ordered some, too. But did the 5-10 day shipping.
There was a woman at our HEB this evening who went around the store with a scarf over her mouth, breathing through her mouth. When she got near people, she pulled the scarf up over her nose, too.
What would you think when you saw an obviously Hispanic woman pushing a cart of water and canned goods with a scarf over her nose? OK...she had some other stuff in the cart, too. But the scarf, and the way she avoided people, made a pretty big impact on us.
After some thought, we realized that there is a strong possibility that the bushes alongside the garage (that we thought were weeds, but pretty) may be elderberries. The flowers and the berries look the same as the pics of elderberries. I will pick some of the leaves tomorrow and see if they really match the pictures. Hmmm...now I just need some vodka!
OK...I ordered some, too. But did the 5-10 day shipping.
There was a woman at our HEB this evening who went around the store with a scarf over her mouth, breathing through her mouth. When she got near people, she pulled the scarf up over her nose, too.
What would you think when you saw an obviously Hispanic woman pushing a cart of water and canned goods with a scarf over her nose? OK...she had some other stuff in the cart, too. But the scarf, and the way she avoided people, made a pretty big impact on us.
After some thought, we realized that there is a strong possibility that the bushes alongside the garage (that we thought were weeds, but pretty) may be elderberries. The flowers and the berries look the same as the pics of elderberries. I will pick some of the leaves tomorrow and see if they really match the pictures. Hmmm...now I just need some vodka!
I think he is referring to the flu shot, that's the case with most articles.
Glad you got some, Granny, and I'd think the same of the woman in the store, you didn't breathe near her did ya?
Just for you Hansa, I think I got called a selfish racist for suggesting the same, LOL:
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/lawmaker-wants-border-closed-over-swine-flu-2009-04-25.html
sherbar thanks for the excellent info
I ordered the curcumin and biopiperine...it's not cheap...but it sounds like it works...lots of testimonies online. I think I have most of the more common suggestions except for the raw peanuts...I feel more prepared now, hope we don't have a need to use it.
I ordered the curcumin and biopiperine...it's not cheap...but it sounds like it works...lots of testimonies online. I think I have most of the more common suggestions except for the raw peanuts...I feel more prepared now, hope we don't have a need to use it.
Check this out, the whole thing is a good read, but read the bolded part and compare it to the next article:
http://blogs.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2009/04/behind-the-scen.html
Compared to this, as has been repeated over and over again in various forms in the msm:
http://www.detnews.com/article/20090425/NATION/904250413/1020/U.S.+slow+to+learn+of+Mexico+flu
We obviously weren't slow to know, funny that, because if it weren't for the Canadian advisory, we still may not have known.
http://blogs.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2009/04/behind-the-scen.html
Compared to this, as has been repeated over and over again in various forms in the msm:
http://www.detnews.com/article/20090425/NATION/904250413/1020/U.S.+slow+to+learn+of+Mexico+flu
We obviously weren't slow to know, funny that, because if it weren't for the Canadian advisory, we still may not have known.
Navydad
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Jesus Alcazar / EPA
Mexican pedestrians and motorists wait at the Ciudad Juarez crossing amid delays as U.S. authorities try to screen for possible swine flu cases. Health officials fear a global pandemic if the virus is found to transmit easily among humans.There is an excellent two page updated article at the link. Too long to copy and paste.
http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-fg-mexico-swineflu26-2009apr26,0,389929.story
Sky
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New Zealand.
Reports of flu outbreak in New Zealand. 22 students may have been infected after a trip to Mexico. BNO trying to confirm.
http://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status/1618662261
Reports of flu outbreak in New Zealand. 22 students may have been infected after a trip to Mexico. BNO trying to confirm.
http://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status/1618662261
Hansa44
Justine Case
After reading this.....
There is NO WAY our gov. didn't know about what was happening in Mexico. Or here!
Navydad
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TVNZ: The students, believed to be senior students, arrived back to New Zealand via LAX on Saturday, after a language trip to Mexico.
Well that alone will spread it around the world.
http://twitter.com/BreakingNews
ETA: OK I will say it QUARANTINE MEXICO
Well that alone will spread it around the world.
http://twitter.com/BreakingNews
ETA: OK I will say it QUARANTINE MEXICO
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Updating to include Auckland, New Zealand.
Interesting that Dad's article from the latimes shows there are 16 Mexican states with confirmed or suspected cases (doesn't list them though), as of today, our list has 10.
Including the snip and source for reference -- http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-fg-mexico-swineflu26-2009apr26,0,389929.story
Mexico
-- Mexico City
-- Mexico State
-- Veracruz
-- Oaxaca
-- Baja California
-- San Luis Potosi
-- Sonora
-- Hidalgo
-- Chihuahua
-- Tlaxcala
Canada
Chile
Columbia
Texas
California
Kansas
New York
Minnesota
Massachusetts
UK Crew
Auckland, New Zealand
Any place I missed?
Interesting that Dad's article from the latimes shows there are 16 Mexican states with confirmed or suspected cases (doesn't list them though), as of today, our list has 10.
Including the snip and source for reference -- http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-fg-mexico-swineflu26-2009apr26,0,389929.story
Mexico
-- Mexico City
-- Mexico State
-- Veracruz
-- Oaxaca
-- Baja California
-- San Luis Potosi
-- Sonora
-- Hidalgo
-- Chihuahua
-- Tlaxcala
Canada
Chile
Columbia
Texas
California
Kansas
New York
Minnesota
Massachusetts
UK Crew
Auckland, New Zealand
Any place I missed?
Sky
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Breaking News- A health expert tells Upfront News "You can get this (Swine flu) from handling RAW pork" 
http://twitter.com/livenewsupfront/status/1617640687
http://twitter.com/livenewsupfront/status/1617640687
Sky
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TVNZ: The students, believed to be senior students, arrived back to New Zealand via LAX on Saturday, after a language trip to Mexico.
Well that alone will spread it around the world.
http://twitter.com/BreakingNews
ETA: OK I will say it QUARANTEAN MEXICO
Doesn't seem to be anyway to stop this train now
hope this flu just fizzles on it's ownAgreed.
So, why would BO go over there in the midst of it schmoozing and breathing with the dead the next day dignataries?
mscoffee
Veteran Member
Breaking News- A health expert tells Upfront News "You can get this (Swine flu) from handling RAW pork"
http://twitter.com/livenewsupfront/status/1617640687
Gulp......... I cooked up pork ribs yesterday
Volleyball Granny
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Sambu Guard and Facemasks
The only elderberry concoction that our local HEB (health food department) had was Dr. Dinner's Sambu Guard. It is mostly elderberry, but has echinacea and vitamin C in it, too. Even though the mixture has echinacea, I think I'm going to stuff the kids full of it until this thing is over (or my other stuff comes in the mail).
I worry a bit about my daughter--going off to school in a building with about 3,000 other students (and roughly half of them Hispanics with strong ties to Mexico). My son works in a game store--lots of traffic through there. I teach school, but it's a small school...still with lots of Hispanic students whose families go back and forth to Mexico like we go back and forth to Galveston. I don't know if I'll take it myself...one of the ingredients is honey and I'm violently allergic to it. I will probably have to wait for the internet order to be delivered. (I can see myself carrying around a can of Pursue at school--that stuff kills everything!)
Someone posted a link to face masks...I looked for it and couldn't find it. Does anyone remember where it was?
The only elderberry concoction that our local HEB (health food department) had was Dr. Dinner's Sambu Guard. It is mostly elderberry, but has echinacea and vitamin C in it, too. Even though the mixture has echinacea, I think I'm going to stuff the kids full of it until this thing is over (or my other stuff comes in the mail).
I worry a bit about my daughter--going off to school in a building with about 3,000 other students (and roughly half of them Hispanics with strong ties to Mexico). My son works in a game store--lots of traffic through there. I teach school, but it's a small school...still with lots of Hispanic students whose families go back and forth to Mexico like we go back and forth to Galveston. I don't know if I'll take it myself...one of the ingredients is honey and I'm violently allergic to it. I will probably have to wait for the internet order to be delivered. (I can see myself carrying around a can of Pursue at school--that stuff kills everything!)
Someone posted a link to face masks...I looked for it and couldn't find it. Does anyone remember where it was?
Probable swine flu death toll reaches 81 in Mexico
An outbreak of swine flu in Mexico may have killed up to 81 people so far this month while more than 1,300 were suspected to be infected, Health Minister Jose Angel Cordova said late Saturday.
Since April 13, "there have been 81 registered deaths which are probably linked to the virus, of which only 20 cases have virological checks," Cordova told a news conference after meeting with health officials from across the country.
He said a total of 13 new cases were reported in the past 24 hours, bringing the total number of patients with flu symptoms under investigation to 1,324.
According to the World Health Organization, the virus from 12 of the Mexican patients is genetically the same as a new strain of swine flu, designated H1N1, a mixture of swine, human and avian flu viruses.
Cordova also announced to extend the school closures in Mexico City, neighboring Mexico state and the northern state of San Luis Potosi with swine flu outbreaks, for more than 10 days till May 6.
On Friday, the Mexican Army distributed 6 million face masks to citizens in Mexico City. Information stations were also established in the capital to provide precautionary measures to citizens.
Mexican authorities have cancelled hundreds of public events in the capital to prevent the further infections. The Diving world series 2009 and several football matches were forced to be held behind close doors.
In the U.S., health authorities have confirmed 11 cases of swine flu in Kansas, Texas and California. Eight suspected patients were also found in New York City.
WHO declared the outbreak a "public health emergency of international concern" on Saturday.
Source:Xinhua
An outbreak of swine flu in Mexico may have killed up to 81 people so far this month while more than 1,300 were suspected to be infected, Health Minister Jose Angel Cordova said late Saturday.
Medical team members wear masks as they walk in downtown Mexico City, capital of Mexico, April 25, 2009.
Since April 13, "there have been 81 registered deaths which are probably linked to the virus, of which only 20 cases have virological checks," Cordova told a news conference after meeting with health officials from across the country.
He said a total of 13 new cases were reported in the past 24 hours, bringing the total number of patients with flu symptoms under investigation to 1,324.
According to the World Health Organization, the virus from 12 of the Mexican patients is genetically the same as a new strain of swine flu, designated H1N1, a mixture of swine, human and avian flu viruses.
A woman puts on mask for her child to prevent from being infected by the swine flu virus in the Mexico City, capital of Mexico, April 25, 2009.
Cordova also announced to extend the school closures in Mexico City, neighboring Mexico state and the northern state of San Luis Potosi with swine flu outbreaks, for more than 10 days till May 6.
On Friday, the Mexican Army distributed 6 million face masks to citizens in Mexico City. Information stations were also established in the capital to provide precautionary measures to citizens.
Mexican authorities have cancelled hundreds of public events in the capital to prevent the further infections. The Diving world series 2009 and several football matches were forced to be held behind close doors.
In the U.S., health authorities have confirmed 11 cases of swine flu in Kansas, Texas and California. Eight suspected patients were also found in New York City.
WHO declared the outbreak a "public health emergency of international concern" on Saturday.
Source:Xinhua