Gonzales, Mueller admit FBI broke law in looking for evildoers

Fred

Middle of the road
I dedicate this thread to those who believe only terrorists ever have anything to fear.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/09/ap/politics/main2555628.shtml

Gonzales, Mueller Admit FBI Broke Law
Gonzales, Mueller Apologize For FBI's Secret, Illegal Intrusions Into Americans' Lives

(AP) The nation's top two law enforcement officials acknowledged Friday the FBI broke the law to secretly pry out personal information about Americans. They apologized and vowed to prevent further illegal intrusions.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales left open the possibility of pursuing criminal charges against FBI agents or lawyers who improperly used the USA Patriot Act in pursuit of suspected terrorists and spies.

The FBI's transgressions were spelled out in a damning 126-page audit by Justice Department Inspector General Glenn A. Fine. He found that agents sometimes demanded personal data on people without official authorization, and in other cases improperly obtained telephone records in non-emergency circumstances.

The audit also concluded that the FBI for three years underreported to Congress how often it used national security letters to ask businesses to turn over customer data. The letters are administrative subpoenas that do not require a judge's approval.

"People have to believe in what we say," Gonzales said. "And so I think this was very upsetting to me. And it's frustrating."

"We have some work to do to reassure members of Congress and the American people that we are serious about being responsible in the exercise of these authorities," he said.

Under the Patriot Act, the national security letters give the FBI authority to demand that telephone companies, Internet service providers, banks, credit bureaus and other businesses produce personal records about their customers or subscribers. About three-fourths of the letters issued between 2003 and 2005 involved counterterror cases, with the rest for espionage investigations, the audit reported.

Shoddy record-keeping and human error were to blame for the bulk of the problems, said Justice auditors, who were careful to note they found no indication of criminal misconduct.

Still, "we believe the improper or illegal uses we found involve serious misuses of national security letter authorities," the audit concluded.

FBI Director Robert S. Mueller said many of the problems were being fixed, including by building a better internal data collection system and training employees on the limits of their authority. The FBI has also scrapped the use of "exigent letters," which were used to gather information without the signed permission of an authorized official.

"But the question should and must be asked: How could this happen? Who is accountable?" Mueller said. "And the answer to that is, I am to be held accountable."

Mueller said he had not been asked to resign, nor had he discussed doing so with other officials. He said employees would probably face disciplinary actions, not criminal charges, following an internal investigation of how the violations occurred.

The audit incensed lawmakers in Congress already seething over the recent dismissals of eight U.S. attorneys. Democrats who lead House and Senate judiciary and intelligence oversight panels promised hearings on the findings. Several lawmakers _ Republicans and Democrats alike _ raised the possibility of scaling back the FBI's authority.

"It's up to Congress to end these abuses as soon as possible," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., who sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee. "The Patriot Act was never intended to allow the Bush administration to violate fundamental constitutional rights."

Rep. Pete Hoekstra, top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said the audit shows "a major failure by Justice to uphold the law."

"If the Justice Department is going to enforce the law, it must follow it as well," said Hoekstra, of Michigan.

The American Civil Liberties Union said the audit proves Congress must amend the Patriot Act to require judicial approval anytime the FBI wants access to sensitive personal information.

"The attorney general and the FBI are part of the problem, and they cannot be trustd to be part of the solution," said ACLU's executive director, Anthony D. Romero.

Both Gonzales and Mueller called the national security letters vital tools in pursuing terrorists and spies in the United States. "They are the bread and butter of our investigations," Mueller said.

Gonzales asked the inspector general to issue a follow-up audit in July on whether the FBI had followed recommendations to fix the problems.

Fine's annual review is required by Congress, over the objections of the Bush administration. It concluded that the number of national security letters requested by the FBI skyrocketed in the years after the Patriot Act became law. Each letter issued may contain several requests.

In 2000, for example, the FBI issued an estimated 8,500 requests. That number peaked in 2004 with 56,000. Overall, the FBI reported issuing 143,074 requests in national security letters between 2003 and 2005.

But that did not include an additional 8,850 requests that were never recorded in the FBI's database, the audit found. A sample review of 77 case files at four FBI field offices showed that agents had underreported the number of national security letter requests by about 22 percent.

Additionally, the audit found, the FBI identified 26 possible violations in its use of the letters, including failing to get proper authorization, making improper requests under the law and unauthorized collection of telephone or Internet e-mail records.

The FBI also used exigent letters to quickly get information _ sometimes in non-emergency situations _ without going through proper channels. In at least 700 cases, these letters were sent to three telephone companies to get billing records and subscriber information, the audit found.
 

shakytoad

Inactive
The nation's top two law enforcement officials acknowledged Friday the FBI broke the law to secretly pry out personal information about Americans. They apologized and vowed to prevent further illegal intrusions.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales left open the possibility of pursuing criminal charges against FBI agents or lawyers who improperly used the USA Patriot Actin pursuit of suspected terrorists and spies.

"Vowed"... Bwahahahah I take a lot of stock in such "Vows"....


"Improperly used the Patriot Act?" The Patriot Act is improper, and designed for the abuse of power.
 

rodeorector

Global Moderator
Now lets see..........who's going to go after them like they went after our border cops? The law is the law, you know. No mercy no matter how good your intentions.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
ok. they broke the law. just a question here though - considering that they just MAY have been erring on the side of caution, and didn't want a potential bad guy to get through the cracks:

did anybody get hurt?
 

Troke

Deceased
"..."Improperly used the Patriot Act?" The Patriot Act is improper, and designed for the abuse of power.."

Them boys got into this jam because they believed what everybody on the Forum believes, that the Patriot Act gave them carte blanche to do anything.

Turned out they were wrong.

And so are a lot of people on this Forum.
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
"..."Improperly used the Patriot Act?" The Patriot Act is improper, and designed for the abuse of power.."

Them boys got into this jam because they believed what everybody on the Forum believes, that the Patriot Act gave them carte blanche to do anything.

Turned out they were wrong.

And so are a lot of people on this Forum.

Unfortunately this will be a slap on the wrist for the FBI. Until congress repeals appropriate portions of the patriot act the problem will remain and will only grow worse.
 

deja

Inactive
"..."Improperly used the Patriot Act?" The Patriot Act is improper, and designed for the abuse of power.."

Them boys got into this jam because they believed what everybody on the Forum believes, that the Patriot Act gave them carte blanche to do anything.

Turned out they were wrong.

And so are a lot of people on this Forum.

I agree.

And jed..........did anybody get hurt?.............ONLY EVERY AMERICAN'S RIGHTS..... :mad:

I warned people here & they all thought the Patriot Acts 1 & 2 were necessary. :dstrs: :lkick:
 

fredkc

Retired Class Clown
did anybody get hurt?

Not trying to pick any sort of personal fight here, but that a step down a "slippery slope" from the usual question, "Who's rights have been violated?"

My partner and I have, to this day, not told a soul involved what happened to their information. To do so would, I believe, be a felony under the Un_Patriot Act.

To this day I am still called a liar when I mention this. I will mention it again because whether I'm believed or not, it's the truth of what happened.

It was May of 2003. My partner, who lives some 50 miles from me, awoke at 6 AM to a knock on the door, and 4 FBI agents standing in his front lawn. They picked him over me, simply because he was only a mile from where our servers were housed.

They took him into "custody" and escorted him to the server. He was only released after the entire contents of our server were successfully copied off onto a system of their own. No search warrant, no paperwork whatsoever was displayed. Simply give us a copy, or go to jail and we'll still get a copy.

Without warrant they walked off with the online business records of at least 3 companies, and their business email. They also took away all our files on the server and the personal email of some 25-30 other people. All this requires a warrant, BY THE WAY, unless they say the secret word "terrorism", giving you no proof of same, or even a recourse to be sure.

Their "vow" is worthless to me as well. They have carried on like this for 5 years now, and from what I can see, rarely in good faith.

Like-wise I've been saying from Day One the UnPatriot Act isn't about terrorism, it's about Me n Thee. Only thing I'm suprised about is they haven't threatened to arrest CBS News or Inspector General Glenn A. Fine.
 

Worrier King

Inactive
Bob Dylan once said: "To live outside the law you must be honest."
Except that theory doesn't work when the ones living "outside the law" are running the country.

That people can still remain so blind to what's going on with this government and their manipulations of "law" in this nation.... all I can figure is they are living in the past yet, in some traditional version of a America in their mind that, here in the real world, is long gone. :shk:
 
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