CRIME The Petraeus debacle just keeps getting worse - UPDATE, post #93, 159(!!!)

Troke

Deceased
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/11/more-on-the-timing-of-petraeuss-resignation.php

Ronald Kessler of Newsmax has more details on the Petraeus affair. They are rather sordid, and raise more questions about the timing of his resignation:

[A]n FBI source says the investigation began when American intelligence mistook an email Petraeus had sent to his girlfriend as a reference to corruption. Petraeus was commander of U.S. Forces in Afghanistan from July 4, 2010 until July 18, 2011.

The investigation began last spring, but the FBI then pored over his emails when he was stationed in Afghanistan. …

Given his top secret clearance and the fact that Petraeus is married, the FBI continued to investigate and intercept Petraeus’ email exchanges with the woman. The emails include sexually explicit references to such items as sex under a desk.

Perhaps this one?

At some point after Petraeus was sworn in as CIA director on Sept. 6, 2011, the woman broke up with him. However, Petraeus continued to pursue her, sending her thousands of emails over the last several months, raising even more questions about his judgment.

“Thousands of emails” over “several months”? If “thousands” means two thousand, and “several” means three, we’d be talking about more than 20 emails per day. Ouch.

FBI agents on the case expected that Petraeus would be asked to resign immediately rather than risk the possibility that he could be blackmailed to give intelligence secrets to foreign intelligence agencies or criminals. In addition, his pursuit of the woman could have distracted him as the CIA was giving Congress reports on the attack on the Benghazi consulate on Sept. 11.

Right, emailing her was turning into a full-time job.

Still, the White House, with concurrence by the FBI and Justice Department, held off on asking for Petraeus’ resignation until after the election. His resignation occurred three days after the election, avoiding the possibility that Obama’s ill-fated appointment of Petraeus could become an issue in the election.

FBI agents on the case were aware that such a decision had been made to hold off on forcing him out until after the election and were outraged.

“The decision was made to delay the resignation apparently to avoid potential embarrassment to the president before the election,” an FBI source says. “To leave him in such a sensitive position where he was vulnerable to potential blackmail for months compromised our security and is inexcusable.”

Seems like a fair assessment. One wonders what other shoes will drop, now that the election is over.
 

Mzkitty

I give up.
It still doesn't make sense:

[A]n FBI source says the investigation began when American intelligence mistook an email Petraeus had sent to his girlfriend as a reference to corruption. Petraeus was commander of U.S. Forces in Afghanistan from July 4, 2010 until July 18, 2011.

The investigation began last spring, but the FBI then pored over his emails when he was stationed in Afghanistan. …

At some point after Petraeus was sworn in as CIA director on Sept. 6, 2011, the woman broke up with him.

You mean to tell me THEY didn't know about this "investigation" before making him head of the CIA? You mean to tell me DP wouldn't have known all his correspondence was monitored? You mean to tell me his own wife was being harassed and went to the FBI when her husband was director of the freaking CIA?

hahahahahahahahahaha:lol:
 

annieb

Senior Member
Correct me if I am wrong but since Petraeus started this affair when he was a General, he should have been court martialed as that is the punishment for adultery by the Army. By the time he was to become the Director of the CIA the affair was over. Why did he wait until this week to resign AFTER THE ELECTION when the affair ended over a year ago? Now this appears to be very suspect.
 

Troke

Deceased
Like I said it just gets worse and worse and worse to the point that it is unbelievable. If somebody wrote a novel on this theme, the critics would crucify the writer.
 

Gercarson

Veteran Member
Dog and pony show - smoke and mirrors - bread and circuses. A big deal because it distracts from the "other hand" and a lot of stuff can be carried out under the cover of BIG news about Petraeus. We are being rail roaded and no one is talking about THAT.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Ger I suspect you missed Troke's point....

Which was that this has finally crossed into the CLEARLY fiction realm...
 

gunnersmom

Veteran Member
Watching Judge Jeannine, some woman said Patreaus would have been given a lie detector test before he took the CIA job. He would have been asked if there was anything in his past he needed to disclose. The gal (who knew him and worked with him) said he is an honest man, and he would have fully disclosed the affair BEFORE he got the CIA job.
 
Senate/House Intelligence Kept in Dark on Petraeus Investigation

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...-In-Dark-That-Petraeus-Would-Be-Stepping-Down

Senate/House Intelligence Kept in Dark on Petraeus Investigation


by AWR Hawkins 10 Nov 2012, 2:49 PM PDT 50 post a comment
Even though there are laws requiring investigators to inform Senate/House Intelligence committees when senior members of the Executive branch are under surveillance, it appears those laws were not followed in the development of the case against CIA Director David Petraeus.

These statues came into play after Watergate, and were designed to keep intelligence committee members abreast of whom they could and couldn't call upon for needed testimony at certain times.

The fact that these rules weren't followed explains why the Senate/House intelligence committees were so taken aback to find that suddenly, the key figure for the Nov 15 Benghazi hearings, will not even be there.

Because of this breakdown in following the law, investigators did not keep lawmakers apprised of the growing investigation of Petraeus. And even though the investigation into Paula Broadwell, which eventually caught Petraeus, lasted for months, it was not portrayed to Congressional officials until about six hours before the CIA announced it.

One Congressional official made privy to the information at that time said, "It was portrayed to us as...if the FBI had stumbled across this."

This explains the shock of intelligence committee members who abruptly learned that Petraeus will not attend the Nov. 15 Benghazi hearing, in which high-ranking members of the Intelligence and State communities were to go on record, under oath, concerning Benghazi.
 

Codeno

Veteran Member
Like I said it just gets worse and worse and worse to the point that it is unbelievable. If somebody wrote a novel on this theme, the critics would crucify the writer.

I agree Troke.

As a result of both the dumbing down of America and the bread and circuses agenda, the average citizen has lost most to all of their ability to think critically, and in direct proportion to this, the cover-ups, smokescreens and diversions have become so sloppy and elementary as to be an embarrassment in and of themselves, as a commentary on our collective IQ, complacency, and gullibility.

This one hasn't sounded even close to believable from the get go, when taken at face value as the reason for the Petraeus resignation, especially right now. "They" aren't even concerned whether or not their lies sound credible anymore.
 
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/11/10/Rep-Pete-King-Petraeus-Absolutely-Necessary-Witness

VIDEO AT LINK

Rep. Peter King: Petraeus 'Absolutely Necessary Witness'
Rep. Peter King (R-NY) said on CNN: "This is a real loss for the country, a real loss for the CIA. We're going to lose the best man for the job, but again America is adaptable. Put it this way, anytime you lose David Petraeus, the country is not as safe as it could be,"

"Absolutely, to me, he's an absolutely necessary witness,"
 
Rep Gowdy: Either Petraeus Will Come and Testify to Congress Or He Will Be Subpoenaed

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-...-Testify-to-Congress-Or-He-Will-Be-Subpoenaed

VIDEO AT LINK

Rep Gowdy: Either Petraeus Will Come and Testify to Congress Or He Will Be Subpoenaed
Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) “The fact that he’s resigned and had an affair has nothing to do with whether he will be subpoenaed to Congress. I hope we don’t have to subpoena a four star general and a former CIA director. I would hope he would come voluntarily but if he won’t he will be subpoenaed. And none of what happened today is an offense to a subpoena… He’s either a witness in our case in chief or he’s gonna be a rebuttal witness if Susan Rice and others blame him for their failure of intelligence and failure of information. But there is no way we can get to the bottom of Benghazi without David Petraeus.”
 
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-...-Afghanistan-Petraeus-Affair-Was-Not-A-Secret

VIDEO AT LINK

National Security Expert: Petraeus Affair Not A Secret
Fox News National Security Specialist KT McFarland who has held national security posts in the Nixon, Ford and Reagan Administrations says there is no way possible General Petraeus' affair could have gone unknown and when she was in Afghanistan 18 months ago there was suggestions about a relationship
 
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50978#When:22:25:05Z

Is there no hope for America?
Hillary Clinton, David Patreaus Slither Away from Benghazi!

Author
- John Lillpop (Bio and Archives) Saturday, November 10, 2012


Just what the heck is going on in America?

The week about to end brought all sorts of chaos and bedlam to the fore:

Acting against their own vital interests, 50 percent of American voters cast their lot with Barack Obama, assuring another four years of economic, military, moral, and legal decline for what used to be America;
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, up to her unkempt hair and make-up free face in the Benghazi slaughter, declined to testify before Congress next week.


Prior “travel” plans trump the urgent need for a Congressional overview of the murder of four American patriots in Libya;

CIA Director David Patreaus suddenly resigned from the CIA, thereby scuttling his scheduled appearance before Congress next week with regard to Benghazi.


In his case, carnal affairs trump national security and the lives of those four innocent victims of the “spontaneous” kerfuffel of September 11.

Thus, the Obama war on transparency and honesty resumes, right where it left off. Perhaps the media will wake up and dig for the truth?

About as likley as the good people of Philadelphia coming forward voluntarily to admit a mammouth hacking of the voting machines on November 6, which caused Obama to get 99% of the votes?

Is there no hope for America?
 
Pat Buchanan asks whether CIA blew it with initial field investigation of Petraeus

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/10/p...with-initial-field-investigation-of-petraeus/

Pat Buchanan asks whether CIA blew it with initial field investigation of Petraeus

12:33 PM 11/10/2012



On Friday’s broadcast of “On the Record with Greta Van Susteren” on the Fox News Channel, conservative commentator Pat Buchanan, author of “Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?” and former senior adviser to President Ronald Reagan, questioned how former CIA Director David Petraeus got the top spy job in the first place.

“The CIA, we learn from Catherine [Herridge], did what the FBI usually does, a full field investigation of someone to make sure they don’t have problems like that,” Buchanan explained. “How could any full field investigation of Gen. Petraeus in Afghanistan miss this, if it had happened? And when did people find this out? So, what it sounds like is that Gen. Petraeus what was you call blackmail material from the day he entered the CIA until the day he left it. [Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani] had a good point. Why did he suddenly leave now? Did he suddenly become a security risk now? Or it was because the scandal was going to break, or because it was the Benghazi thing that is coming up?”

Buchanan said Petraeus should have known soon after the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Embassy in Libya that, contrary to claims by administration officials, an anti-Islam YouTube video was not the cause of the violence.

“Now, here’s Gen. Petraeus’s problem, and as you’ve alluded to — It’s September 14. September 11, his own safe house in Benghazi, with a couple of hero SEALs there, who, went over also to the compound — they were killed in a firefight on and off that lasted seven hours. Are you telling me that the head of the CIA did not know three days later that this was a firefight and an al-Qaida attack and he thought it was a protest over a video?”

Buchanan theorized that Petraeus was behind the Obama administration’s messaging in the days immediately following the Benghazi attack, including the White House’s decision to send U.N. ambassador Susan Rice on a Sept. 16 tour of the Sunday talk shows to claim that the U.S. believed the YouTube video had caused the violence.

“The only thing that happened we know is that Gen. Petraeus was the one that went up and told the Congress this,” Buchanan said. “It looks to me like the Central Intelligence Agency generally and General Petraeus specifically moved this story. I would not be surprised if Susan Rice testifies and the White House guys testify to the effect that Gen. Petraeus was the one giving them this intelligence.”

Buchanan clarified that extramarital affairs historically haven’t automatically disqualified candidates from consideration for sensitive jobs. He said he believed the White House had knowledge of Petraeus’ affair prior to his appointment as head of the CIA.

“There’s another issue here,” Buchanan said. I’ve had to undergo full field FBI investigation when I went into the Nixon White House. It was done — they went back into your college and everything else. That full field investigation, the results went straight to the White House chief of staff. Now, if the CIA investigated its own new director and did not discover this affair in Afghanistan, they ought to all be fired. And if they did discover this, who did they send the report to? Did the White House know that — did they say, look, OK, he had a problem over there. He had an affair. Don’t worry about it. It’s over? That’s what it sounds like to me.”

“Well, I mean, all right,” he continued. “That raises again the question. Did the CIA investigation of Petraeus miss this affair? Because you got an affair like that of a general over there at Bagram or somewhere, that’s all over the place. He had an affair EOB, it’s all over the building. They’re not a big secret. Exactly. And my guess is that the people that got the information says, OK, he had this little affair. I mean, [Dwight] Eisenhower had one, [Douglas] MacArthur had one when he was chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. [George] Patton.”
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
HIs SCI background check would have given them the color of her toenail polish and what size of sex toys she preferred LONG before he got to the desk at CIA....sheeeesh.
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
It would seem they are setting this fellow up for an insanity evaluation so his testimony on Benghazi would be discredited, fascinating it all comes to a head at nearly the same time as his breakup with his honey. IF that was an actual event, this could all be fabricated, it's so damn convenient.

ETA: This also takes immediate attentionn off of the blatant voter fraud several days ago. Whenever something they do gets unearthed, they always throw up some crisis or sensational bs to cover it up quickly.
 

2dollarbill

Veteran Member
Maybe it was just the weapons, thousands of weapons that the SEE EYE Aye let roll out to the brotherhood, fast and funniest of the middle east. Oh, Lots of weapons!!
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
Maybe it was just the weapons, thousands of weapons that the SEE EYE Aye let roll out to the brotherhood, fast and funniest of the middle east. Oh, Lots of weapons!!

Yeah, just ask the Christian Syrians who were mowed down with them under cover of execution of rebels.
 

Witness

Deceased
READ THIS EXCERPT FROM A WASHINGTON POST NEWS ARTICLE,
WHO IS THE OTHER WOMAN???

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...4d3f38-2b8b-11e2-bab2-eda299503684_story.html

Relationship exposed

The full extent of the bond was exposed Friday when Petraeus, 60, abruptly resigned as CIA director, acknowledging in a statement that he had been unfaithful to his wife of 38 years. The resignation marked a stunning career reversal for Petraeus, a storied commander whose successes in Iraq and Afghanistan had made him a hero to millions of Americans and won him a perennial mention as a possible future candidate for U.S. president.

Telephone and e-mail requests for interviews with Broadwell were not returned.

For Broadwell, who is also married, the startling turn of events has reportedly been painful as well. After writing a best-selling and highly laudatory book about Petraeus, she appears to have initiated the series of events that led to his public humiliation. Investigators say threatening e-mails from Broadwell to another woman led to the discovery of the affair between the biographer and her subject. It is an outcome made more poignant because she has been — and remains — zealous in her devotion to the general, friends and colleagues say.
 

knepper

Veteran Member
You raise an interesting point MzKitty. The Regime knew about the affair back when Petraeus was appointed head of the CIA. Can anyone say BLACKMAIL? You do exactly what the Stalinist tells you, or all this is going to be made public. Your career and your life will be ruined. You will assist when Obama begins his program to run guns to Al Qaeda and The Brotherhood, OR ELSE!
 

Tennessee gal

Veteran Member
This sounding like Petraeus is being set up?

Dobbin

100% in agreement! Look at Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, or F.D.R. they all were involved with women outside of marriage... did they leave office over a moral failure? This smells of blackmail. He knew too much and Obama and company decided to play hardball.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I underwent a pretty high (though not that high) security clearance in the late 1980's and while I never thought I'd see the day I agreed with Pat Buchanan on anything, I do somewhat in this case. I totally agree with the part about if the FBI investigators (that do these clearances and did mine) could not find a recent affair, then US Security has another huge problem on their hands that is totally apart from the issue with the former General himself.

Of course they knew, they had an agent call me from Colombia South America asking for the address of a former boyfriend I had not seen in nearly 20 years. I had to ask the agent if he was married, started answer was "yes," I then asked "does your wife expect you to know the personal addresses of women you dated 20 years ago?" ..I got an apology over that one; but if that's how far they will go for a GS-5 level personnel clerk (a low-level clerical position) you know they are going to be much more intense for CIA director.

Besides, while as a General he would have been in technical breach of the military code (and could have been court marshaled over an affair) as a civilian it is pretty much a civil matter with husband's suing their wife's lover, pretty much a thing of the past anyway. More likely is a quiet divorce and/or the settling into a long-time mistress and wife situation depending on the people involved.

Heck, John Kennedy had so many mistresses that most of them were vetted by the FBI and had code names!

I am not arguing the morality of this one way or another, just suggesting that this is all about what happened in Libya and very little about the General's personal life.

While he can still now be forced to testify, as a civilian (and no longer a government employee under oath) he can hire lawyers, he can plead the 5th, he can honestly say that he can't reveal classified information even in congress. The Senators then have to petition the new CIA director for the same information which he can honestly claim was "before his tenure in office," and drag his feet on obtaining. Plus, second hand information is never as powerful as a first hand witness.

Like the agents interview for the article, I am not sure if the General was playing chess here and resigning before the Obama administration could hang him out to dry or was simply hung out to dry as a scape goat. My guess is that if he has a good relationship with his wife (this is old news, she may have forgiven him or she may be willing to play along for a quiet divorce settlement latter, their business) then blaming the affair for leaving was a brilliant move on his part. If the administration forced this, not so smart because it just smells like a cover-up so obvious a ten year old could see it coming in the comic book.

My question is the same as this morning's Drudge Report, "What Else are They Hiding?"
 

Dozdoats

Deceased
Like I said it just gets worse and worse and worse to the point that it is unbelievable.

Unbelievable? Naaaah. More like "par for the course" for this government. These people make the Borgias look like amateurs.
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
We are in the midst of a complete breakdown of our secret service credibility and integrity right now. Mainly due to the Columbian Hookergate scandal that blew the lid off the NBA playa mentality permeating the agency at the moment. Their legacy and professionalism tarnished. Nobody held a gun to this admin's head while potus and flotus were busy jetting hither and yon on john q.'s dime, forcing his security detail to play fast and loose with druglord whoredom. They did that all by themselves.

This may be a blessing in disguise, to get all the alphabets to review their policies and rewrite the rulebooks if need be. Add also, same sex liaisons are a whole new out of the closet ballgame in the modern era of gay tolerance, so guidelines need revision. Including state dept. too
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
A review of the UK websites (always an interesting place for news like this) suggests strongly that the "Agencies" are now really playing up the "too many e-mails" angle of this one. While it could be true, if so they should have said the General had been caught out stalking someone, rather than busted over an affair. No examples of the alleged stalking e-mails are provided and bits from the "affair" e-mails are just well, what you would expect people to e-mail each other if they were having an affair.

Not great reading for anyone else, and hardly the stuff of resignations these days - I mean if he had been having an affair with a spy from a foreign power or something; that would be a compromising position but this, well it just doesn't meet the smell test to me.

I'd say there is a good chance the General jumped at that chance to get out of Dodge though, despite what others have suggested; I think that if nothing else came up he could easily pick up the pieces for a political or managerial career pretty easily. I think something else is going on and that may come out to shatter that - but other men and women have survived resignations and affairs to make a come back. That is supposing he wants to do this and isn't happier quietly accepting a lot of money on the speaking circuit and sitting on the boards of various corporations. Give him a year and he could be a Fox News commentator...it wouldn't be the first time..
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Oh, now it gets even better! Realize this is from the UK Daily Mail, which is about one step up from the National Enquirer (aka some real news, lots of gossip, I read mostly for fun and to see what they are saying. But for once, they really spelled things out a lot more clearly than some of the other papers.

If this story is true- The General did not send the ugly e-mails, his girlfriend did, telling another women to back off "her" man" ...again take with a grain of salt but..again sounds like the FBI (or the Administration) is getting desperate...

Stay away from my guy': The harassing emails 'sent by Petraeus biographer' to 'SECOND lover' that sparked FBI probe

Details of Petraeus' affair with Paula Broadwell emerged when she allegedly hacked into his email account to send threatening messages to another 'paramour'

The FBI was contacted by the recipient - and the emails were tracked to Paula Broadwell - who by then had been involved with Petraeus

Through their investigation, Federal agents discovered that the general had shared explicit emails with Broadwell
FBI was probing security risk, but concluded there was none


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...well-second-lover-revealed.html#ixzz2BvsSN7f7
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Shinmen Takezo

Inactive
For all you wondering why this is happening to Patreaus... this is how a purge is pulled off in America.

Expect more military to be booted out, forced out or just asked to retire.
 

Dozdoats

Deceased
http://www.velociworld.com/Velociblog/Oldvelocity/004008.html
November 9, 2012
All Teed Up

When Obama tapped Petraeus for head of CIA everyone knew why, including Petraeus. His popularity made him an eventual political threat that had to be neutralized. Better to have him in house, and under the thumb. And Petraeus took it, of course. Why? Ego, in a sense. Resume-padding in a larger sense. He was looking at the speech circuit, and adding Director of Central Intelligence probably ramps him from $25,000 a speech to $40,000.

I knew this would not end well for him. But **** him. I ain't his nanny. His hubris is his nanny. You win enough gaming scenarios in war college you start to think you're something special. Here's a little secret: nobody's special. Even Stephen Hawking can occasionally digitally blather some insanely stupid shit.

There's an inherent problem with generals. Colonels are made by merit. Generals are made by Congress. Which means at least one corrupt ****er already has your pecker in his pocket. Generals, by and large, quit being soldiers when they reach flag rank, and become politicians. Or at least a now overly cautious gamer. That's why it is colonels, not generals, who are always the political game changers. They can gain. Generals always lose when the balance of power shifts.

Armas, Guatemala, 1954: Colonel. Coup d'etat.

Papadopoulos and buddies, Greece, 1967: Colonels. Coup d'etat.

Qaddafi, Libya, 1969: Colonel. Coup d'etat.

Nimeiry, Sudan, 1969: Colonel. Coup d'etat.

Acheampong, Ghana, 1972: Colonel. Coup d'etat.

Tejero, Spain, 1981: Colonel. Failed coup d'etat.

Noriega, Panama, 1982: Colonel. Coup d'etat.


This list could go on. One could make the case that colonels are highly skilled, and motivated, and denied the food trough. The goodies. They are therefore hungry jackals. But what does that make the generals? Arrivistes, I reckon. Skilled at battlefield war, unskilled on the battlefields of the Senate cloak room, the West Wing.

It's a tough thing for a person to become a general, a god among his men, only to realize he's actually some senator's aide's bitch. Some shrug it off and don't play the game. They retire with 1 or 2 stars. Guys like Petraeus think they're smarter than the average bear. They won gaming theory in war college! They run 10 miles a day, and write essential policy papers for Foreign Affairs. What they truly are is dupes. Rubes. Out of their depth because they don't even understand the game they're playing. Don't know who the mark is? You're probably the mark.

And so Petraeus was seduced by a Democratic political operative. Hubris. Now his mighty reputation is soiled beyond repair, his marriage is likely sundered, his prospects on the lecture circuit zilch. This is what Democrats do to the gullible, and the prideful. Don't ever get in bed with these scorpions. They are vile creatures, with no conscience and no soul.

Oh: did I mention Petraeus will take the fall for Benghazi? Of course he will. Obama is even now teeing up a Big Bertha driver, and Petraeus' head is the little dimpled ball on the tee. He'll slice it like he always does, but that don't matter.


Fore!

Posted by Velociman at November 9, 2012 8:04 PM
 

SIRR1

Inactive
Paula Broadwell is an National Guard Officer so I would expect for her to be brought up on charges soon and she will sing to save her arse!

This is far from over and possibly the best way to get this Admin out of office...

SIRR1
 
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