ALERT Camp Pendleton moving out 7,000 troops

Border Guns

Veteran Member
This started Aug. 10th but today it really went into over-drive. Hubby was out and about saw trucks with trailers lined up to hell and gone. Loaded with the big guns tied down really good for shipping. C130's coming in and landing here,too. Article I found on net from LA tell as much as we all know. They have been training like crazy lately and much more than a couple of years before when we were here for a while. Everyone can tell there is something in the wind............something bad. Am trying to upload article.
 

Shinmen Takezo

Inactive
Oh-no... sorry to tell you this but Uncle T was just in Carlsbad California today.
And also along the back perimiter of Camp Pendelton in that small town there visting a client.

And what did Uncle T witness?!
Nothing special. Nothing at all.

I went around the base to get to the the 405 and go north--which runs along the coast and the west main gate.
And there I saw nothing special at all also.
Or maybe I missed the show entirely? I was there most of the morning until around 2 in the afternoon.
No lines of trucks on the 15, or 405.
No masses of hovercraft loading up equipment on the practice beaches.
No unusual aircraft activity over the base.
No thundering of artillery.

Sorry for a double doom-pop this week.
Just reporting what I saw today.

PS: had my hi-def camera with me today as well, and if I spotted something unusual, I would have used it to capture the moment.

ST
 

annieb

Senior Member
For fair use: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/oliver-north-afghanistan-iran/2012/08/14/id/448580

Decorated military veteran and best-selling author Oliver North tells Newsmax the killing of American soldiers by our Afghan allies is the “bitter harvest” of Obama’s decision to schedule a withdrawal of our forces.

North also says Israel has “no choice” but to attack a nuclear-armed Iran, Syria is on the brink of collapse, another 9/11 attack on the United States is “entirely likely,” and Americans have a chance to hire a new U.S. commander-in-chief in the November election and “fire the guy” who is there now.

North served in the U.S. Marines for 22 years and rose to the rank of lieutenant colonel. He also served on the staff of the National Security Council during the Ronald Reagan administration.

North now hosts “War Stories with Oliver North” on the Fox News Channel and is the founder of the Freedom Alliance foundation. His latest book is “American Heroes in Special Operations.”

In an exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV, North was asked, now that Mitt Romney has chosen Paul Ryan as his running mate, if he should have tapped someone with more foreign policy experience like General David Petraeus.

“I’m a military guy. I’m not a political character. But I think from what I hear of the folks that I keep company with, and they’re conservatives, they’re excited by the fact that Paul Ryan is the running mate to Romney,” North says.

“The hope is that he’ll be able to bring to bear some attention on details of national security policy that are going to be as good as his ideas on the budget and reducing our debt.

“My hope is that’s the team we’re going to send to the White House. We have a chance to hire a new commander-in-chief, head of state and chief executive on November 6. God knows we need to fire the guy who’s there now and hire the new team.”

So far this year 34 Americans have been killed by our supposed allies in Afghanistan.

“This is the bitter harvest of Barack Obama’s decision to announce withdrawal,” North observes.

“Even though it was announced over a year ago, what you’re seeing is the rush to the exits. The need to increase the number of recruits for the Afghan National Security Forces, meaning the Army and the police, their intelligence services, has gone up dramatically. The ability to screen them as they’re coming in and vet out those who might be terrorists is almost gone.

“So the end result is the terrorists now know if they’re going to kill an infidel, you’ve only got a short window in which to get it done. You’re going to see a whole lot more of this. It’s become the number-one killer of Americans, replacing the IED as the most lethal part of this war, and it’s all because an announcement was made telling everybody, the enemy included, when we were leaving.”

Is radical Islam still a threat to American citizens and interests? North was asked.

“Well you certainly wouldn’t know it by the way this White House and the State Department are acting, but yes, it is,” he responds.

“[Some Americans] think the War on Terror is won just because bin Laden is dead and oh, by the way, Barack Obama did it. The fact is radical Islam will continue to be a major threat to American interests and our citizens, and another attack like 9/11 or the embassy attacks back in the 90s under the Clinton administration are entirely likely unless America does more to make sure that radical Islam does not get a toehold in places where they can train for those kinds of activities.

“You see Yemen and Somalia rising to the fore in places where we need to have U.S. forces. We need to have U.S. friends in that part of the world and friends in that part of the world are not easy to find, particularly given the way we treat Israel. These are our friends. Goodness gracious, what do we want, more enemies?”

North does not support the use of targeted attacks by drones to deal with the terrorist threat.

“I’m going to break company with a lot of our conservative friends in this,” he says. “I find the idea that American citizens can be killed by a Predator flying with hellfire missiles with only the authority of the president of the United States, the attorney general, the director of the FBI, the director of National Intelligence and some National Security Council staff making a decision, and the president whips out of his pocket his little list of people on his targeted capture/kill list and makes a decision like that to kill an American citizen, I find it to be very dangerous.”

Massive cuts in defense spending will automatically be implemented at the start of next year unless the White House and Congress do something to stop them. North discussed the impact this could have on national security.

“You already see the rise of China in the Pacific, even though there’s a promise that we’re now going to have a specific strategy as Mr. Obama announced a year ago,” he tells Newsmax.

“The ability to carry that out and actually build friendships and military relationships with those in the Pacific is going to be limited by the lack of ships, aircrafts and troops. We’re going to lose 100,000 U.S. Army soldiers, 20,000 Marines, up to 40 ships taken out of the Navy inventory, no modernization of our nuclear weapons system and, of course, ballistic missile defense off the table, as far as Barack Obama is concerned, until after his election.

“The bottom line of it is this country cannot afford not to have a preeminent national security apparatus. That means military and intelligence capabilities. You don’t have it today. We’ll have less tomorrow if the sequester goes through.”

Regarding the possibility of an Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities, North stated: “The Israelis are at least smart enough now, knowing how badly this White House leaks, not to tell them what the plans are. So I really don’t know, but obviously the window is closing.

“They have a very good fix on the fact that the Iranians are much closer than anybody expected to developing a nuclear weapon. My sense is that the Israelis have good relationships with other intelligence services, not necessarily our own anymore, but others who also have concerns about Pakistan and Iran and where those nuclear weapons might end up and are going to tell the Israelis if they see a warhead being put on the end of a missile that could take out Israel.

“I think the Israelis will certainly act, and because it’s an existential threat to Israel they have no choice.”

Syria, North also tells Newsmax, “is certainly on the brink of collapse. And we know that there are plentiful munitions, perhaps even biological weapons of mass destruction that are MIA right now in Syria.

“There’s no doubt that the days of the Assad regime are limited. The question is what happens in the aftermath? We don’t know an awful lot about those in the so-called Free Syrian Army that is leading the efforts to unseat him.

“We’ve got to get some intelligence so we know who the players are. We don’t today. We’re counting on Turkey and we’re counting to a certain extent on the Iraqis to tell us information that they probably could find out or know and we don’t. We’ve got to know who the folks that are going to be running Damascus will be over the course of the next several months.”

Asked who the Islamist leaders of Iran, Egypt and other countries would prefer to win the American presidential election, North says: “Hard to tell. I’ve not heard a great deal of the foreign policy plans and the national security plans of the Romney administration. I’ve been writing about it for months trying to get them to lay out how they would be different than Commander-in-Chief Barack Obama. Hopefully they would be but we don’t know because we haven’t heard.

“So it’s hard to tell what the other side really would like to have. But you know what it was like when Jimmy Carter was running for re-election and Ronald Reagan was running? There was no doubt they wanted Carter but they got Reagan. Hopefully we’ll get Romney this and it will be better than what we’ve had.”
 

Echo 5

Well...shit
Even MORE to Afghanistan? I found this article from October, and was shocked to see how many troops it says are already there. As we know from the WoW thread, the police in A-Stan have been mowing people down left and right. I'd hate to think they're going to Syria. Bams said we won't put boots on the ground there. Hmmmm....

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/m...cle_ec0f2862-ccfa-5dea-99b8-46edb023de5a.html

My understanding is that we're (USMC) drawing down forces in A-stan, and cutting about 23,000 total troops by the end of next month.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Since I choose to believe that the OP and her hubby are neither blind, fools, nor liars, given this information, we have to conclude that either we are on the verge of war or of major woo-woo (per some threads in UNEX).

Occam's Razor would indicate the former -- but in our crazy world who knows?

Thanks for the heads-up, Border Guns, and please keep us posted.
 

Shinmen Takezo

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Decorated military veteran and best-selling author Oliver North tells Newsmax the killing of American soldiers by our Afghan allies is the “bitter harvest” of Obama’s decision to schedule a withdrawal of our forces.

North also says Israel has “no choice” but to attack a nuclear-armed Iran, Syria is on the brink of collapse, another 9/11 attack on the United States is “entirely likely,” and Americans have a chance to hire a new U.S. commander-in-chief in the November election and “fire the guy” who is there now


North's assertions are crazy indeed.
Let's say it is Romney in the Whitehouse now--and he is deciding to stay.
That means the Afgan freedom-fighting insurgents are not going to keep killing American occupiers in that country?
Look how crazy that logic really is.

And just how is another 9/11 style attack in the USA entirely likely?
These "war-clowns" have been yammering this malarky for eleven years now.
Whenever they want to jin-up the industrial military complex, they start with this baloney or with the "American Hiroshima" nonsense--or combinations thereof.

Just when are we going to jump off their crazy train and back into reality?
 

Border Guns

Veteran Member
So far 4 C130's have flown in over us in the last couple of hours. Rumors are ramping up, so much could be woo-woo I will admit. We are in an RV park on base so can only hear and see a little. A lot more activity than when we arrived July 18th.
 

Shinmen Takezo

Inactive
Since I choose to believe that the OP and her hubby are neither blind, fools, nor liars, given this information, we have to conclude that either we are on the verge of war or of major woo-woo (per some threads in UNEX).

Please note that I did not call the OP's "blind fools or liars" --just that I arrived in that small town along the backside of Pendelton around 8am and worked there until around 12 noon.
I saw no unusual activity on the main roads.
I then took the cut-off which runs around the southern perimeter of Pendelton to Oceanside and went to the Oceans' Eleven card club for a while.
I left around 2 in the afternoon and went north up the 405 to Los Angeles.

I saw no columns of trucks, choppers or unusual activity on the main roads around the base, nor on the 405.
Just reporting what I saw.

ST
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
Why is the US Army Mobilizing Troops and Equipment around the Country?

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BY SUSAN POSSEL | OCCUPY CORPORATISM | AUGUST 8, 2012

Informants and military personnel are coming forth anonymously to confirm that martial law “is right around the corner.” However, right now we are under a silent martial law and citizens are reporting strange and unexplainable activity from the US armed forces and multiple federal agencies that point to a covert preparatory operation to completely lock down America in the very near future.

Sources from multiple locations across the nation have independently confirmed that the US military are repositioning soldiers in conjunction with allied foreign troops in the initial stages of martial law.

The US military are secretly moving massive amounts of “equipment” across the country consistently for more than a year. In Phoenix, Arizona, tractor-trailers transporting tanks on public highways have been spotted. One witness stated that he saw these flatbeds multiple times in the month of June. Eye witness reports are coming primarily from the northern and southern Border States.

Peter Santilli, an ex-marine informant who was a specialist in aviation deployed weapons, explains that a refrigerated truck, allocated by the administration department on base, was directed to the commissary, where the unsuspecting driver believed that he was transporting food. The weapon was placed at the head of the trailer, and covered up with either food stores (like cans of soup) or body bags. In the event that the truck is stopped en route, the weapon would be well hidden and go undetected by inspectors on the public highways.

Santilli, who was assigned to ride in the cab of the truck with the driver, says that his orders were to make sure the truck arrived at its destination. If there were problems concerning potential civil unrest, he was to radio into his superiors for aid by either air or ground support. Should the situation warrant serious attention; crowd control methods would be implemented.

One possible scenario was the use of cluster bomb units (CBUs) that will emit upon detonation, a “sleep and kill” chemical weapon that will not disturb infrastructure, but is lethal to all living things within the effected zone. Santilli describes these particular 3 unit CBUs as shaped like water-heaters with a coned top and plunger-like device. Once deployed in the air, a parachute assists these CBUs to the targeted area. And when detonated, a deadly chemical gas will kill every human and animal in the specified cordoned area.

The acquisition of armory by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and contracts for bullet-proof glass for check-point booths to be positioned strategically throughout the nation on public highways have heightened awareness that the US government is preparing for a well-planned domestic military action. DHS armored vehicles have been sighted on highways in Kentucky.

When citizens attempt to capture the activity on film, some have their cameras confiscated; sometimes after a physical altercation.

On Google Maps, where known military bases were once visible, some strategic areas are now blurred out.

http://real-agenda.com/2012/08/08/w...zing-troops-and-equipment-around-the-country/
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Since I choose to believe that the OP and her hubby are neither blind, fools, nor liars, given this information, we have to conclude that either we are on the verge of war or of major woo-woo (per some threads in UNEX).

Please note that I did not call the OP's "blind fools or liars" --just that I arrived in that small town along the backside of Pendelton around 8am and worked there until around 12 noon.
I saw no unusual activity on the main roads.
I then took the cut-off which runs around the southern perimeter of Pendelton to Oceanside and went to the Oceans' Eleven card club for a while.
I left around 2 in the afternoon and went north up the 405 to Los Angeles.

I saw no columns of trucks, choppers or unusual activity on the main roads around the base, nor on the 405.
Just reporting what I saw.

ST

Why ST---why on earth would you think that comment directed at you?
 

Border Guns

Veteran Member
Hubby says that the vehicles were all on base, on Vandergrift Rd. Some turned on Basilone Rd. going north and others continued on to the air strip just a bit further on the main road. I think my number of troops may be wrong, to many rumors going around and they go up after repeats. Neighbor who's hubby is active came home about 2pm but didn't say anything. Then went back to work.


Edit: Hubby says that a major move would require that they use C5's or C141's or C17's so may be every one is running around with their hair on fire for nothing. People are really on edge no doubt about that.

Going to ride around the base to look see anything more.
 
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Wise Owl

Deceased
Thanx to Border Guns for your description of what is going on. I also think it ties into something happening in our country and not overseas at this time. If we are pulling out of A-stan then they surely wouldn't be sending them there.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Your comment made me wonder, Wise Owl---think there's any connection between this and the DHS and SSA's order (among others) for billions of hollow-point bullets?

Just trying to see the man behind the curtain...
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
Why ST---why on earth would you think that comment directed at you?

lol. You didn't even use the words "double doom-pop" or anything. I certainly couldn't tell you were directing the post to anyone in particular.

I, like you, tend to believe long-term members posts, especially when not just FOAF or personal opinion.
 

mt4design

Has No Life - Lives on TB
FWIW, the 405 doesn't run anywhere near Carlsbad or Pendelton. In fact, it splits off and eventually becomes the 5 around Mission Viejo (El Toro base used to be around there).

Straight up the 15 is where the Marine Logistics base is around Barstow if there is a lot of stuff moving I would suspect it would be on rail.

If you aren't heading in to Pendelton, I don't think you're going to see much driving around it. That place is huge.

The ONLY way you're really going to see anything is if you're on the base itself. Or, if they're getting ready to move or on the move and then I'm sure they could take up a lot of space.

Mike
 

Shinmen Takezo

Inactive

Why ST---why on earth would you think that comment directed at you

Sorry. Just paranoia I guess.

I just got another call from another client in Carlsbad and will be going back Thursday morning.
I'll give the low down again.

Pendelton is a big base with many gates.
But all such major activity would be only on several roads going in and out.
The 405, 76 and I 15.

I'll keep my eyes open.

ST
 

homepark

Resist
I would not be so quick to dismiss North's comments, nor assume it is to gin up some war fever. I spent my last 15 years working in matters related. He is close to the mark.
 

mt4design

Has No Life - Lives on TB

Why ST---why on earth would you think that comment directed at you

Sorry. Just paranoia I guess.

I just got another call from another client in Carlsbad and will be going back Thursday morning.
I'll give the low down again.

Pendelton is a big base with many gates.
But all such major activity would be only on several roads going in and out.

The 405, 76 and I 15.

I'll keep my eyes open.

ST

Exactly.

I'll do my best to keep my eyes open up here near Long Beach. I see convoys on occasion moving along the 405 up here.

I'm wondering, if they're moving personnel, would they be using commercial airliners? Say, from John Wayne, LAX, or some of the other large airports. What is an airport down in San Diego?

Mike
 

Shinmen Takezo

Inactive
FWIW, the 405 doesn't run anywhere near Carlsbad or Pendelton. In fact, it splits off and eventually becomes the 5 around Mission Viejo (El Toro base used to be around there).

Sorry, meant to say the I 5.
It does split off much further north with the 405 around Irvine.
Anyways didn't see much on the 5.

You will see the practicing with armor routinely along that route which runs parallel to the 5--with their beach on the right and their main base on the left.

But the OP said that there were lots of vehicles exiting the base.
I did not see any of this.

Is Pendleton on the coast?


A good section of Pendelton runs right along the coast--from just South of San Onofre Nuclear plant down to Ocean Side.
I 5 cuts through this section. The base is on both sides of the road for a few miles... along with a state beach.
You can see an urban warfare simulated town on the hillside at one point of the freeway.
Armor and choppers routinely practice in full view from the freeway.
There is also a practice landing beach where they do hovercraft/APC assaults a few times a month (interesting to watch).
The Base goes inland for miles and down to the 76 south.

ST
 

Shinmen Takezo

Inactive
Straight up the 15 is where the Marine Logistics base is around Barstow if there is a lot of stuff moving I would suspect it would be on rail.

Bingo--this is the place to scope out.
It is right along the freeway to Las Vegas.
Right in plain sight.
Nothing of substance can be hidden from view there.

All you need to do is sit atop that hill in Barstow with a pair of binos and observe.
But I am not going out there--way too hot now!

ST
 

AZ Bluejacket

Inactive
Camp Pendleton

First thank you for supporting DW and the "fool husband."

Please note that it has been thirty years since being actively involved in the logistics of troop movements. That said, DW and I have been camping on Pendleton off and on for the past ten years, and you get a sense of what is normal and what is not. Today's movements were not what I would call normal or routine.

If it were a "MASS" movement of troops, I would have expected the use of C-141s or C-5As. I am not real familiar with the new C-17, but here is an interesting photo that I found in researching---an Air Force C-17 landing on the flight deck of an Air Craft Carrier.

S.T. has another prospective, and from what was seen we did not see any activity with the LCACs, which are at times used to transport the heavy equipment out to the amphibious ships (ie. USS Boxer).

And as I am typing, another C-130 seems to be landing. It appears to be another plane, but since I saw no side number, it may even be the same plane trying to confuse me. As a rule the C-130s are out of MCAS Miramar about twenty miles south.

S.T. is also correct, that the artillery schools are not practicing today, which could be a sign either way. On a regular day, they are firing most of the day into the evening.

S.T. You didn't sneak into Carlsbad/Cardiff to re-dress the Kook Statue did you???
 

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Echo 5

Well...shit
Exactly.

I'll do my best to keep my eyes open up here near Long Beach. I see convoys on occasion moving along the 405 up here.

I'm wondering, if they're moving personnel, would they be using commercial airliners? Say, from John Wayne, LAX, or some of the other large airports. What is an airport down in San Diego?

Mike

March AFB.

There's also a reserve unit in Ventura that drills in Camp Pendleton, sometimes they leave Monday (if it's a 3 or 4 day drill).
 

CGTech

Has No Life - Lives on TB
... a C-17 landing on an aircraft carrier...???? rigghhtt.... think someone was having fun with photoshop.....
 

dawgofwar10

Veteran Member
Not enough room for C-17 to land on a Carrier Deck... Not wide enough, and no cat strong enough to launch it. I was one of the few to launch off a carrier deck at anchor in a S-3A Viking, talk bout one hot cat launch, thought the nose wheel steering was gonna get torn off...
 

Suzieq

Veteran Member
I wanted to start a new thread, but I'm new here and don't know how to do it. So I am putting it here.

Anti-Terror Exercises Planned for D.C. Skies


BY: Bill Gertz
August 20, 2012 5:09 pm

Air Force and Coast Guard aircraft will fly “intercept and identification” exercises over Washington tonight as part of efforts to prevent suicide aircraft attacks or other threats to the capital, a military spokesman said.

The latest exercise of what the North American Aerospace Defense Command calls “Falcon Virgo” involves Civil Air Patrol Cessna-182 light aircraft and a Coast Guard HH-65 Dolphin helicopter between 11:30 p.m. Monday and 5:30 a.m. Tuesday, NORAD said in a statement.

“We want to make sure people seeing these planes aren’t concerned,” said NORAD spokesman John Cornelio.

“One of the reasons we put out notice of the exercise is so that anyone seeing a military aircraft in close proximity to a civilian aircraft will know that this is a controlled and carefully planned NORAD live exercise,” he said.

No unmanned aerial vehicles will be used, said another spokeswoman.

Details of the scenario for the exercise could not be learned. However, it is expected to involve the helicopter intercepting the Cessna posing as a threat aircraft.

Link: http://freebeacon.com/anti-terror-exercises-planned-for-d-c-skies/
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Thanx to Border Guns for your description of what is going on. I also think it ties into something happening in our country and not overseas at this time. If we are pulling out of A-stan then they surely wouldn't be sending them there.

We may be drawing down but we will still rotate into the country....


==============================================

Aaaaand what CG said....C-130 yes, C-17....not in this lifetime.
 

AZ Bluejacket

Inactive
Not enough room for C-17 to land on a Carrier Deck... Not wide enough, and no cat strong enough to launch it. I was one of the few to launch off a carrier deck at anchor in a S-3A Viking, talk bout one hot cat launch, thought the nose wheel steering was gonna get torn off...

No, No, No---it had to be the mail in the blivits that made it strain!!
 

AZ Bluejacket

Inactive
Thank you CGTech and Dawofwar10---As mentioned my stuff is thirty years old. They may not use T-bars or purchase cables anymore
for all I know.
 

mt4design

Has No Life - Lives on TB
You know, something just struck me...

Yes, Pendelton is right on the coast and there are a lot of very, very serious, serious and special men that train there.

Mike
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Mike I think you will find that there are a LOT fewer than 7K who do the swimmin thang, both Force and the other guys...
 

momof23goats

Deceased
Since I choose to believe that the OP and her hubby are neither blind, fools, nor liars, given this information, we have to conclude that either we are on the verge of war or of major woo-woo (per some threads in UNEX).

Occam's Razor would indicate the former -- but in our crazy world who knows?

Thanks for the heads-up, Border Guns, and please keep us posted.

I agree 1000 +
 

NoPlugsNM

Deceased
I mentioned USMC loading up stuff on the east coast in a thread in BS . . VERGE OF . . looks like the same applies to the west coast. Makes you go hmmmmm, eh?

NP
 

NC Susan

Deceased
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/world/middleeast/obama-threatens-force-against-syria.html

Obama Threatens Force Against Syria

By MARK LANDLER

Published: August 20, 2012


WASHINGTON — President Obama warned Syria on Monday that it would face American military intervention if there were signs that its arsenal of unconventional weapons was being moved or prepared for use. It was Mr. Obama’s first direct threat of force against Syria, as he has resisted being drawn into the bloody 18-month rebellion.








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The president’s warning raises the pressure on President Bashar al-Assad, whom Mr. Obama again called on to relinquish power. And it underscores the deepening alarm among American officials that, as Syria sinks further into civil war, its unconventional weapons could be seized by radical forces tied to terrorist groups like Hezbollah or Al Qaeda.

The warning brings Mr. Obama, who has brushed aside calls to impose a no-fly zone or to arm the Syrian rebels, a step closer to direct American engagement. The specter of unconventional weapons being loosed in the heart of the Arab world, he said, would upend his calculation that military intervention would only worsen the situation.

“We cannot have a situation in which chemical or biological weapons are falling into the hands of the wrong people,” Mr. Obama said in response to questions at an impromptu news conference at the White House. “We have been very clear to the Assad regime but also to other players on the ground that a red line for us is, we start seeing a whole bunch of weapons moving around or being utilized.”
“That would change my calculus,” he added. “That would change my equation.”

Western authorities say that Syria’s arsenal includes chemical weapons but that they are uncertain whether the country has stockpiled biological weapons.

The president said the Pentagon was drafting a range of contingency plans, working with American allies in the region, including Israel and Turkey. He expressed little confidence that the Syrian government could keep its weapons stockpile under lock and key, given the widespread strife in the country.
Last month, American officials said they had unspecified evidence that Mr. Assad’s forces had moved some parts of the stockpile out of storage, although the transfer was never confirmed. Experts on Syria speculated at the time that the move reflected the government’s worry about the security of the weapons, not any intent to use them.

The Syrian Foreign Ministry announced in July that it would deploy chemical weapons only against foreign intervention, never against its own citizens.

A senior administration official emphasized that Mr. Obama’s warning was aimed at large-scale transfers of weapons that would make them vulnerable to capture by radical forces, not movements by the government intended to secure the arsenal.
The administration said it was monitoring suspected weapons sites, along with Turkey and Jordan, and has held discussions with Israel about how to respond to any breaches of security.

Mr. Obama, who has said little about Syria in recent weeks, stressed the regional risk from its unconventional weapons. “That’s an issue that doesn’t just concern Syria,” he said. “It concerns our close allies in the region, including Israel. It concerns us.”
His comments seemed aimed as much at the Israelis as the Syrians. Israeli officials have indicated they might intervene if they thought those weapons were on the loose and might be unleashed on their territory.

By hinting that the United States might participate in locating and neutralizing the weapons, Mr. Obama was clearly trying to forestall the possibility of an Israeli move into Syria — and the reaction it might provoke.

For weeks, Mr. Obama’s aides and outside advisers to the White House and Pentagon have been saying that if Syria’s presumed stockpiles of unconventional weapons got loose, only the United States and a small group of European allies would have the technological capability to neutralize them. That would almost certainly require the insertion of specialized teams, which would require considerable protection while operating inside Syria.

The Pentagon contingency plans include worst-case scenarios that would require tens of thousands of American troops, two senior United States officials said on Monday. The officials, who declined to specify precisely how many troops might be needed, emphasized that the plans were the kind of worst-case contingency options that the Pentagon routinely draws up in crises, and that no American deployments were imminent.

“The problem is that the material is so dispersed,” said an expert who has been consulted by the administration. While the intelligence about the stockpiles is sketchy — there are widely varying estimates of how much material Mr. Assad has amassed, and where it is stored — American estimates indicate there could be as many as two dozen sites around the country.
The difficulty in pinpointing Syria’s stockpiles is one of many complexities that have made Mr. Obama leery of getting drawn into the conflict. On Monday, he described a so far limited American response that includes $82 million in humanitarian aid to help thousands of Syrian refugees, as well as efforts to help the Syrian opposition prepare for a transition of power.

It was almost a year to the day since Mr. Obama first called on Mr. Assad to resign, and he was plainly frustrated by the lack of progress. “So far, he hasn’t gotten the message and instead has doubled down in violence on his own people,” Mr. Obama said.

In Syria, a Japanese journalist was killed Monday while covering the conflict in Aleppo, Japan’s Foreign Ministry said Tuesday, according to The Associated Press. The reporter, Mika Yamamoto, a veteran war correspondent, was hit by gunfire while she and a colleague were traveling with the rebel Free Syrian Army. Mr. Assad’s forces stepped up their attacks in and around the southwest city of Dara’a on Monday, with activists reporting raids, summary executions of suspected opposition figures and intensified shelling. There was no way to independently confirm those reports.
David E. Sanger and Eric Schmitt contributed reporting from Washington, and Damien Cave from Beirut, Lebanon.




A version of this article appeared in print on August 21, 2012, on page A7 of the New York edition with the headline: Obama Threatens Force Against Syria.
 

saltair

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Straight up the 15 is where the Marine Logistics base is around Barstow if there is a lot of stuff moving I would suspect it would be on rail.

Bingo--this is the place to scope out.
It is right along the freeway to Las Vegas.
Right in plain sight.
Nothing of substance can be hidden from view there.

All you need to do is sit atop that hill in Barstow with a pair of binos and observe.
But I am not going out there--way too hot now!

ST
I was driving the I-15 today northbound from Fullerton, CA to Las Vegas, NV and drove past Fort Irwin and did not notice any unusual armor movements by rail at all... I also look for precisely that same thing, having seen it a few times in the past, and, today, I did not observe it as I made my weekly trek up to Las Vegas...
 
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