VIDEO SIMULATION - BBC Live Breaking News, Nuclear Weapons Exchange Between Russia and NATO

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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A pants filling scenario to "brighten" your holiday weekend,

Published on Nov 25, 2016

Serious incident between NATO and Russian forces in the Baltic region reported, but a more larger strategic confrontation is under way. Russian invasion of Estonia and Latvia is being reported with significant Russian troops movements towards western Europe.

This fictional dramatization is intended to present a scenario that is a real possibility in the near future and which represents an existential threat to us all. We hope to make people reflect on how prepared they are for such an eventuality, how much they rely on resources that are more fragile than we care to imagine, and how little say we all have in the decisions of military powers that do not speak for the will of the people of the world. This is merely a work of fiction and is not happening in fact.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ25RMezeLU&nohtml5=False
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
It sounds too slow for reality. Russia does not have the forces to engage in a conventional war. So why waste time, go straight for nukes in a big way. They the Russians have the protection for their own people. So it is better for them to go to the buttons straight off.
 
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:dot5: The following story is true, and NOT a simulation:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-279bO4cWgc
Vladimir Putin: Russia's border 'doesn't end anywhere'

CNN


Published on Nov 24, 2016
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said Russia's border "doesn't end
anywhere", addressing a televised awards ceremony for geography
students.

He asked a nine-year-old boy where Russia's border ended and the boy
replied "at the Bering Strait". Mr Putin provided his own answer,
which he then said was meant as a joke.

Mr Putin has pledged to defend ethnic Russians wherever they live.


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Russia's border doesn't end anywhere,
Vladimir Putin says


24 November 2016
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38093468
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said Russia's border
"doesn't end anywhere", addressing a televised awards ceremony
for geography students.

"That was a joke," Mr Putin said amid applause and laughter
from the audience at the glitzy ceremony.

He was asking a nine-year-old boy: "Where does Russia's border end?"
The boy had said "at the Bering Strait". Mr Putin then provided his own
answer.

Mr Putin has pledged to defend ethnic Russians wherever they live.

In July 2014, three months after Russian troops annexed Ukraine's
Crimea peninsula, he spelled out his doctrine to Russian ambassadors.

"I would like to make it clear to all: our country will continue to actively
defend the rights of Russians, our compatriots abroad, using the entire
range of available means - from political and economic to operations
under international humanitarian law and the right of self-defence."

Nato and Western leaders accuse the Kremlin of sending regular troops
and heavy weapons to pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine.
The Kremlin has repeatedly denied that, insisting that any Russian
troops there are "volunteers".

Just before his comment about Russia's border, President Putin
asked five-year-old Timofey Tsoi to name the country whose capital
is Ouagadougou.

Timofey correctly answered "Burkina Faso", but struggled when
asked what the country's old name was. Mr Putin helped him out,
saying: "Upper Volta! Good lad!"

In its dying days, the Soviet Union was sardonically described as
"Upper Volta with rockets".

Both boys had distinguished themselves in televised geography quizzes.
The ceremony was staged by the Russian Geographical Society.
 
Yeah, something like this was posted in one of the several war threads this summer. Wonder why it keeps getting redone.
 
Pravda's side of the story:


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Putin speaks the truth and shames the devil:
'Russian border ends nowhere'


25.11.2016
http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/kremlin/25-11-2016/136262-putin_russian_border-0/


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On November 24, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that "Russian
border ends nowhere." When awarding the prize of the Russian
Geographical Society one of the nominations, Vladimir Putin conducted
a mini-exam in geography for five-year-old erudite Timofei Tsoi
and nine-year-old Miroslav Askirko.

The boys became famous for their unusual knowledge of geography
that amazed many people. The boys took part in several TV shows,
in which Timofei and Miroslav would name capitals and borders
of "exotic" countries.

Putin decided to personally check the knowledge of the boys.
"Ouagadougou is the capital of which country?" Putin asked five-year-old
Timofei. "Burkina Faso," he immediately answered. The President then
said: "What was the previous name of the country?" The boy stumbled
and said "Upper...I can't remember exactly." "Upper Volta, well done!"
Putin helped him.

"I know all boundaries, contours of countries and their capitals,"
nine-year-old Miroslav told Putin. "Where does the border of Russia
end?" asked Putin. "The Russian border ends on the Bering Strait,"
the boy replied. "Wrong, the Russian border ends nowhere," Putin said
with a smile to the applause of the audience.

"That was a joke," he later added.

Putin's remarks about Russian borders will most likely add more fuel
to the fire of the anti-Russian hysteria. Earlier, for example, Polish
general Roman Polko, the former head of the military unit GROM
and former deputy head of the National Security Bureau announced
the imminent "Russian invasion" in the Baltic States "in the near future."

"There are plenty of provocations, so it is possible that in the next
few months, Russia will attack under the artificially invented pretext,"
Polko said, according to Polish publication Interia.

Like many before him, the Polish general believes that Russia may
attack the Baltic States
"to protect the interests of the Russian minority"
in Lithuania or Estonia.

"We accuse the United States and NATO of double standards in politics.

Stoltenberg - the NATO chief - says that the alliance is not going to wage
war with Russia. At the same time, they execute orders from Washington
about the military buildup, because one has to show Russia's aggressiveness.

Of course, common people in the West immediately think that a threat
from Russia is real, because Russia increases its military potential.
Yet, NATO needs to use tax-payers' money for this purpose, so they
launch another wave of anti-Russian hysteria in the media.

This is how double standards work," Doctor of Political Sciences,
Professor, Head of the Department of Political Science and Sociology
of the Russian Economic University, Andrei Koshkin, told Pravda.Ru.

According to chief editor of Katehon Analytical Center, Leonid Savin,
the panic around the alleged "Russian aggression" is a consequence
of the wish of defense enterprises to make as much money as possible.

The military-industrial complex of the West uses lobbyists in the media
and politics not to let the authorities cut military spending.

Vladimir Putin said during the meeting with employees of Avtodiesel
Company in Yaroslavl that Russia did not threaten anyone.

"We are not threatening anyone, we are not going to threaten anyone.
Everyone knows that we are the largest country in the world, and we
need to reliably ensure the security of our own country and people.
Our army can do it, so we will be developing it further," Putin said.

 

MountainBiker

Veteran Member
I thought it was very well done, but acknowledge it is but one of many many possible scenarios.

These kinds of dramatizations serve as good food for thought, though they always leave me wishing I knew the answer.

I'm pretty well situated, and so my focus is mostly on my daughter and her family about 14 hours from here. They're in your typical picture perfect upscale suburban setting that is definitely not where you want to be when the SHTF. Too many people in the metro area and a double nuke plant only 9 miles from their home. Their world is full of rainbows, puppy dogs, and unicorns. They don't see what we see here and so I assume I'll get to ask/beg them to head my way only once. I've got to call it right the first time and I've got to call it a day before it all falls apart and long distance travel by car is no longer an option. I wish I knew the answer.
 

joekan

Veteran Member
MountainBiker,
I hear what your saying about you family being far away. I would love to have 24 hour notice before the stuff hits the fan to get everyone home but I don't think very many people are privy to that.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
I thought it was very well done, but acknowledge it is but one of many many possible scenarios.

These kinds of dramatizations serve as good food for thought, though they always leave me wishing I knew the answer.

I'm pretty well situated, and so my focus is mostly on my daughter and her family about 14 hours from here. They're in your typical picture perfect upscale suburban setting that is definitely not where you want to be when the SHTF. Too many people in the metro area and a double nuke plant only 9 miles from their home. Their world is full of rainbows, puppy dogs, and unicorns. They don't see what we see here and so I assume I'll get to ask/beg them to head my way only once. I've got to call it right the first time and I've got to call it a day before it all falls apart and long distance travel by car is no longer an option. I wish I knew the answer.

I've struggled with these same issues - both of my kids are awake and aware enough to know that Orlando is NOT the place to be when SHTF - but they have homes and excellent jobs and there is other extended family there - as well as their mother (my x wife) with a strong hold on the grand kids. sadly those fools all have a REAL unicorn and rainbows view point.

I'm ready for the kids and grand kids, but it will take a day's lead time to get out of there for the 10 hr drive here. Although I Pray that we have enough of a heads up for that to happen, the reality is that neither you nor I will be that fortunate Mountain Biker.
 

changed

Preferred pronouns: dude/bro
:dot5: The following story is true, and NOT a simulation:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-279bO4cWgc
Vladimir Putin: Russia's border 'doesn't end anywhere'

CNN


Published on Nov 24, 2016
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said Russia's border "doesn't end
anywhere", addressing a televised awards ceremony for geography
students.

He asked a nine-year-old boy where Russia's border ended and the boy
replied "at the Bering Strait". Mr Putin provided his own answer,
which he then said was meant as a joke.

Mr Putin has pledged to defend ethnic Russians wherever they live.


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bbc-blocks-dark.png


Russia's border doesn't end anywhere,
Vladimir Putin says


24 November 2016
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38093468
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said Russia's border
"doesn't end anywhere", addressing a televised awards ceremony
for geography students.

"That was a joke," Mr Putin said amid applause and laughter
from the audience at the glitzy ceremony.

He was asking a nine-year-old boy: "Where does Russia's border end?"
The boy had said "at the Bering Strait". Mr Putin then provided his own
answer.

Mr Putin has pledged to defend ethnic Russians wherever they live.

In July 2014, three months after Russian troops annexed Ukraine's
Crimea peninsula, he spelled out his doctrine to Russian ambassadors.

"I would like to make it clear to all: our country will continue to actively
defend the rights of Russians, our compatriots abroad, using the entire
range of available means - from political and economic to operations
under international humanitarian law and the right of self-defence."

Nato and Western leaders accuse the Kremlin of sending regular troops
and heavy weapons to pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine.
The Kremlin has repeatedly denied that, insisting that any Russian
troops there are "volunteers".

Just before his comment about Russia's border, President Putin
asked five-year-old Timofey Tsoi to name the country whose capital
is Ouagadougou.

Timofey correctly answered "Burkina Faso", but struggled when
asked what the country's old name was. Mr Putin helped him out,
saying: "Upper Volta! Good lad!"

In its dying days, the Soviet Union was sardonically described as
"Upper Volta with rockets".

Both boys had distinguished themselves in televised geography quizzes.
The ceremony was staged by the Russian Geographical Society.

I'll bet it ends where China's starts.....
 

Doomer Doug

Deceased
The original one was from July of 2016. They promised an update in September. This is that update. This one is about 20 minutes longer than the original one. It also shifts the original naval battle from off the coast of Syria to the Baltic Sea. It is also is significantly updated with a few things, like President Elect Trump is mentioned and the new Muslim Mayor of London is mentioned here.
Many of the news clips are the same and the same use of file footage is widespread. Another new part was Turkey's refusal to allow NATO airplanes to use their air space. It also expanded the actual war into more countries like Hungary and Finland.

I think it is about the best result you can get using file footage, selected commentary and other things. It builds the suspense very well and gives the feeling of an expanding crisis now totally out of control. I think the actual onset of a nuclear war would very likely pretty much follow this scenario and play out like it did in this fictional video.
On the actual webpge the earlier one is listed so you can compare them if you want. It is 35 minutes or so long.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
MountainBiker,
I hear what your saying about you family being far away. I would love to have 24 hour notice before the stuff hits the fan to get everyone home but I don't think very many people are privy to that.


everyday people won't have a chance of any forewarning of this kind of surprise Russian attack - but the powers-to-be would have some advanced notice - nobody gets away with an attack of that magnitude, involving conventional forces, without tipping their hand - that's exactly why "war games" are watched soooo fricking suspiciously ....
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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Here is a good example of how things can get out of control, ripped from the pages of today's headlines.

Fair Use Cited
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Russia protests planned Ukraine missile training over Crimea

Nov. 25, 2016 3:21 PM EST

MOSCOW (AP) — Russia's defense ministry on Friday presented the Ukrainian military attaché with a note of protest in reaction to Ukraine's plans to conduct training launches of missiles over Crimea next week.

Russian aviation officials said earlier on Friday that Ukraine had informed them of the upcoming launches over Crimea. Russia has been in control of the Ukrainian peninsula since it annexed it in March 2014 after a hastily called referendum.

The Russian defense ministry said in a statement that the note handed to the Ukrainian attaché says that Russia protests the missile exercises scheduled for Dec. 1 and Dec. 2 because the airspace of the planned launches, over Crimea's west coast, "violates territorial seas of the Russian Federation."

In Kiev, Oleksandr Turchynov, chairman of the Ukrainian Security and Defense Council, said late Friday that Ukraine is not planning to conduct the training launches over the Kerch Strait, which separates Russia and Crimea.

But Turchynov added that Ukraine is free to conduct military maneuvers anywhere in its airspace, including Crimea.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0549...rotests-ukraines-missile-training-over-crimea
 

Doomer Doug

Deceased
This is also in the context of the kidnapping of two Russian soldiers in the Crimea, stated by the Russians to be done by the Ukraine. I am wondering if there will be an "accidental" launch of a few S-400 anti-aircraft missiles about the same time as the Ukrainian missiles overfly the Crimea? <G>

Porky the Warmonger must be feeling his oats with all the NATO and US logistics and training support. He apparently hasn't figured out Russia could invade from the east from Russia, and from the north via ByeloRussia and be in Kiev in less than 72 hours.

The Ukraine is Putin's for the taking anytime he gets mad enough to risk a confrontation with NATO. The Russians are also extremely angry about the Aegis missile launch base in Romania too.

The BBC video is surprisingly accurate in its basic assumptions about how a potential war between Russia and NATO would play out in real time.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
SIMULATION - BBC Live Breaking News, Nuclear Weapons Exchange Between Russia and NATO

Would of been a lot more concerning and plausible if Hillary had won the election. Tensions with Russia are going to ease tremendously after Trump gets in.
 
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MountainBiker

Veteran Member
joekanwrote:
MountainBiker,
I hear what your saying about you family being far away. I would love to have 24 hour notice before the stuff hits the fan to get everyone home but I don't think very many people are privy to that.
I've struggled with these same issues - both of my kids are awake and aware enough to know that Orlando is NOT the place to be when SHTF - but they have homes and excellent jobs and there is other extended family there - as well as their mother (my x wife) with a strong hold on the grand kids. sadly those fools all have a REAL unicorn and rainbows view point.

I'm ready for the kids and grand kids, but it will take a day's lead time to get out of there for the 10 hr drive here. Although I Pray that we have enough of a heads up for that to happen, the reality is that neither you nor I will be that fortunate Mountain Biker.

This is my fear, that you are both right. When they are up here visiting I have even found myself thinking "if its going to happen, let it be now when they are here with us". The kids are 2 and 4.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I was a very bad boy

Our friend (and board member) Jimbopithecus, drove in from Texas for Thanksgiving. Jim and I have a tradition of playing sometimes elaborate practical jokes. The day he arrived, another friend, Ken, called and I invited him up to have dinner with all of us. Jim, Ken and I are all sixtyish. Ken and Jim had never met.

When I heard Ken pull up in the driveway, I had an inspiration; I told Jim, "Ken is very hard of hearing and he's extremely sensitive about it. Make sure you speak to him just below the level of a shout."

So then I quickly went outside and told Ken, "Jim is extremely hard of hearing and he's very sensitive about it. Be sure you speak to him VERY loudly."

Needless to say, I listened to them screaming at each other for about five minutes - while barely able to avoid busting a gut - and watched DW (who was in on the joke) going into contortions and hiding her face to avoid them seeing her laughing, before letting them in on the gag ;-)

So last night I saw this thread and followed the link to the YouTube page. Though the vid is clearly marked "fiction" I realized that if I enlarged it to full screen, the fiction disclaimer was hidden (insert evil grin). Did I mention that we always talk politics and world events and had just happened to have been discussing the election, Russia, etc.?

I just innocently left the video up, with the volume turned rather high and let events take their course. Jim and DW became progressively more agitated as they listened to the vid and Jim started looking at other sites - including TB2K - to find confirmation. I offered, "This is breaking news, man. I doubt if anyone else has heard it yet!" Just then, Jim went to another friend's site, frantically looking for more information/confirmation and as fate would have it, our buddy's site chose that exact moment to crash. I intoned ominously, "That's how I'd expect it to start. By morning I doubt if we'll have an internet!"

I was scrambling to come up with additional reasons why Jim couldn't find any confirmation when he went to the actual BBC home page and said, "I'm at the BBC home page and don't see anything about the war yet."

I gamely explained, "It's disinformation, Jim. Cyber war, man. Once the nukes start flying you can't believe anything you see!"

It was becoming harder and harder to maintain the ruse, as a half-hour ot 45 minutes had gone by and Jim - of course - couldn't find any confirmation that we were engulfed in a nuclear war. So finally I said, "Come see this" and exited the full screen mode. Then the "fiction" disclaimer came into view. To say Jim was not a happy man would be an understatement. A little later he was laughing his butt off too.


Best regards
Doc
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Hf,

You are cordially invited to our next Thanksgiving dinner!

Best regards
Doc
 

vestige

Deceased
I thought it was very well done, but acknowledge it is but one of many many possible scenarios.

These kinds of dramatizations serve as good food for thought, though they always leave me wishing I knew the answer.

I'm pretty well situated, and so my focus is mostly on my daughter and her family about 14 hours from here. They're in your typical picture perfect upscale suburban setting that is definitely not where you want to be when the SHTF. Too many people in the metro area and a double nuke plant only 9 miles from their home. Their world is full of rainbows, puppy dogs, and unicorns. They don't see what we see here and so I assume I'll get to ask/beg them to head my way only once. I've got to call it right the first time and I've got to call it a day before it all falls apart and long distance travel by car is no longer an option. I wish I knew the answer.

This is my fear, that you are both right. When they are up here visiting I have even found myself thinking "if its going to happen, let it be now when they are here with us". The kids are 2 and 4.


If it is any consolation...

you are not alone in having such thoughts.
 

Doomer Doug

Deceased
Doc1, that kind of practical joke can get you shot by certain people who don't share your warped sense of humor.<G>

I wonder what would have happened if CNN, instead of playing the transexual<seriously>porn tape had played this tape instead. OH, BOY THE BOSTON LIBERALS WOULD HAVE GONE NUTS.

Doc1, now that would be a Doomer Doug type practical joke.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Doug, as a general rule, if they don't appreciate my warped sense of humor I don't take them as friends ;-)

Best regards
Doc
 

Jimbopithecus

Deceased
with friends like Doc and Doug, you don't need enemies! LOL! He got me good! I was freaked out wondering how I was going to get home! ROFLMAO!!!
 

AlfaMan

We're all Devo!
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I saw this yesterday, and held off playing it until tonight, when I had more time to liste. It started well enough until I dozed off. It woke me up at the point where Beale got taken out....guaranteed-NOT the best way to wake up after dozing off! Probably one of the most plausible scenarios I've heard-the visuals were a plus. With a little luck my heart will slow back down at some point...
 
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